Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '22-'23 Thread

[CupofOil]

No one is saying a bust, but there's no indication this player is anything special either. 8 points in 15 AHL games is nothing special. Benson was close to a PPG in the AHL and he is barely a 13th forward at the NHL level. Eberle had 23 points in his first 20 AHL games by comparison, Bourgault is no where close to that.

There's no one in the Oilers system that stands out as a slam dunk kind of prospect.

It's 15 games into his pro career. Maybe dial back the "disappointment" a bit. I know you're like super mad at Holland but lets calm down a bit.

 

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It's 15 games into his pro career. Maybe dial back the "disappointment" a bit. I know you're like super mad at Holland but lets calm down a bit.

The issue is the Oilers overall drafting record is basically holding the entire franchise and McDavid era hostage. We can't trade any of these picks because they're all special super duper prospects (until they show up to the NHL or get further in their AHL development and it's clear they're not walking the walk).

But what that does is it effectively cripples the team because they refuse to make a trade giving up any of these prospects that then just go on to become Jesse Puljujarvis and Kailer Yamamotos and Tyler Bensons -- guy's who were also once mega hyped who bring little but maybe inconsistent spurts of production at the NHL level and have rock bottom trade value.

It's fair to criticize the Oilers drafting. It has sucked, flat out. They've had basically like 50 draft picks since they chose McDavid and like basically Stuart Skinner looks like the only one that really makes any difference for the NHL club and for the guys in the AHL none of them are really lighting that league on fire either.

Bourgault gets compared to Eberle ... his AHL production is no where close to Eberle's.

 

[Canovin]

The issue is the Oilers overall drafting record is basically holding the entire franchise and McDavid era hostage. We can't trade any of these picks because they're all special super duper prospects (until they show up to the NHL or get further in their AHL development and it's clear they're not walking the walk).

But what that does is it effectively cripples the team because they refuse to make a trade giving up any of these prospects that then just go on to become Jesse Puljujarvis and Kailer Yamamotos and Tyler Bensons -- guy's who were also once mega hyped who bring little but maybe inconsistent spurts of production at the NHL level and have rock bottom trade value.

It's fair to criticize the Oilers drafting. It has sucked, flat out. They've had basically like 50 draft picks since they chose McDavid and like basically Stuart Skinner looks like the only one that really makes any difference for the NHL club and for the guys in the AHL none of them are really lighting that league on fire either.

Bourgault gets compared to Eberle ... his AHL production is no where close to Eberle's.

I don't think our drafting is all that bad. It's our development team that sucks.

Also, Benson and Eberle played 2 seasons in juniors before playing in the AHL. Bourgault played 1 season and this is his 2nd season after the draft

 

[Soundwave]

I don't think our drafting is all that bad. It's our development team that sucks.

Also, Benson and Eberle played 2 seasons in juniors before playing in the AHL. Bourgault played 1 season and this is his 2nd season after the draft

The drafting is bad.

If all you have to show on your NHL roster for 7 years worth of draft picks is Stuart Skinner and Evan "Justin Schultz 2.0" Bouchard despite having 3 top 10 picks in that period ... you done f***ed up.

Columbus knew exactly what they were doing when they passed on Puljujarvi.

I think the Oilers are maybe the only team in the league that takes Broberg in the top 10 especially with Zegras still on the board.

 

[Aerchon]

I don't think our drafting is all that bad. It's our development team that sucks.

Also, Benson and Eberle played 2 seasons in juniors before playing in the AHL. Bourgault played 1 season and this is his 2nd season after the draft

This.

While I disagreed with almost all of Holland's picks so far, I still think it's a development issue rather than drafting issue.

Plenty of time for hopefully Holloway and Borg to develop, they both made the most of their oppurtunities to date, and just need to take that last final big step to be a impact NHL player.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

No one is saying a bust, but there's no indication this player is anything special either. 8 points in 15 AHL games is nothing special. Benson was close to a PPG in the AHL and he is barely a 13th forward at the NHL level. Eberle had 23 points in his first 20 AHL games by comparison, Bourgault is no where close to that.

There's no one in the Oilers system that stands out as a slam dunk kind of prospect.

The ahl in my opinion has come leaps and bounds in the last 12 years since eberle was there. That league may be softer than it was then but the average player is much faster and more skilled than it’s ever been. Hard to compare two small sample sizes when it’s gapped by a 12 year difference. Condors are a much deeper organization than the barren wasteland the oilers farm team was in 2010 where eberle was gifted every offensive opportunity

The real litmus test of the 20 year old in his D+2 season will be to see how the second half of his season goes, if he doesn’t show improvement from his first half maybe you can get a little concerned but it is far too early to complain about bourgault as a draft pick.

