Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Saga of the Elk]

I'm confused. Are you implying that the players were upset that Babcock was hard on them for their on-ice performance? They haven't even played a game yet. Heck, they haven't even had a practice yet.

I'm saying if you're so upset that he asked to see your phone, it doesn't bode well when a coach says "ya stunk." Look, Babcock undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable. We who don't have access to the truth can take one side or another. But somewhere in the middle, there is someone who took a dispute between himself and the Head Coach and took it to the media, derailed the season and got a guy fired. If this was a racial slur, something sexual, something life-threatening... totally different. A locker room is not a "safe space," it's a place where honesty and accountability are needed.

 

[Gilmour1996]

I wonder the type of shit coaches like Milbury and Keenan used to do...

or John Brophy!

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I'm saying if you're so upset that he asked to see your phone, it doesn't bode well when a coach says "ya stunk." Look, Babcock undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable. We who don't have access to the truth can take one side or another. But somewhere in the middle, there is someone who took a dispute between himself and the Head Coach and took it to the media, derailed the season and got a guy fired. If this was a racial slur, something sexual, something life-threatening... totally different. A locker room is not a "safe space," it's a place where honesty and accountability are needed.

What does that picture of a locker room have to do with snatching phones?

 

[Gilmour1996]

All it takes is a player showing the coach a pic of his girlfriend in a bikini and things escalate once the player tells her what happened.

 

[ORRFForever]

Are they going to address whether Babs is still getting paid?

I am sure he will be paid to go away - and that's fair, a contract is a contract.

 

[Mike C]

Also add, I want to know what type of person you are!

not sure i want the true answer to that one!

ignorance is bliss baby!!

 

[tarheelhockey]

or John Brophy!

Brophy wasn’t this nuanced. He’d just smack a guy with a stick.

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah, because as it turns out the "Most Worthless Generation" the Boomers did pretty much everything completely bassackwards, including fielding these cultural and intellectual dinosaurs like Babcock, and my generation X and others following are now having to clean up their messes not just in hockey but in society generally.

And us older folks made a fortune doing it.

 

[Macman]

Brophy wasn’t this nuanced. He’d just smack a guy with a stick.

He’d ask for your phone, then beat you over the head with it.

 

[Mike C]

All it takes is a player showing the coach a pic of his girlfriend in a bikini and things escalate once the player tells her what happened.

yeah.....it'll go something like " i sure wish they didn't hire your dad to be our coach. i TOLD you to keep that stuff off my GD nokia"

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Are they going to address whether Babs is still getting paid?

My understanding is that Babs resigned so he won't get paid.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

My understanding is that Babs resigned so he won't get paid.

Watching the end of the presser, JD basically said they have an agreement, so I'm guessing he's getting paid at least partially.

 

[ORRFForever]

My understanding is that Babs resigned so he won't get paid.

My guess : They cut him a cheque. Will he get it all, NO, but he's not being pushed out without a parachute.

 

[Kranix]

Are they going to address whether Babs is still getting paid?

They said they made a deal with him, but didn't specify.

 

[tarheelhockey]

My understanding is that Babs resigned so he won't get paid.

I wouldn’t take it too literally. In a situation like this, the resignation is often brokered under certain conditions. The main one being a severance of some sort.

Resigning unilaterally with no warning is what might cause someone not to get paid.

 

[LOFIN]

My understanding is that Babs resigned so he won't get paid.

The fact that he "resigned" doesn't mean he tore up his contract.

 

[swiftwin]

I'm saying if you're so upset that he asked to see your phone, it doesn't bode well when a coach says "ya stunk." Look, Babcock undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable. We who don't have access to the truth can take one side or another. But somewhere in the middle, there is someone who took a dispute between himself and the Head Coach and took it to the media, derailed the season and got a guy fired. If this was a racial slur, something sexual, something life-threatening... totally different. A locker room is not a "safe space," it's a place where honesty and accountability are needed.

That's a really really strange leap in logic.

What does invading the privacy and personal life of a player have anything to do with how a player would react to criticism on their on-ice performance???

