Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Ianturnedbull]

Is that so he can show you how to use it?

No. He is addicted to Solar Smash and the Mandelbrowser App.

 

[ORRFForever]

How does it cost "millions" fighting the case, anyway? And even if it did, you're saying Babcock would have the money to readily spend millions on such a legal battle, but the CBJ team wouldn't?

It costs "millions" because not only do they have high priced lawyers, they might lose and have to pay the full $8M. No matter how remote that possibility is, the Blue Jackets want to make it all go away - and it all goes away by cutting a cheque.

Maybe Babcock takes the money and gives it to the poor? You never know.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Think Tank Topic:

How does CBJ pick up the pieces?

 

[ORRFForever]

They would absolutely win lol.

You don't know that. Crazier things have happened in the U.S. court system.

So, if you are the Blue Jackets, you could take a chance OR cut him a cheque for (let's say) $1M-$2M and you never see his ugly face again. I'd go with the latter.

Think Tank Topic:

How does CBJ pick up the pieces?

Meh. People forget. Another week and people will be asking, "Who's Mike Babcock?".

 

[TheTotalPackage]

What a circus show. Wonder if this is the end of the line for him in the NHL. At this point in time he brings too much negative attention with him. I knew at some point we'd see him back, but after this, I think we may have seen the last of him in the NHL.

He's done. No team is going to bring the unnecessary attention that'll come with hiring him in any capacity.

 

[ORRFForever]

His attorney likely would sign on and get a piece of the settlement/judgement. The Blue Jackets wouldn't be doing anything but paying an attorney.

Yup.

He's done. No team is going to bring the unnecessary attention that'll come with hiring him in any capacity.

Yup.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It costs "millions" because not only do they have high priced lawyers, they might lose and have to pay the full $8M. No matter how remote that possibility is, the Blue Jackets want to make it all go away - and it all goes away by cutting a cheque.

Maybe Babcock takes the money and gives it to the poor? You never know.

Man, what the hell are you on about?

Also, there's zero chance Babcock the full 8 million from this. Zero.

 

[Strangle]

Am I the only one who's so confused what has actually happened?

Did Babcock ask players to show him family pictures on their phones or did he want to scroll through all pics players had on their phones? I mean theres a massive difference between those two options.

And I just cant see anything wrong if he simply wanted players to show family pics!

Now if he wanted the players to hand over their phones and scroll through the gallery, that's massive problem but I cant see anyone agreeing to that.

What a weird case.

You’re not confused, the details are sparse and people are drawing inferences based on the result of the situation. Babcock resigning

We don’t k ow what actually happened, we don’t have anything but the thinnest of details.

We don’t know if this is an over reaction, or an under reaction

 

[ORRFForever]

I love how (it SEEMS TO BE) the young idealistic posters who believe he got nothing. The older posters (like myself) who KNOW / have seen how scum like Babcock always win, KNOW he got paid. Too funny.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

How does it cost "millions" fighting the case, anyway? And even if it did, you're saying Babcock would have the money to readily spend millions on such a legal battle, but the CBJ team wouldn't?

As a litigator, I can tell you that getting to $1M in fees is nothing these days for anything like substantial litigation. The problem for both sides is that in contract law the loser pays the winner's attorney fees, and whatever Babcock did or did not do, he probably had a strong case under contract law which favors the enforcement of contracts. Plus, the ongoing PR nightmare would be one-sided only, since Babcock doesn't care about his future reputation since nobody is going to hire him again anyhow -- he can run off to Fiji and blissfully ignore it all -- while the CBJ would have to face the drip, drip, drip of stories coming out every week about Witness X said this in deposition of Witness Y just got subpoenaed, etc. So, Babcock has been paid, or will be paid, to quietly go away and the CBJ gets what they deserve for hiring an inevitable disaster in the first place.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I love how (it SEEMS TO BE) the young idealistic posters who believe he got nothing. The older posters (like myself) who KNOW / have seen how scum like Babcock always win, KNOW he got paid. Too funny.

I don't think many people (or anyone) think he got zero.

 

[ORRFForever]

Man, what the hell are you on about?

Also, there's zero chance Babcock the full 8 million from this. Zero.

I disagree. Crazy things happen in the U.S. courts every day. There are no sure things. Again, the Blue Jackets would want this to go away and it goes away my writing a cheque.

As a litigator, I can tell you that getting to $1M in fees is nothing these days for anything like substantial litigation. The problem for both sides is that in contract law the loser pays the winner's attorney fees, and whatever Babcock did or did not do, he probably had a strong case under contract law which favors the enforcement of contracts. Plus, the ongoing PR nightmare would be one-sided only, since Babcock doesn't care about his future reputation since nobody is going to hire him again anyhow -- he can run off to Fiji and blissfully ignore it all -- while the CBJ would have to face the drip, drip, drip of stories coming out every week about Witness X said this in deposition of Witness Y just got subpoenaed, etc.

Thank you and well said.

 

[MXD]

Reading your posts over the years, I know you are a very idealistic poster, MXD, and God bless you for it. If you want to believe he walked away with nothing, that's okay with me.

1 - I'm not idealistic, I'm a lawyer.
2 - I explicitly said he DIDN'T walk away with nothing.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I disagree. Crazy things happen in the U.S. courts every day. There are no sure things. Again, the Blue Jackets would want this to go away and it goes away my writing a cheque.