 

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The ahl in my opinion has come leaps and bounds in the last 12 years since eberle was there. That league may be softer than it was then but the average player is much faster and more skilled than it’s ever been. Hard to compare two small sample sizes when it’s gapped by a 12 year difference. Condors are a much deeper organization than the barren wasteland the oilers farm team was in 2010 where eberle was gifted every offensive opportunity

The real litmus test of the 20 year old in his D+2 season will be to see how the second half of his season goes, if he doesn’t show improvement from his first half maybe you can get a little concerned but it is far too early to complain about bourgault as a draft pick.

We'll see, as I said I don't think the Oilers/Condors have earned the benefit of the doubt here.

7 years worth of picks and the only player that really looks like anything really good at the NHL level is Stuart Skinner in the McDavid era is dismal.

At this point I assume Bourgault/Holloway are maybe Yamamoto tier players.

Yamamoto was about a 0.68 ppg in the AHL, is nothing that special at the NHL level can maybe eek out 20 goals if attached to the hip with Draisaitl, but probably really more like 10-15 scorer without playing with one of the players in the league.

Holloway was 0.48 ppg and looks completely lost at the NHL level
Bourgault is 0.533 currently

I would not be expecting anywhere close to an Eberle tier player here. If it happens, great, but I would not expect it. I don't see anywhere near Eberle's dynamic puck skill in Bourgault either but that comparison has been made, guess because they were both drafted in the 20s by the Oilers and are RWs? Maybe Yamamoto tier is what Bourgault might be and even that is a maybe.

 

[Canovin]

We'll see, as I said I don't think the Oilers/Condors have earned the benefit of the doubt here.

7 years worth of picks and the only player that really looks like anything really good at the NHL level is Stuart Skinner in the McDavid era is dismal.

At this point I assume Bourgault/Holloway are maybe Yamamoto tier players.

Yamamoto was about a 0.68 ppg in the AHL, is nothing that special at the NHL level can maybe eek out 20 goals if attached to the hip with Draisaitl, but probably really more like 10-15 scorer without playing with one of the players in the league.

Holloway was 0.48 ppg and looks completely lost at the NHL level
Bourgault is 0.533 currently

I would not be expecting anywhere close to an Eberle tier player here. If it happens, great, but I would not expect it. I don't see anywhere near Eberle's dynamic puck skill in Bourgault either but that comparison has been made, guess because they were both drafted in the 20s by the Oilers and are RWs? Maybe Yamamoto tier is what Bourgault might be and even that is a maybe.

Nothing wrong with Holloway and Bourgault ending up as good as Yamo. A bigger Yamo is a very useful player.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Nothing wrong with Holloway and Bourgault ending up as good as Yamo. A bigger Yamo is a very useful player.

I don't mind if Holloway Bourgault end up being bigger versions of Yamo. A bigger version of Yamo is a solid 50-60 point guy who plays with grease in the NHL. The problem is when do they become this player? 2023 or 2024 I can stomach, but if it takes till 2026 Drai will be on a new big fat 15 million dollar contract and McDavid will be on an even fatter one right after.

 

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Nothing wrong with Holloway and Bourgault ending up as good as Yamo. A bigger Yamo is a very useful player.

It's not a given either player is even a Yamamoto, despite being bigger neither has his AHL ppg scoring rate.

 

[McJadeddog]

We'll see, as I said I don't think the Oilers/Condors have earned the benefit of the doubt here.

7 years worth of picks and the only player that really looks like anything really good at the NHL level is Stuart Skinner in the McDavid era is dismal.

At this point I assume Bourgault/Holloway are maybe Yamamoto tier players.

Yamamoto was about a 0.68 ppg in the AHL, is nothing that special at the NHL level can maybe eek out 20 goals if attached to the hip with Draisaitl, but probably really more like 10-15 scorer without playing with one of the players in the league.

Holloway was 0.48 ppg and looks completely lost at the NHL level
Bourgault is 0.533 currently

I would not be expecting anywhere close to an Eberle tier player here. If it happens, great, but I would not expect it. I don't see anywhere near Eberle's dynamic puck skill in Bourgault either but that comparison has been made, guess because they were both drafted in the 20s by the Oilers and are RWs? Maybe Yamamoto tier is what Bourgault might be and even that is a maybe.

Oh yeah, Bourgault is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the player Eberle was at the same age. Like, its not even remotely close. It's comical that people might think he'll turn out anywhere near as good. XB is hopefully a NHL player at one point, that is about it. He is a McLeod level prospect if things break right, not an Eberle level prospect.

 

[Aerchon]

Oh yeah, Bourgault is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the player Eberle was at the same age. Like, its not even remotely close. It's comical that people might think he'll turn out anywhere near as good. XB is hopefully a NHL player at one point, that is about it. He is a McLeod level prospect if things break right, not an Eberle level prospect.