Sleuthing in a player's phone is waaay outside of a coach's jurisdiction. Giving a player harsh feedback for their performance is not.

What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. What happens in a player's personal life stays in their personal life.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

I'm saying if you're so upset that he asked to see your phone, it doesn't bode well when a coach says "ya stunk." Look, Babcock undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable. We who don't have access to the truth can take one side or another. But somewhere in the middle, there is someone who took a dispute between himself and the Head Coach and took it to the media, derailed the season and got a guy fired. If this was a racial slur, something sexual, something life-threatening... totally different. A locker room is not a "safe space," it's a place where honesty and accountability are needed.

I'm sure these players have all been held accountable in travel and their junior leagues. This has nothing to do with a coach being mean to them. This has nothing to do with any on ice or off ice regiments or routines. This has nothing to do with hockey - what Babcock was supposed to be coaching them on.

This was a coach who decided to demand something he had no right to, exerting his power and facing the consequences for it. I honestly want to stop hearing any of this nonsense that he just wanted to see pictures of their family for team building and mutual understanding. If you want pictures to see, ask them to provide them at their own discretion, you don't need to touch anyone's phone. Set up a group meeting for everyone to share - don't ask unprompted behind closed doors to scroll for yourself.

The complete lack of ignorance and delusion that some posters are spewing here is insane. Why are you talking about safe spaces?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Is this the quickest firing of a coach in NHL history?

 

[Macman]

That's a really really strange leap in logic.

What does invading the privacy and personal life of a player have anything to do with how a player would react to criticism on their on-ice performance???

Sleuthing in a player's phone is waaay outside of a coach's jurisdiction. Giving a player harsh feedback for their performance is not.

Agreed. But has that been confirmed by anybody? I’m hearing a lot of gossip and speculation but Davidson and Jarmo didn’t reveal anything on the specifics during their news conference. Maybe they were asked about it afterwards, I dunno.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Ah so you simply don't understand power dynamics and abusive behavior. Simple as.

Maybe a player thinks, "this is my first NHL coach, I have to do what he says"; he controls their future. Maybe they say no, hey get their minutes cut. Maybe they get demoted to a lower line, get no time in camp even.

You're saying no one else in that organization knows hockey? If Babcock demote a player and everybody else, including Jarmo Kekäläinen thinks that player should get more ice time, do you think it's Babcock who's in charge of that then? Of course not.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

That's a really really strange leap in logic.

What does invading the privacy and personal life of a player have anything to do with how a player would react to criticism on their on-ice performance???

Sleuthing in a player's phone is waaay outside of a coach's jurisdiction. Giving a player harsh feedback for their performance is not.

What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. What happens in a player's personal life stays in their personal life.

Totally fine. But you're also making a leap in logic. He asks to see a phone, the player is uncomfortable, the player gives Babs the phone. He didn't sleuth, he didn't hit a player and take the phone out of his hands. Nothing like that has been reported, right?

People are assuming everything from he hacked the phones, he stole the phones, he took photos and shared them on the internet.

He made a request that a couple of players (maybe only one!) didn't like. And that player didn't go to the team captain, the GM, a trusted friend, the hr department or his agent. He went to BizNasty.

It's a goofy story, and whatever you might think of Mike Babcock's reputation, there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking to see personal photos in order to get know the team.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You're saying no one else in that organization knows hockey? If Babcock demote a player and everybody else, including Jarmo Kekäläinen thinks that player should get more ice time, do you think it's Babcock who's in charge of that then? Of course not.

The head coach has the most influence on a player's deployments.

I can't believe there are people defending this clown.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Whomever thought it was a good idea to hire Babcock in the first place should also be gone.

Why?

The head coach has the most influence on a player's deployments.

And if Jarmo didn't like a players deployment he would fire Babcock.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You're saying no one else in that organization knows hockey? If Babcock demote a player and everybody else, including Jarmo Kekäläinen thinks that player should get more ice time, do you think it's Babcock who's in charge of that then? Of course not.

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