Thank you and well said.

Zero chance he gets the full salary.

 

[Rob Brown]

Recommend people watch this. They divulge a lot of info about Babcock's time in Toronto, same shit happened to a veteran player. Apparently the Blue Jackets player was invited to Babcock's house for lunch when this shit happened.

 

[ORRFForever]

I don't think many people (or anyone) think he got zero.

Some do.

1 - I'm not idealistic, I'm a lawyer.
2 - I explicitly said he DIDN'T walk away with nothing.

LOL. See below.

Zero chance he gets the full salary.

There is never zero chance. Again, it makes sense to cut him a cheque and make it all go away.

 

[ORRFForever]

He had an investigation over his head which could've resulted in termination, and termination would've meant a big fat zero payout.

Re : "I explicitly said he DIDN'T walk away with nothing."

That quote sounds like you're saying he got nothing - "a big fat zero payout".

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Re : "I explicitly said he DIDN'T walk away with nothing."

Wait... That quote sounds like you're saying he got nothing - "a big fat zero payout". So which is it?

No it doesn't. It doesn't sound like he's saying he got zero at all. He's saying termination (which Babcock) avoid could have led to zero. Are you reading the posts you reply to?

 

[PainForShane]

Recommend people watch this. They divulge a lot of info about Babcock's time in Toronto, same shit happened to a veteran player. Apparently the Blue Jackets player was invited to Babcock's house for lunch when this shit happened.

100%.

Watching this right now, Biz starts by giving his full story about the texts he got (starts at 11 mins) which pretty clearly explains how f***ed this is. Chelios comes on later in the pod, haven't gotten there yet, probably he has some stuff too.

I'd even go so far to say it's required watching (or at least listening) for anyone who's invested enough to be posting in this thread

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Zero chance he gets the full salary.

A settlement may be fairly defined as both parties walking away to some degree both happy and unhappy.

The larger truth is that Babcock should get zero, not because of any contracts or litigation, but because the CBJ should never have hired him in the first place. What the CBJ did was to place the truck driver who is a known alcoholic into the truck and send him off with a load of bricks onto icy streets in heavy traffic; that he made a huge mess was a foregoing conclusion. That was the CBJ's mistake: Everybody with even the most minimal knowledge of Babcock's past knew that Babcock was going to self-implode sooner or later (just nobody thought he wouldn't even make it to the pre-season games).

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

They would absolutely win lol.

Depends on how you define "winning".

Columbus was never going to be forced to keep Babcock on as head coach. The question is could they have fired him without paying out what he's owed on his contract? That'd be a much harder battle to win.

When they so quickly came out and said that nothing he had done was inappropriate, and trotted out to marquee players to do the same, they really sewered themselves from that standpoint.

So they for sure paid the guy to go away.

It's evident by the statement Babcock put out, where he said he was leaving because he didn't want to be a "distraction". It was code for "I got some money so this isn't worth the battle".

I would imagine both Jarmo and Davidson are walking the plank there next.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don’t think the phone thing is the only thing that did Babcock in. I just can’t see a team firing him before he’s even started training camp over that unless there was a lot more to it then what they’re saying. My family knows Babcock personally and I’ve met him many times and it’s really been disappointing hearing all this stuff come out about him since his final days in Toronto. He doesn’t seem the type just talking to him from a perspective outside the game. But I guess power is a hell of a drug. And I’m guessing the pedestal he was put on as a coach probably didn’t help that.

Sociopaths in general no matter the degree of tendencies, but especially the intelligent ones, are very good at hiding in plain sight. They are chameleons. They'll wear the skin that is most suited to make you comfortable, charmed and compliant. Until they want something. They are wolves in sheep clothing.

Power is a drug to those who have a void to fill in their egos and there isn't a bigger void than in those who have sociopathic tendencies.

 

[ORRFForever]

No it doesn't. It doesn't sound like he's saying he got zero at all. He's saying termination (which Babcock) avoid could have led to zero. Are you reading the posts you reply to?

I fully understand what MXD is implying.

That's the thing. They didn't try to make him leave for nothing, because there was no termination. Babcock negociated his resignation and received a payout accordingly. Columbus' interest was to not drag it out and name another coach ASAP; Babcock's interest was making sure he'd get away with something instead of a big zero following a termination.

So we agree - he got something to walk away, which is what I've been saying all along.

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We're ALL talking in circles, slicing posts and arguing for the sake of arguing, when we all agree :

Mike Babcock is scum.
Columbus was foolish to hire him.
It was only a matter of time before he was canned.
He got paid to go away.
We'll never see him in the NHL, again.
Good riddance.

I'm off to cut the grass - it is a beautiful Fall day where I live.

 

[Jumptheshark]

100%.

Watching this right now, Biz starts by giving his full story about the texts he got (starts at 11 mins) which pretty clearly explains how f***ed this is. Chelios comes on later in the pod, haven't gotten there yet, probably he has some stuff too.

I'd even go so far to say it's required watching (or at least listening) for anyone who's invested enough to be posting in this thread

that is why I posted it. they spend about 45 minutes going into greater detail of just what, where and how he did things

 

[Channelcat]

Think Tank Topic:

How does CBJ pick up the pieces?

They rally. Some of the best teams are those that have been dealing with trauma, turbulence etc. I'm not expecting a whole lot, considering what this team is.....but I think this might actually help.