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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

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JTG said:
Drafting Milroe accomplishes nothing. Fields is not even 4 years older than him and is coming up on his 5th season in the league.

I very seriously believe what Fields needed for his career happened last year. If they can get him WRs, he has no excuses to not perform.
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Even more funny that people on this board think that Tomlin will suddenly know how to develop a QB. He hasn't developed many Draft picks at all... his QB acumen is dogshit.

No way in hell he develops Milroe.
 
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I just don’t think I would get the path with Milroe on this team. He’s no where near ready I think to play in so how long do you wait to figure out what he is? Are you potentially punting on QBs in ‘26 or ‘27? Or do you still look for one then, which basically means you wasted a day 2 pick?
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
It's also possible that they do believe in Milroe and think he's a 1st round talent, and they just think they're taking advantage of Milroe's stock being down due to his horrid bowl game appearance.
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Unfortunately that's true, but I think we have pretty good reason to not trust their judgement when it comes to what a 1st round QB talent is. At lest with Tomlin. Guess we'll see with Khan.
Empoleon8771 said:
I have no objections with the idea of drafting a high risk, high reward QB in the 2nd or 3rd round to sit behind Fields. My objections in this case are specifically with Milroe, because he seems so flawed that I don't think the Steelers are the team that could develop him. This feels more like Willis than Hurts to me, and anything more than a late 3rd would make me very uncomfortable.
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Not only are the Steelers definitely not the team to develop him, there's a high chance that no team is. I feel like people are talking about this like all a QB needs is to be developed properly, but some guys just aren't good enough, ya know?

xlm34 said:
I just don’t think I would get the path with Milroe on this team. He’s no where near ready I think to play in so how long do you wait to figure out what he is? Are you potentially punting on QBs in ‘26 or ‘27? Or do you still look for one then, which basically means you wasted a day 2 pick?
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pistolpete11 said:
Unfortunately that's true, but I think we have pretty good reason to not trust their judgement when it comes to what a 1st round QB talent is. At lest with Tomlin. Guess we'll see with Khan.
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I think for me the big white hope here is Weidl. It feels like he's had a big impact on who to pick. He's also been part of picking a successful QB.



Tangentially, I wonder if there's been a deliberate move to older players. I feel like classically the Steelers have liked guys with only two years of college - lots of tread left on the tires - but it feels like the last couple of years, there's been a lot of very experienced college players, which feels like it's been a good thing.
 
Peat said:
I think for me the big white hope here is Weidl. It feels like he's had a big impact on who to pick. He's also been part of picking a successful QB.



Tangentially, I wonder if there's been a deliberate move to older players. I feel like classically the Steelers have liked guys with only two years of college - lots of tread left on the tires - but it feels like the last couple of years, there's been a lot of very experienced college players, which feels like it's been a good thing.
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I think it's because they knew we would be short on leadership. Not that it was right...but I understood why they did it.
 
JTG said:
I think with NIL we are going to see the same gripe as the players had when top 5 picks were making 60m and a 20th overall was making 1.2m. NIL has to be capped in some way. Top prospects and players who give a lot of time and publicity to the program should be compensated, but there is some disparity that shouldn't probably exist and I can see players getting pissed about it.

I think now programs have to prove they can develop. THey are going to want the top coaches, trainers, and therapists. College football is going to turn into an experience for these guys where they can tweak their bodies for 4 years while getting paid.




There was a 5% chance he bombed and the only reason was because he never faced adversity. No one knew how he would react. Jacksonville TOTALLY f***ed him though.

Lawrence doesn't have a dawg in him, I don't think. Never needed it.
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With revenue sharing starting this year it’ll only become more complicated.
 
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xlm34 said:
If it guaranteed it sure, but it doesn’t. I’m just not a massive fan of this team trying to tank. If it happens so be it, but even if you sell off everyone, you need to:

1.) Hope that you’re actually bad enough to get a top pick.

2.) Hope there’s a QB prospect worthy of taking with a top pick.

3.) Hope that QB is capable of overcoming the terrible roster that got you the top pick.

I’m not opposed to selling off some guys to pick up assets but I think maintaining a somewhat competitive roster and being very aggressive when the opportunity presents itself is the way I’d prefer this team to go.
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I don't disagree with this. A lot has to go right in this scenario, which rarely happens (their strategy seems to be; "We'll luck into someone", which is neither a plan nor a strategy) and this offensive coaching staff would need to be blown out for a franchise QB to be successful here; they have no clue how to develop a young QB.

They'll never "tank", but if they can play hard, get better as the season progresses, give teams a scare, you can see pieces you can build the team around. The assets you acquired can be used to get pieces that helps put this team over the top.
 
bambamcam4ever said:
Lol Ben Roethlisberger is in no way a generational talent
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Absolutely 1000% was. Put Ben in today's NFL and he's top 3, if not seriously battling for top spot. He played with Manning, Brady, and Brees before him, and Rivers, Rodgers, and Eli with him. I look back on my childhood football and I'm sort of sad I didn't appreciate how good QB'ing was back then.

Ernie Accorsi said that if it wasn't for knowing the Chargers liked Rivers over Ben, he would have taken Ben. Rivers said he was totally planning on being drafted by the Steelers.
 
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JTG said:
Absolutely 1000% was. Put Ben in today's NFL and he's top 3, if not seriously battling for top spot. He played with Manning, Brady, and Brees before him, and Rivers, Rodgers, and Eli with him. I look back on my childhood football and I'm sort of sad I didn't appreciate how good QB'ing was back then.

