Canadian Prime Minister comments on the situation:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/629840
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/629840
Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
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Yes, but the EU - Spain, Portugal and Italy is a heck of a lot more powerful than Canada + the northeastern united states.
Evil Doctor
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If you reread what I said, I already nullified your statement. They should worry about alienating that kind of customer, because like any business, it's the quickest way to them no longer being a customer, and thus you no longer being in business.
Now I haven't turned off completely from hockey, I still watched the World Jrs. and the Worlds (er.. Russia 3, Belarus 3? WTF?), I haven't been to a Bulldogs game this year for but reasons other than a lack of interest and I occasionally still watch a period or so of NHL games, and if Vancouver stays in the playoffs, I might actually watch a full game once the season ends for most of the television series out there. But it's an example of me drifting away from the game, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. This news regarding Phoenix has reignited my interest, and the question is will the NHL try to sustain it, or will it once again show it doesn't care about me...?
BobbyClarkeFan16
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Still lots of franchises left that make big bucks and generate lots. If anything, this division would set the standard in terms of rivalries, etc.....I think it could be a dynamite division.
Still think there's lots of good teams left in the west. You'd still have Anaheim, San Jose, Vancouver, Chicago. As well, you know Dallas is going to rebound after this season, Los Angeles is on the way back up, Colorado will straighten out. So, it's not as if the west won't have any heavy hitters.
Personally, I think they should just scrap the divisions and go back to the format in which the top 16 teams make the playoffs. That's the only fair way that a franchise can make the playoffs.
can we expect a remark from the american president?
hockey is so big here the prime minister even comments on it.
Neil Patrick Harris
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The Phoenix Coyotes, coached and partly owned by Waykne Gretzky, were placed into bankruptcy yesterday after months of teetering on the edge of insolvency.
Evil Doctor
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Well the Peace Bridge has only three lanes and should have be twinned years ago, hint, hint....
However the only time we consider going to a Sabres game is when we're on the I-190 and we're passing the HSBC arena on the way to the Walden Gallaria. Certainly not from effort from the Sabres managment at market branding on this side of the border...
Are the Sabres tickets really that cheap?
I don't think you will be able to convince me of that, perhaps 20 years ago it was true, but it seems like the Sabres have done good job growing the base Stateside to make up the Canadian shortfall, besides it doesn't have to be an either/or, I suspect there will be a lot of fans of all three.
I think the NHL BOGs now have a very interesting decision.
When Balsillie made his bid for the Predators, he had very little leverage. The goals of the city of Nashville and the league were very much alligned, the economy was in good shape, there were a number of people who were capable and interested in owning an NHL team. Gary just went out and found another owner(s), one of whom was a fraud.
This time, the NHL still holds the cards, but Balsillie has much more leverage. The bankruptcy proceedings take the city of Glendale and the lease penalty out of the picture. There is no line up of billionaires anymore looking for a vanity sports franchise. The BOGs are now faced with a "lesser of evils" choice. As a creditor, the NHL could take over the team and try to convince the bankruptcy court that the Balsillie offer is a non-starter. But then the BOGs are left operating a losing team in a poor market and a bad economy with no "white knight" in sight. Or they could open up negotiations withthe devil Balsillie.
When Balsillie made his bid for the Predators, he had very little leverage. The goals of the city of Nashville and the league were very much alligned, the economy was in good shape, there were a number of people who were capable and interested in owning an NHL team. Gary just went out and found another owner(s), one of whom was a fraud.
This time, the NHL still holds the cards, but Balsillie has much more leverage. The bankruptcy proceedings take the city of Glendale and the lease penalty out of the picture. There is no line up of billionaires anymore looking for a vanity sports franchise. The BOGs are now faced with a "lesser of evils" choice. As a creditor, the NHL could take over the team and try to convince the bankruptcy court that the Balsillie offer is a non-starter. But then the BOGs are left operating a losing team in a poor market and a bad economy with no "white knight" in sight. Or they could open up negotiations with
Evil Doctor
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Well to be fair, as a hobby, he is a hockey historian and has been working on a book about the history of hockey for sometime (and for obvious reasons, he hasn't been able to devote the time to it to properly finish it.)
Evil Doctor
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Reminds me of his Rangers jersey that was spelt Gretkzy
kdb209
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HUH?????????????????????????????????????
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/olympichockey/a/olympic_medals.htm
I don't believe Spain has ever even fielded an ICE hockey team.
I think you have Field Hockey (Summer Olympics) mixed up with Ice Hockey (Winter Olympics) - two completerly different sports - but thanks for playing.
bishop12
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The NHL baffles me sometimes on the business side of things. Yes, I get the fact they want to farm hockey across the States...but is one more Canadian team going to hurt that? Hockey in general in the US isn't a fit, let alone, in a brand new HOT city like Phoenix. Give up and move it to Hamilton already.
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kdb209
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Nope. When the 'Yotes moved in '96, the NHL was still in the middle of it's $31M/yr deal with FOX (The first real US network deal the league had since Peter Puck in the 70's). The 5yr/$600M deal with ABC/ESPN didn't come until 1999 - after the Jets, Nordiques, and Whalers moved, broadening the league's US footprint.
How will he get the sufficient votes from the BOG to move the team?
The Canadian teams don't want another team in Canada because that means that they will get less national coverage especially on HNIC.
