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MarotteMarauder

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If the rest of the year goes down the toilet I doubt Justin and the bears will want to stay together in any fashion.
May be true but does he really want to follow the Trubisky trajectory and bounce around as a backup? Because right now through 27 starts, Mitch was better.
 
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It's just amazing to me what a dumpster fire this organization is. I don't trust them to develop any players. Is it the Bears drafting the wrong players, or their total ineptitude at developing them? I'm of the opinion that, had the Bears drafted Mahomes, they would have ruined him... I'm at the same point with the Bears that I am with the Sox. I don't trust them to do anything, or have a competitive organization at any point in my lifetime.
 
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ClydeLee

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The much talked about "Improved D"

- 1 sack in 3 games
- No INT or FR
They had 2 interceptions yesterday.

Who was saying they had a new improved D? Much talked about? I dont get things like that, but don't follow much NFL news. They run a system that lives and dies with the dline. We knew they had nothing at the dline going in. DTs rarely impact as rookies. They added nothing significant to the DEs. They were always gonna be bad. But it didn't matter if the offense progressed.
 

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They had 2 interceptions yesterday.

Who was saying they had a new improved D? Much talked about? I dont get things like that, but don't follow much NFL news. They run a system that lives and dies with the dline. We knew they had nothing at the dline going in. DTs rarely impact as rookies. They added nothing significant to the DEs. They were always gonna be bad. But it didn't matter if the offense progressed.

I dont really care to consider pure garbage time INT's off backup down 40+ pts as legit
 

Sarava

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Oh bullshit

If he wasn't supportive then he wouldn't have taken job

This idea that Poles is some victim in this is absurd

Clean house
If you remember back, we all thought it was weird how they were interviewing head coach and GM candidates at the same time. Clearly Poles was ok with Flus being hired, but that doesn't mean he would have been his choice if he led the search and made the final decision.

Now - I'm not saying Poles won't fail eventually. Because there's been some questionable moves. And one of them might eventually be people saying they should have taken CJ Stroud at #1 instead of trading down and keeping Fields. But in reality, pretty much no Bear fan was calling for that to happen at the time.

However, he came in and said he was cleaning house. Total rebuild. Burn that shit down. We are one season + 3 games in to him cleaning house. Nobody in this world could rebuild in this short amount of time. Especially since he didn't even have a first round draft pick in his first draft.

He hasnt even really started on building the lines, other than drafting Darnell Wright. Who I think is on track to being a good tackle.

I mean, if you want to fire Poles, then sure go for it. But he hasn't even had a chance to succeed yet.

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As for Justin Fields - he's facing a horrific defense this week. If he doesn't light shit up this week, the Tyson Bagent should start week 5 against Washington.
 

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So now there's the Tyrique Stevenson neck-or-concussion controversy that the H.I.T.S.-principled CEO-style HC doesn't know?
 
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Toews2Bickell

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Good for him, still did not want him.
Didn't want to trade down to 9 for an unprotected first from a terrible team and still end up with the consensus #1 talent in the draft, interesting...if one of the smartest teams in the league wants your pick to take said player then maybe you're wrong in your legal analysis in Poles shoes, glad they put out that tweet fist bumping a likely worthless 4th in next year draft to make that trade
 

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Didn't want to trade down to 9 for an unprotected first from a terrible team and still end up with the consensus #1 talent in the draft, interesting...if one of the smartest teams in the league wants your pick to take said player then maybe you're wrong in your legal analysis in Poles shoes, glad they put out that tweet fist bumping a likely worthless 4th in next year draft to make that trade
Don't care. Dude still has Albert Haynesworth vibes and he will do something stupid and the Bears fans that wanted him are going to be glad he is not a Bear.
 

Toews2Bickell

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Don't care. Dude still has Albert Haynesworth vibes and he will do something stupid and the Bears fans that wanted him are going to be glad he is not a Bear.
perpetual losing franchise trade pick to one of the best in the league and some bears fans think they made the right call, imagine
 

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perpetual losing franchise trade pick to one of the best in the league and some bears fans think they made the right call, imagine
Every draft you can find a player or two the Bears SHOULD have drafted but they passed on. I mean hell, the Bears once
took Paul Edinger and Frank Walker in the same round that saw the Patriots take Tom Brady. And so on and so. It's tireseome to hear Bears fans whine about taking Curtis Enis instead of Randy Moss, or not taking Mahomes, or passing on Carter. There is NOTHING any fan can do about it, just move on.
 

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Every draft you can find a player or two the Bears SHOULD have drafted but they passed on. I mean hell, the Bears once
took Paul Edinger and Frank Walker in the same round that saw the Patriots take Tom Brady. And so on and so. It's tireseome to hear Bears fans whine about taking Curtis Enis instead of Randy Moss, or not taking Mahomes, or passing on Carter. There is NOTHING any fan can do about it, just move on.
In an alternate universe where the Bears drafted Tom Brady in the sixth round, he would have spent the last twenty years selling insurance.
 

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The Bears could have used the 9th pick on the best player in the draft, Jalen Carter.
 

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Why does everything have to be binary with these meathead pundits or fans? Is Poles the GM merely a puppet to Eberflus the HC? Why can't they both be responsible for this record-setting poor performance? Same with the "is it Fields or the coaching/talent surrounding him?" argument.
 

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The next GM must not be so obsessed by certain physical attributes of the type of players acquired. Look how many times "long" or "length" was brought up in discussing these 2023 draft picks. They said "So long." to Roquan Smith and James Daniels because of their lack of "length" sugarcoated with layers of lack of "fit"/ball production/value v. contract demands. Initially it was assumed Jack Sanborn was the low-cost replacement for Smith. Yippee! But then in the off-season, they signed Tremain Edmunds who has had even less ball production than Smith, at a mere 2mil/yr in discount, because "Oh look, 6'5! So long. So much length!" so must assume increased ball production in the Poles+Eberflus tapemeasure-based "scheme". In similar veins, they brought in Lucas Patrick, Nate Davis, and the ilk, at a combined 15+mil/yr, just so they could feel superior to having alligator-armed Daniels as the only stabilizing member of the interior OL, on-field availability and number of sacks given up be damnned (Daniels yielded ZERO in the entire 2022 season per pff.com).
 
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