Offensively sure. Very different play styles. One lives off soft coverage and the rush. The other is dogged and can dig pucks out to create scoring chances off the cycle.

Eberle is a very flawed player. He is a #2 RW that has to have some talent to play with and will be expected to be terrible defensively, but will produce. Borg is hopefully the kind of player that may not produce as much but just be a better all around player.

 

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Oh yeah, Bourgault is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the player Eberle was at the same age. Like, its not even remotely close. It's comical that people might think he'll turn out anywhere near as good. XB is hopefully a NHL player at one point, that is about it. He is a McLeod level prospect if things break right, not an Eberle level prospect.

That's basically the bottom line here is if anyone is being brutually honest, if Connor and Leon asked "do we have any real major help coming in our organization draft wise any time soon?" ... to be blunt I'd have to tell "nope, don't count on it".

There is nothing that special at forward position at all in the Oilers prospect pool, no one is even hitting .75 ppg at the AHL level, no one that's dominating down there.

Broberg is probably their best prospect, but before you get too excited about that, he's another one of those Oiler D that are not that great at playing actual defence (as in defending). He's another soft defender with some offensive tools but not really elite offence either. Gonna be lots of growing pains and shitting the bed with this player, as there is with Bouchard, and probably talking a time scale of 3-5 years out from really helping the team in a big way if ever.

So no Seider type of D that can step in and make an impact defensively, no way. So to Connor and Leon I'd say there is no cavalry coming, after 7 years worth of draft's the amount of tangiable NHL help the AHL/prospect pool can offer them is very little.

 

[McShogun99]

The issue is the Oilers overall drafting record is basically holding the entire franchise and McDavid era hostage. We can't trade any of these picks because they're all special super duper prospects (until they show up to the NHL or get further in their AHL development and it's clear they're not walking the walk).

But what that does is it effectively cripples the team because they refuse to make a trade giving up any of these prospects that then just go on to become Jesse Puljujarvis and Kailer Yamamotos and Tyler Bensons -- guy's who were also once mega hyped who bring little but maybe inconsistent spurts of production at the NHL level and have rock bottom trade value.

It's fair to criticize the Oilers drafting. It has sucked, flat out. They've had basically like 50 draft picks since they chose McDavid and like basically Stuart Skinner looks like the only one that really makes any difference for the NHL club and for the guys in the AHL none of them are really lighting that league on fire either.

Bourgault gets compared to Eberle ... his AHL production is no where close to Eberle's.

We need to do a trade like what Jersey did. Trade a prospect+ for a young, more established player.

The drafting is bad.

If all you have to show on your NHL roster for 7 years worth of draft picks is Stuart Skinner and Evan "Justin Schultz 2.0" Bouchard despite having 3 top 10 picks in that period ... you done f***ed up.

Columbus knew exactly what they were doing when they passed on Puljujarvi.

I think the Oilers are maybe the only team in the league that takes Broberg in the top 10 especially with Zegras still on the board.

Wasn't the rumour that Holland wanted Seider? After Detroit picked him they were probably set on picking a Dman and selected the next best Dman on their list instead of the BPA.

 

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We need to do a trade like what Jersey did. Trade a prospect+ for a young, more established player.


Wasn't the rumour that Holland wanted Seider? After Detroit picked him they were probably set on picking a Dman and selected the next best Dman on their list instead of the BPA.

I mean so what? I want a gold Lamborghini. If you want Seider that bad then make a move to go up in the draft and get him.

 

[CupofOil]

Oh yeah, Bourgault is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the player Eberle was at the same age. Like, its not even remotely close. It's comical that people might think he'll turn out anywhere near as good. XB is hopefully a NHL player at one point, that is about it. He is a McLeod level prospect if things break right, not an Eberle level prospect.

Oh lord. Some of you guys are too much.

I think I'll be posting less and less this season, have already started to post less in any event because of life and stuff but posts like this make it even less desirable to post here.

 

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Oh lord. Some of you guys are too much.

I think I'll be posting less and less this season, have already started to post less in any event because of life and stuff but posts like this make it even less desirable to post here.

There's nothing that McJadeDog said there that's unreasonable.

There's nothing that really indicates Bourgault is some kind of big ticket prospect. His AHL production thus far is a dime a dozen.

The comparisons to like a Jordan Eberle are ridiculous, he is no where near that tier of prospect as of now.

 

[McShogun99]

I mean so what? I want a gold Lamborghini. If you want Seider that bad then make a move to go up in the draft and get him.

Just like Detroit did 2 years ago to take Cossa before the Oilers could.

 

[Senor Catface]

Oh yeah, Bourgault is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the player Eberle was at the same age. Like, its not even remotely close. It's comical that people might think he'll turn out anywhere near as good. XB is hopefully a NHL player at one point, that is about it. He is a McLeod level prospect if things break right, not an Eberle level prospect.

