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Romang67
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Could draft Caleb Williams and just have him earn the spot over Fields. If Fields plays well and loses his spot, it's not like his trade value is tanked. If Caleb isn't ready, he sits behind Fields until he is.
We're still looking at another fairly high pick, barring a miraculous improvement given the start to the season and the fact that half the team is injured, so could still draft someone like Alt to improve the O-line.
Romang67
BitterSwede
Someone asked about Dexter and Pickens during the game. Dexter was in on 47% of defensive snaps, and had the team's second highest PFF grade. Pickens is looking like a project at best at this point. But I think that was people's take during the draft too. Right now he's a bad run defender, and a penetrating pass rusher who's not getting penetration.
If Fields plays the rest of the year like he has the last two games then yes, it would be very easy to pass on Williams. I am definitely higher on Fields than I am Williams.
A WR feels like a luxury item for a team that has more pressing needs. If you cannot protect Fields, then whats the point of having Marvin Harrison, Jr? I'd be happy to have MHJ, but the Bears do have more pressing needs. Build you damn lines before you start to acquire skill players.
As for trading down idea from another poster...that was needed last year but I believe the Bears need quality over quantity this year. That's why the Bears should keep both 1sts.
Cubs2024wildcard
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Would be like taking Reinbacher over Bedard if Harrison was on the board.
There is no such "pressing need" more important then elite talent.
Marvin Harrison Jr's don't come out every year.
TLEH
Pronounced T-Lay
I am not higher on Fields than Caleb Williams personally.
Better arm talent. Better use of the pocket. Throws with anticipation when having time in the pocket. All things JF never did in college.
Now Fields bigger and stronger and faster but Caleb can still make plays off schedule with the best of them, just can't quite move like JF on the run. (But who can).
Romang67
BitterSwede
Williams's arm talent is insane. He's making passes with his arm at angles that I'm not sure anyone in the NFL except for Mahomes can do.
I also think, though I don't have the data so I can't confirm this, that his "long time-to-throw" comes down largely to poor statistical understanding. His mean throw time is high because he has time when he navigates the pocket forever until the play opens up, but his quick throws so far this season are really good. I suspect we'll see it more as USC starts playing better teams.
TLEH
Pronounced T-Lay
Romang67
BitterSwede
Claypool is gone. To the Dolphins with the Bears 2025 7th rounder for the Dolphins 2025 6th rounder.
There's so many moving parts into that decision. Can Caleb be as good, or better than Fields? Drafting C Williams re-sets the rookie contract status of your QB; possibly saving $40 mil+. What could you spend that money on. What could you get for trading Fields; a first or second, multiple picks? Could you draft an O or D lineman with that extra draft capital...... Potentially difficult future decisions have a way of becoming much easier to make as time moves on. I'd expect the answer to be obvious by April 2024.
No Fun Shogun
34-38-61-10-13-15
Getting literally anything for Claypool makes this a damn good trade.
But holy shit, was the trade to get him godawful. We turned a 32nd overall and a 7th rounder into a 6th rounder. Whoop-de-doo.
But that's the past. The Bears are better today than they were yesterday.
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Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
The Claypool trade is one of the worst in Bears history
Not Rick Mirer or Mike Phipps level which are probably the two worst but its a good contender for top 5
Not Rick Mirer or Mike Phipps level which are probably the two worst but its a good contender for top 5
I just think Justin can do more things on the field than Caleb. I just prefer Justin Fields. Does Fields need more polishing as a player, yes, but his upside is significantly higher than Williams, imo. Williams is more likely to hit his ceiling, though.
Oh and thank goodness that diva is going to Miami.
Which is why I hope Fields balls out the rest of the year and convinces the Bears to pass on Williams.
clydesdale line
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Good riddance to that bum. One of the worst Bears WR I've ever seen. Not because of talent, there hasn't many that have come across as talented as Claypool. Not because of not catching the ball consistently because there have been much worse WR that have come across worse than Claypool. But there's not a single receiver past or present that was those things plus lazy, plus gives up on plays, plus was entitled like Claypool was.
Caleb Williams might grade out to be the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. People saying they'd pass over that for Fields, who up until the last 2 games (one of which was against a historically bad defense) has not had a good career outside of his running ability, are insane. It'd be great if Fields plays solid for the rest of the season so we could get a good draft pick from trading him, but basically under no circumstances outside of him becoming a top 5 QB for the rest of the year do you keep him over Williams.
Blackhawkswincup
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ClydeLee
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Cubs2024wildcard
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The Bears traded Ditka, the Trubisky blunder, trading away Mack and Raquon, and people say the Claypool trade was one of the worst?
Hell oh Hell
Hell oh Hell
I really hope the Bears did not end up with the #1 pick (either their own pick or Car's). I rather see it through with Fields than to start over with Caleb Williams.
Outsider NFL fan. But, when Fields does the zone read, does he normally take the hits he took vs Washington? He gain like under 4 yards on multiple zone reads. I mean, if that's all you can get, probably best to go down or at least angle yourself to get tackled softer.
Seen plenty of Russ, Kyler, even Kaep, and Jackson avoid the kind of hits Fields took yesterday when they do/did their zone reads. Guy isn't going to last physically, similar to Cam taking big hits.
Both those trades were fine. We're tanking, having great defensive vets doesn't help this team out at all.
belfour30
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They probably won't. Fields continues to play well and they'll win some games, and I'd be shocked if the Bears ended up #1 from either team.
Arizona, the Giants, Denver and New Orleans are all pretty bad.
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EbonyRaptor
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I didn't watch the Bears last night because I watched the Hawks but I watched the highlights and Tim Jennings breakdown of Fields game and he no doubt played better than the first few games of the season - BUT - he still missed seeing and reacting to plays that the best QB's make. Comparing him to Mahomes or Allen or one of the other top QB's is probably not fair - but isn't that the bar we want him to reach? Is being in the top-10 to top-15 good enough? After the entire 100+ year Bears history of QB ineptitude are we really going to settle for "pretty good, sometimes"?
If Fields balls out like this for the rest of the season - then hallelujah we've found our savior - otherwise if it's a good game here and there against poor teams and struggles against good teams - then sign me up for moving past Fields and continuing the search for the holy grail we all hope is out there somewhere.
If Fields balls out like this for the rest of the season - then hallelujah we've found our savior - otherwise if it's a good game here and there against poor teams and struggles against good teams - then sign me up for moving past Fields and continuing the search for the holy grail we all hope is out there somewhere.
Ace Rothstein
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Saw a tweet that said Washington dropped back 55 straight times, starting at about midway in the 2ndQ. To start doing that so early in the game is crazy, even for them being down as much as they were.
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