Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '22-'23 Thread

[Bryanbryoil]

No one's shitting on him, just being realistic. This is not an Eberle tier prospect. No way. Maaaaaaaybe he turns it on and gets there, but right now he's not close to that.

There's no one on our AHL team that can help our NHL team, that's basically a rock solid fact. Holloway is probably the best forward that should be down there, but you can see at an NHL level he's not even close to being a top 6 forward.

Far too early to say that. He may not be as flashy but he is highly skilled, far grittier and more aware defensively than Eberle was.

This I agree with, until Bourgault is ready or Holloway is sent down and gets going, outside of Benson and Malone who is up with the big club, there aren't any answers down there other than maybe Kesselring and Broberg.

Holloway has been dicked around by Woodcroft all season long. Every mistake has been met with demotion or reduction in ice time. He needs to be sent down for at least 10 games and then called back up. It worked for McLeod when he had a poor showing before being sent down last season. He came back a lot more assertive. I see a player that has lost confidence and is afraid to make mistakes (why shouldn't he be the way that he's been handled?).

 

[Stoneman89]

Ah, but why do that when we can write off a productive prospect 15 games in, instead?

Agreed, some posters on here are unbelievable with their lack of patience. Same old crap.

 

[Oilhawks]

Agreed, some posters on here are unbelievable with their lack of patience. Same old crap.

The same posters will complain that they don't do a good job of developing the players and want to rush them to the bigs

 

[Canovin]

The love for Eberle never dies. Did he take the Oilers to some promiseland? Offensively Bourgault might never become an Ebs calibre player and that's okay. He isn't a floater like Ebs either. I prefer he becomes a Hyman type. A player who isn't only focus on offense or holds onto the puck too long but tries to contribute to the team in many other ways.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

There's nothing that McJadeDog said there that's unreasonable.

There's nothing that really indicates Bourgault is some kind of big ticket prospect. His AHL production thus far is a dime a dozen.

The comparisons to like a Jordan Eberle are ridiculous, he is no where near that tier of prospect as of now.

Funny. 15 games into his pro career.
This place

Interesting.

Screen capturing these comments for future. 15 games into pro and this is your conclusion.

Dont bother. Its edgy. Edgy is where its at

 

[belair]

There's nothing that McJadeDog said there that's unreasonable.

There's nothing that really indicates Bourgault is some kind of big ticket prospect. His AHL production thus far is a dime a dozen.

The comparisons to like a Jordan Eberle are ridiculous, he is no where near that tier of prospect as of now.

Except for the part where he randomly compares his upside to McLeod's which suggests he won't have any offensive acumen at the NHL level. Despite the fact it was McLeod that didn't set the world on fire in junior, while Bourgault was one of the Q's top offensive forward.

None of it was based in any sort of logical reasoning.

Gotta get all that negativity out while the team's in a skid though. Not like it isn't noticeable by now.

 

[Anarchism]

Xavier skills -finding open ice and elite passing- will need maybe season and a half to translate.
The skating coach will have to work hard on his east west and though his defensive side was okay in junior you have to do alot more than slide back and be an outlet at this level.

 

[McJadeddog]

That's basically the bottom line here is if anyone is being brutually honest, if Connor and Leon asked "do we have any real major help coming in our organization draft wise any time soon?" ... to be blunt I'd have to tell "nope, don't count on it".

There is nothing that special at forward position at all in the Oilers prospect pool, no one is even hitting .75 ppg at the AHL level, no one that's dominating down there.

Broberg is probably their best prospect, but before you get too excited about that, he's another one of those Oiler D that are not that great at playing actual defence (as in defending). He's another soft defender with some offensive tools but not really elite offence either. Gonna be lots of growing pains and shitting the bed with this player, as there is with Bouchard, and probably talking a time scale of 3-5 years out from really helping the team in a big way if ever.

So no Seider type of D that can step in and make an impact defensively, no way. So to Connor and Leon I'd say there is no cavalry coming, after 7 years worth of draft's the amount of tangiable NHL help the AHL/prospect pool can offer them is very little.

Agreed. We don't have a single "difference maker" in the entire prospect pool, not one. I have been advocating pretty heavily for 2 years now that we should be trading all our picks and prospects for actual NHL players. The problem is that once that prospect plays in the AHL and doesn't dominate, their value immediately drops. Picks are never worth as much as they are right before the pick is made, because every team thinks they are smarter than everybody else and will find that 45th overall player who plays in the show. Every single player we have not in the NHL, and all our picks for the next 2 years, should be on the table for defensive improvements in trade scenarios.

Thank god you CAPITALIZED significant to make your point instead of any sort of argument.

Thanks, I really LOVE the way is highlights things, appreciate the support.

 

[McJadeddog]

He had 6 points in his first 7 games, is the 3rd leading scorer among forwards on Bakersfield (8 points) behind only career AHL ringer Seth Griffin (15 points) and another AHL star that could still have a NHL future in James Hamblin (9 points). He is the 2nd leading goalscorer and tops among forwards on the team with 4 goals and 2 SHG which is tied for 2nd in the entire AHL. He is also 2nd on the team in sog and once again the top forward in that stat. He is a 3 or 4 game run from having very good stats, everyone has slumps in season and this is his first pro season. If we are going to shit on a prospect because their stats are sub par at least give it 1/2 a season before writing their season off as a failure because a lot can happen between now and then.