Thank god you CAPITALIZED significant to make your point instead of any sort of argument.

 

[Soundwave]

Eberle is on a different planet from any prospect we have in our pool right now period.

Eberle you could point at and say "yeah this dude is gonna be a top player on the NHL team in a year or two" with reasonable confidence.

You'd be lying to McDavid and Draisaitl if you said that about anyone in our system today. Holloway is probably the best forward in our system and you can see he's not even a shadow of an NHL player at this point, like Ryan McLeod looks like Connor McDavid next to him.

 

[aspin3]

We'll see, as I said I don't think the Oilers/Condors have earned the benefit of the doubt here.

7 years worth of picks and the only player that really looks like anything really good at the NHL level is Stuart Skinner in the McDavid era is dismal.

At this point I assume Bourgault/Holloway are maybe Yamamoto tier players.

Yamamoto was about a 0.68 ppg in the AHL, is nothing that special at the NHL level can maybe eek out 20 goals if attached to the hip with Draisaitl, but probably really more like 10-15 scorer without playing with one of the players in the league.

Holloway was 0.48 ppg and looks completely lost at the NHL level
Bourgault is 0.533 currently

I would not be expecting anywhere close to an Eberle tier player here. If it happens, great, but I would not expect it. I don't see anywhere near Eberle's dynamic puck skill in Bourgault either but that comparison has been made, guess because they were both drafted in the 20s by the Oilers and are RWs? Maybe Yamamoto tier is what Bourgault might be and even that is a maybe.

Interesting.

It's not a given either player is even a Yamamoto, despite being bigger neither has his AHL ppg scoring rate.

Screen capturing these comments for future. 15 games into pro and this is your conclusion.

 

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Interesting.

Screen capturing these comments for future. 15 games into pro and this is your conclusion.

Sure go ahead, if he improves, great.

But I can only base things on the reality of where they sit today in the here and now.

Like what about this player is even all that special? Was his junior scoring rate that high? What hockey attribute does he have that looks elite?

Because his AHL production and play thus far is nothing that special.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

There's nothing that McJadeDog said there that's unreasonable.

There's nothing that really indicates Bourgault is some kind of big ticket prospect. His AHL production thus far is a dime a dozen.

The comparisons to like a Jordan Eberle are ridiculous, he is no where near that tier of prospect as of now.

He had 6 points in his first 7 games, is the 3rd leading scorer among forwards on Bakersfield (8 points) behind only career AHL ringer Seth Griffin (15 points) and another AHL star that could still have a NHL future in James Hamblin (9 points). He is the 2nd leading goalscorer and tops among forwards on the team with 4 goals and 2 SHG which is tied for 2nd in the entire AHL. He is also 2nd on the team in sog and once again the top forward in that stat. He is a 3 or 4 game run from having very good stats, everyone has slumps in season and this is his first pro season. If we are going to shit on a prospect because their stats are sub par at least give it 1/2 a season before writing their season off as a failure because a lot can happen between now and then.

 

[Soundwave]

He had 6 points in his first 7 games, is the 3rd leading scorer among forwards on Bakersfield (8 points) behind only career AHL ringer Seth Griffin (15 points) and another AHL star that could still have a NHL future in James Hamblin (9 points). He is the 2nd leading goalscorer and tops among forwards on the team with 4 goals and 2 SHG which is tied for 2nd in the entire AHL. He is also 2nd on the team in sog and once again the top forward in that stat. He is a 3 or 4 game run from having very good stats, everyone has slumps in season and this is his first pro season. If we are going to shit on a prospect because their stats are sub par at least give it 1/2 a season before writing their season off as a failure because a lot can happen between now and then.

No one's shitting on him, just being realistic. This is not an Eberle tier prospect. No way. Maaaaaaaybe he turns it on and gets there, but right now he's not close to that.

There's no one on our AHL team that can help our NHL team, that's basically a rock solid fact. Holloway is probably the best forward that should be down there, but you can see at an NHL level he's not even close to being a top 6 forward.

 

[Oilhawks]

He had 6 points in his first 7 games, is the 3rd leading scorer among forwards on Bakersfield (8 points) behind only career AHL ringer Seth Griffin (15 points) and another AHL star that could still have a NHL future in James Hamblin (9 points). He is the 2nd leading goalscorer and tops among forwards on the team with 4 goals and 2 SHG which is tied for 2nd in the entire AHL. He is also 2nd on the team in sog and once again the top forward in that stat. He is a 3 or 4 game run from having very good stats, everyone has slumps in season and this is his first pro season. If we are going to shit on a prospect because their stats are sub par at least give it 1/2 a season before writing their season off as a failure because a lot can happen between now and then.

Ah, but why do that when we can write off a productive prospect 15 games in, instead?