Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Mike C]

As said before, it works the other way around as well. As a regular person you can just get fired for whatever reason they want and unless it's due to a very narrow set of legally defined criteria there's very little you can do about it.

An NHL player is a much stronger position because he possesses a rare skill set and cannot be 'easily' replaced. If you can be 'easily' replaced in the NHL you're not going to be in the NHL for more than a minute, and it won't have anything to do with saying "no" to a coach's off-ice request.

This isn't acting where quality is highly subjective, this is also not the 1930s/40s NHL where most players were still pretty close to just being regular guys, a player that can play and is willing to sign a contract will be in the NHL.

There's two conflicting narratives about players popular on these forums, and that's why I thought about the sexual assault angle. On the one hand players are supposedly these egomaniacs who have been allowed to act as they please all their lives, protected by a culture glorifying athletic talent allowing players to get away with all kinds of misconduct because they win games for their coaches and managers. On the other hand we're supposed to believe they're poor, oppressed workers who are victims of their abusive superiors and have no power to even voice disagreement with a request made by them.

At this stage we fully know that it's impossible to run an NHL team against the locker room. No coach can succeed without players pulling in the same direction, and the days where they'll do that no matter what out of some sense of loyalty and esprit de corps are long gone. That's why it's absurd to believe that people 'couldn't speak up' in the moment. They aren't prisoners, they aren't 12 year old gymnasts at their doctors, they're professionals who have a right expect to be treated as such and an obligation to act as such.

additionally, if the players don't like the coach they can just lay down on the job and get him fired. happens all the time

barry trotz says hello by the way!!

 

[Ianturnedbull]

To some people it really isn't a big deal. I know people who will hand you their phone and beg you to look through their shit. Pets, vacation shots etc. I'm like "nah man, I'm good"

I hand my phone over to my 9 year old son, and I also do the same when showing my vacation photos to co-workers.

This is not at all what you're talking about.

In this instance he resigned from his head coaching position due to what happened. If only this was about: "Hey Babs! Look at my photos from Cayo Coco!" innocent moment like Jarmo is downplaying. Clearly it's not though. You don't have to resign your position as head coach for that kind of stuff.

 

[Sniperberg]

If only there was a highly-active discussion thread where you could read about this.

I dont see it

 

[Pepper]

Am I the only one who's so confused what has actually happened?

Did Babcock ask players to show him family pictures on their phones or did he want to scroll through all pics players had on their phones? I mean theres a massive difference between those two options.

And I just cant see anything wrong if he simply wanted players to show family pics!

Now if he wanted the players to hand over their phones and scroll through the gallery, that's massive problem but I cant see anyone agreeing to that.

What a weird case.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

I am. They knew his history. They hired him. This is on their pointy little heads. Why do you hire the fox to guard the chicken coop?

Probably because all reports indicated that he did a lot of introspection and worked on himself. Whatever the f*** that means.

Of course, in the end, we all become exactly what we are.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I dont see it

Good luck to you.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

hey, let's try and ask our wives to see their phones tonight and see how we fare on that one eh?

Also add, I want to know what type of person you are!

 

[Bubbles]

 

[Saga of the Elk]

You do have to feel bad for the next coach though.

"You were supposed to clear the zone.. oh please stop crying. You did your best. It's ok."

 

[Zen Arcade]

It's super weird that Mike Babcock woke up one day and was like "hmmm, I'm going to start looking at everyone's phones."

 

[swiftwin]

You do have to feel bad for the next coach though.

"You were supposed to clear the zone.. oh please stop crying. You did your best. It's ok."

I'm confused. Are you implying that the players were upset that Babcock was hard on them for their on-ice performance? They haven't even played a game yet. Heck, they haven't even had a practice yet.

 

[Sniperberg]

Good luck to you.

Thank you

 

[Indrid Cold]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

 

[ponder719]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

Given that there was an NHL and NHLPA investigation into the allegations, I tend to suspect that he was judged based on the outcome of that investigation.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I wonder the type of shit coaches like Milbury and Keenan used to do...

 

[Zirakzigil]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

No. The NHLPA has also said that the beginning of the investigation was to confirm whether this was from players trying to be vindictive or not.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

He lost the right to the benefit of the doubt.

It’s largely why he resigned, I’m guessing.

It was gonna take an entire season for him to earn the players’ trust. They know his reputation coming in.

There was no fixing this, it seems.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I would love to know what Babcock really thinks. He didn't seem to think he did anything wrong in the preceding years and was the victim of a witchhunt. There were interviews following his departure from the Leafs and when the other stuff came out where he seemed pretty defiant, wasn't willing to admit where he was wrong. That tune sort of changed recently before the Columbus job but I think it was more of an act.

I just don't know if it's possible for him to act like this so soon if he really truly wanted to be different or change.

Would really love to know how he really feels. I mean, this is one heck of a fall from grace. He seemed to think he was the best thing ever and now he's become a joke.

Reminds me of the fall of the Cuomo's. Just wild.

 

[Lt Dan]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

what the funk are you talking about?

 

[Channelcat]

It's super weird that Mike Babcock woke up one day and was like "hmmm, I'm going to start looking at everyone's phones."

Im guessing this was his idea of being a "modern" coach.

 

[Kranix]

I am not a Babcock fan, but is it possible that he was judged based his reputation? That funk is hard to wash off.

You're five days behind.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I would love to know what Babcock really thinks. He didn't seem to think he did anything wrong in the preceding years and was the victim of a witchhunt. There were interviews following his departure from the Leafs and when the other stuff came out where he seemed pretty defiant, wasn't willing to admit where he was wrong. That tune sort of changed recently before the Columbas job but I think it was more of an act.

I just don't know if it's possible for him to act like this so soon if he really truly wanted to be different or change.

Would really love to know how he really feels. I mean, this is one heck of a fall from grace. He seemed to think he was the best thing ever and now he's become a joke.

Reminds me of the fall of the Cuomo's. Just wild.

I'm sure he's seething and feels incredulous and wronged.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Rofl at the idea that Babcock asked to scroll through Jarmo's phone during the interview

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Are they going to address whether Babs is still getting paid?

 

[Macman]

Yeah, because as it turns out the "Most Worthless Generation" the Boomers did pretty much everything completely bassackwards, including fielding these cultural and intellectual dinosaurs like Babcock, and my generation X and others following are now having to clean up their messes not just in hockey but in society generally. One has to wonder how many players would have had good careers but for them getting crossways with one of these "It's all about me" narcissists.

Kudos to these kids for leading another tyrannosaurus into the tar pit.

Yeah, the generation that had leading roles in ending a war and in the establishment of the civil rights, environmental, gay rights and women’s movements, as well as being at the forefront of the massive cultural changes of the ‘60s and ‘70s, is the most worthless generation ever. If your generation is cleaning up, you’re not doing a very good job.