I'm not saying he isn't a good prospect, I'm saying he is nowhere near the prospect Eberle was. I like XB quite a bit in fact, seems pretty tenacious, has some scoring touch, and isn't overly small. I could see him being a slightly bigger version of Yams at some point if things break correctly. But that isn't a difference maker by any stretch, its the very definition of complimentary player.

 

[Soundwave]

Except for the part where he randomly compares his upside to McLeod's which suggests he won't have any offensive acumen at the NHL level. Despite the fact it was McLeod that didn't set the world on fire in junior, while Bourgault was one of the Q's top offensive forward.

None of it was based in any sort of logical reasoning.

Gotta get all that negativity out while the team's in a skid though. Not like it isn't noticeable by now.

I don't think being compared to McLeod is some kind of insult, lol. McLeod is trending as well or better than guys like Puljujarvi and Yamamoto and Benson who were one time golden children of the Oilers prospect pools, McLeod also ramped up to a PPG in the AHL, lets see if Bourgault can even manage that first.

McLeod along with Skinner are probably the only two decent picks the Oilers have made since taking McDavid seven years ago. Is he a star tier player? No, but most draft picks aren't.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ah, but why do that when we can write off a productive prospect 15 games in, instead?

The same poster questioned McDavids ability to adapt to the nhl after like 5 games

 

[JustNapalmIt]

The same poster questioned McDavids ability to adapt to the nhl after like 5 games

You have gotta be kidding.
Oh my, not sure why I should be surprised. It was an edgy hot take at the time. Of that Im sure.

 

[Spawn]

I'm not saying he isn't a good prospect, I'm saying he is nowhere near the prospect Eberle was. I like XB quite a bit in fact, seems pretty tenacious, has some scoring touch, and isn't overly small. I could see him being a slightly bigger version of Yams at some point if things break correctly. But that isn't a difference maker by any stretch, its the very definition of complimentary player.

Bourgault draft+1 43GP 36G 74P
Eberle draft+1 61GP 36G 75P

Bourgault was about 7 months older in their respective drafts, but even Eberle's draft +2 wasn't all that far off from what Bourgault did last season.

Probably a touch early to say definitively that they are nowhere near each other as prospects. We're ~17 months from his draft. Yes, ideally he would have started the season better than he has. He's barely into his draft+2 season though. Most players from his draft are still in juniors.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm not saying he isn't a good prospect, I'm saying he is nowhere near the prospect Eberle was. I like XB quite a bit in fact, seems pretty tenacious, has some scoring touch, and isn't overly small. I could see him being a slightly bigger version of Yams at some point if things break correctly. But that isn't a difference maker by any stretch, its the very definition of complimentary player.

He is significantly bigger than Yamamoto. That's like saying that Lucic is a slightly bigger version of RNH (size wise). We don't need drivers right now, we have Connor and Leon. For the 3rd line Mc Leod is very good as a puck transporter and distributor as well.

 

[Senor Catface]

The same poster questioned McDavids ability to adapt to the nhl after like 5 games

Oh yes the "he'll struggle to score 15 goals" thing.

 

[Spawn]

Oh yes the "he'll struggle to score 15 goals" thing.

Anyone who has been around as long as you, myself or Jadeddog are going to have some dumb takes over the years. Happens to everyone.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

The same posters will complain that they don't do a good job of developing the players and want to rush them to the bigs

Same people who will bitch about the bottom six players being horrible but expect a rookie to drag around Shore and Ryan. We're literally criticizing his top 6 potential because of one game because he's barely gotten any time with either Mcdavid or Drai in the rest of the games he played while playing the majority of them at 5 minutes or under per game.

 

[Oilhawks]

Same people who will bitch about the bottom six players being horrible but expect a rookie to drag around Shore and Ryan. We're literally criticizing his top 6 potential because of one game because he's barely gotten any time with either Mcdavid or Drai in the rest of the games he played while playing the majority of them at 5 minutes or under per game.

Holloway is being done dirty. Either play him top 6 minutes or send him down so he can play those in the AHL

 

[Yuke]

Holloway is being done dirty. Either play him top 6 minutes or send him down so he can play those in the AHL

No option here. Holloway isn't ready for top 6, send him down

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Anyone who has been around as long as you, myself or Jadeddog are going to have some dumb takes over the years. Happens to everyone.

Thats not merely a dumb take. I cant say what it is, cause to do so risks penalty points.
Its also not surprising.

 

[Stoneman89]

Thats not merely a dumb take. I cant say what it is, cause to do so risks penalty points.
Its also not surprising.

And the problem is not the dumb take, as mentioned we have all done it. The issue is the continued dumb takes based on the same criteria and complete lack of patience.

 

[alphahelix]

I’m just glad to see Soundwave, Spawn, et al. Posting in the same thread. Disagreements and ”bad takes” these days are even dumber and 10x as belligerent as they used to be. At least theres logic and some humility to go around.

 

[McAsuno]

Hamblin and Benny coming up, maybe?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Hamblin and Benny coming up, maybe?

I hope that they aren't hurt.

 

[McAsuno]

I hope that they aren't hurt.