Ernie Accorsi said that if it wasn't for knowing the Chargers liked Rivers over Ben, he would have taken Ben. Rivers said he was totally planning on being drafted by the Steelers.
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I think I've seen multiple lists where Ben is listed as a TOP 20 NFL QB.... he was pretty good and clutch as f***.
 
Didn't see if this was posted but Kiper has us taking Egbuka in his latest mock

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Emeka Egbuka, WR, Ohio State

The last time the Steelers took a receiver in Round 1 was 2006, when they drafted Santonio Holmes at No. 25. But unless things drastically change in free agency, Pittsburgh has to break that streak. There aren't enough reliable pass catchers in this offense. The Steelers don't have a surefire WR2 behind George Pickens, and the offense isn't going to improve until they do something there, no matter the QB.

Egbuka caught six passes for 64 yards in Monday's national championship win, putting him over 1,000 yards on the season (1,011). It was also the second time in the past three years that Egbuka caught double-digit touchdowns (10). He's a great route runner with speed and would eat up targets in the Steelers' offense.
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Jeanty goes a pick before us to the Broncos.
 
JTG said:
Absolutely 1000% was. Put Ben in today's NFL and he's top 3, if not seriously battling for top spot. He played with Manning, Brady, and Brees before him, and Rivers, Rodgers, and Eli with him. I look back on my childhood football and I'm sort of sad I didn't appreciate how good QB'ing was back then.

Ernie Accorsi said that if it wasn't for knowing the Chargers liked Rivers over Ben, he would have taken Ben. Rivers said he was totally planning on being drafted by the Steelers.
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Lol. He was rarely even the best offensive player on the team. If you think Ben was ever anywhere close to Joe Burrow you can't evaluate QB talent.
 
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bambamcam4ever said:
Lol. He was rarely even the best offensive player on the team. If you think Ben was ever anywhere close to Joe Burrow you can't evaluate QB talent.
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Who compared him to Joe Burrow?

Calling him a generational talent doesn't mean he's better than the best. I watched that guy do shit in the pocket that I don't think I'll ever see again from a man his size.
 
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nsvoyageurs said:
I don't disagree with this. A lot has to go right in this scenario, which rarely happens (their strategy seems to be; "We'll luck into someone", which is neither a plan nor a strategy) and this offensive coaching staff would need to be blown out for a franchise QB to be successful here; they have no clue how to develop a young QB.

They'll never "tank", but if they can play hard, get better as the season progresses, give teams a scare, you can see pieces you can build the team around. The assets you acquired can be used to get pieces that helps put this team over the top.
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They will never tank on purpose, which is admirable.

However, they will never rebuild, which is necessary in a league that is built to punish mediocrity.

Tomlin will never do what’s best to turn this org around; he will always put the team together with duct tape and super glue just to keep his worthless streak going.

A league that punishes mediocrity and a coach who has become legendary for his mediocrity- guess where this is going.

The only hope is Khan has brass balls like the Chiefs and makes a big move as they did for Mahomes.

Chiefs lost to the Steelers in 2016, and knew they had to do something bold to change their fortunes.

Ironically, this is the last time the Steelers won in the playoffs - Tomlin’s 15 year high watermark against a QB the Chiefs knew they had to move on from if they wanted real success.
 
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Peat said:
Why do you say not that it was right? It looks like a good move to me.
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I don't think the correct picks were made, using hindsight. I get why they made those picks. They wanted older guys for a young room...but I think right now we would be in a better position if we just took the BPA at the time.

I thought we were going to pay for Linderbaum for a while, but we got Frazier.

bambamcam4ever said:
Lol. He was rarely even the best offensive player on the team. If you think Ben was ever anywhere close to Joe Burrow you can't evaluate QB talent.
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You don't like Roethlisberger...we get it.
 
Two things are simultaneously true about Ben:

1. He was an elite QB that will walk into the HOF and I really don't see how anyone disputes that.

2, Ben struggled in the postseason in a fashion that he'd have been crushed the way Lamar is had social media and talk shows been the way they are now back when he played.
 
JTG said:
Absolutely 1000% was. Put Ben in today's NFL and he's top 3, if not seriously battling for top spot. He played with Manning, Brady, and Brees before him, and Rivers, Rodgers, and Eli with him. I look back on my childhood football and I'm sort of sad I didn't appreciate how good QB'ing was back then.

Ernie Accorsi said that if it wasn't for knowing the Chargers liked Rivers over Ben, he would have taken Ben. Rivers said he was totally planning on being drafted by the Steelers.
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No ben wouldn’t be top 3 but he is hof. His post season performance and turnovers keep him out of the top 5
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
No ben wouldn’t be top 3 but he is hof. His post season performance and turnovers keep him out of the top 5
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Ben played in a totally different league. I don't give a shit what league you are playing...Ben is a Pro Bowler any year you want to pick. The veil has come off since he has retired. Are his postseason failures on him, or on the gameplan/prep? Because right now...not sure I'd put the playoff failures at the feet of Ben.

xlm34 said:
Like someone else said, the Ben talk is all semantics. He was a great QB but the term generational has lost all meaning in sports.
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Generational to me means they transcend the era they played. In the 2000's, that was the 2nd golden era for QB'ing. I think the 3rd one is coming here in the next 2-3 years.

Ben, Rivers, and Eli will always be underrated because of how good Brady, Manning, and Brees were.

Welcome to the offseason, everyone.
 
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