Nashville, Pittsburgh and Minnesota will not vote for him due to past history.
Buffalo and Detroit will not vote for him.
The southern US teams may just say screw you to Balsillie and his Canadian dreams.
That's 12-14 votes down the drain.
Good Luck.
The Canadian teams don't want another team in Canada because that means that they will get less national coverage especially on HNIC.
Nashville, Pittsburgh and Minnesota will not vote for him due to past history.
Buffalo and Detroit will not vote for him.
The southern US teams may just say screw you to Balsillie and his Canadian dreams.
That's 12-14 votes down the drain.
Good Luck.
SuperDave21
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How do you know? Do you live in Arizona? Do you even follow the Coyotes? If you said no to all of those questions, then you have absolutely NO right to say anything. What you stated was opinion, not fact. Just because our team has been bad for 6-7 years does not mean that the sport of hockey isn't working in Arizona. That's completely biased and ignorant.
It seems to me that everyone has a prenotion that Arizona is still some wild west cowboy town, where the big city lights are scary to us "town folk." By golly we's just lucky enough to have ourselves one of them baseball teams down in the ol' OK Corral huh?
Instead of making assumptions, come down to Phoenix and see for yourself how hockey is thriving here. Come to our rinks and see people standing around, discussing the playoffs or other hockey news. A few years ago, our Pee-Wee A team went down and kicked the snot out of kids during the Silver Stick competitions and ended up winning it all. So, why does everyone not from the Southwest see Arizona as a non-hockey market? It's biased and wrong.
Hockey fans should be rooting for us, not asking us to leave. Without us, the NHL's market shrinks. That's a fact. Moving the team to Canada does not allow growth within the league! Stop assuming that! People living in Hamilton are already hockey fans, so giving them a team only makes them fans of that team instead of Toronto or Buffalo or whoever. The NHL does not gain fans with the Coyotes moving from Phoenix, it only loses fans. Moving the team to Canada is a lateral move at best and you people wonder why the NHL is stepping in to try and save our franchise? Really? Next time you have a thought about our team, just let it go.
Westlander
the olden time
It simply doesn't matter, as someone else mentioned hockey is an afterthought in most of those countries. There may come a time when Germany-East + Scandinavia establish a league which would compete in a meaningful way with the NHL, but we're no where near that point now. Lets have this discussion again in 10 or 15 years.
Evil Doctor
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http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/171/IHM1710ESP_32E_4_0.pdf
They play in what is call Division IIB with such hockey super powers as Mexico and South Africa, and apparently they even have their own league.
Germany-east and Scandanavia could have a unified effort together within the next 2-3 years. From there you've got a base to expand into western europe. Hockey is an afterthought in the United States already; and if its not even a national game than it'll become more of an afterthought.
MayDay
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Stop making rational arguments!
This isn't about rationality to most of the people here. This is about vindictiveness and spite. It's common knowledge north of the border that Phoenix cruelly "stole" their team from the poor fans of Winnipeg. Watching the team move back to Canada would be the ultimate revenge.
I am convinced that a lot of people are not interested in what's best for the league, let alone "growing the game." They just want retribution for the loss of the Jets and Nordiques, the bitterness over which has just been festering for a decade.
Evil Doctor
Cryin' Hank crying
So I missed by a couple of years, but it does reinforce my point. They had their footprint, they had their contract, how did that work out?
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mouser
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Would there be a distinction between control of the franchise and control of the corporate entity holding the franchise?
i.e. Moyes' holding company that owns the Coyotes franchise filed for bankruptcy. Is the NHL assuming control of only the franchise or the franchise+the holding company? If it's the former then that would suggest the NHL wouldn't have authority to revoke the bankruptcy filing by the holding company?
bishop12
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How do you know? Do you live in Arizona? Do you even follow the Coyotes? If you said no to all of those questions, then you have absolutely NO right to say anything. What you stated was opinion, not fact. Just because our team has been bad for 6-7 years does not mean that the sport of hockey isn't working in Arizona. That's completely biased and ignorant.
It seems to me that everyone has a prenotion that Arizona is still some wild west cowboy town, where the big city lights are scary to us "town folk." By golly we's just lucky enough to have ourselves one of them baseball teams down in the ol' OK Corral huh?
Instead of making assumptions, come down to Phoenix and see for yourself how hockey is thriving here. Come to our rinks and see people standing around, discussing the playoffs or other hockey news. A few years ago, our Pee-Wee A team went down and kicked the snot out of kids during the Silver Stick competitions and ended up winning it all. So, why does everyone not from the Southwest see Arizona as a non-hockey market? It's biased and wrong.
Hockey fans should be rooting for us, not asking us to leave. Without us, the NHL's market shrinks. That's a fact. Moving the team to Canada does not allow growth within the league! Stop assuming that! People living in Hamilton are already hockey fans, so giving them a team only makes them fans of that team instead of Toronto or Buffalo or whoever. The NHL does not gain fans with the Coyotes moving from Phoenix, it only loses fans. Moving the team to Canada is a lateral move at best and you people wonder why the NHL is stepping in to try and save our franchise? Really? Next time you have a thought about our team, just let it go.
Obviously no one can fully tell how a market is doing without living there, but come on...you're fooling yourself if you think hockey is working Phoenix. It obviously has something to do with the ****** team for the past decade, but pound for pound Phx isn't a hockey city.
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