Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[AvroArrow]

Can we at least see the pics everyone got so worked up over? Let the people be the judge?

lol what??? Babcock basically got fired for going through the players personal pics, now you wanted those pics posted on an online forum ?

 

[TheRumble]

I dunno why so many people here are giving Mike Babcock the benefit of the doubt. If this was a guy with zero incidents on his resume, I'd understand. Bruce Boudreau? Barry Trotz? Mike Sullivan? Sure.

This is Babcock. Johan Franzen, Mitch Marner, Mike Modano, Chris Chelios, Mike Commodore have all had documented issues with this dude.

 

[brentashton]

After all this, I’m just glad that a serial mysoginist like Bissonette is held in such high regard..

:|

 

[Caroline Says ll]

I dunno why so many people here are giving Mike Babcock the benefit of the doubt. If this was a guy with zero incidents on his resume, I'd understand. Bruce Boudreau? Barry Trotz? Mike Sullivan? Sure.

This is Babcock. Johan Franzen, Mitch Marner, Mike Modano, Chris Chelios, Mike Commodore have all had documented issues with this dude.

It is because these losers have created a narrative in their head that players are soft now a days and need to be handheld and can't handle a tough coach like Babcock.

They will not read or respond to the various stories from previous years and players, because it goes against their misconception that Babcock has been wronged by cancel culture or soft players who can't take toughness.

What they don't understand is there is nothing tough about Babcock. There is nothing tough about lying, there is nothing tough about sneakily scratching players, there is nothing tough about manipulating rookies and youth players, there is nothing tough about breaking a player mentally.

All this deflecting as if Paul Bissonnette is the problem too is weird. He did not wrong anyone in this story. Babcock did. Good riddance.

 

[Nekomancer]

I would just say that I have pictures and/or videos that are of the private nature but I'm willing to show other stuff. When you're 18 and older you're suppose to have reached a level of maturity that makes you able to say no to certain things. If you haven't reached that level, like some of the Blue Jackets players haven't, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Simple as.

Ah so you simply don't understand power dynamics and abusive behavior. Simple as.

Maybe a player thinks, "this is my first NHL coach, I have to do what he says"; he controls their future. Maybe they say no, hey get their minutes cut. Maybe they get demoted to a lower line, get no time in camp even.

 

[Beesfan]

All he had to do was show up and coach the team. He just had to make it weird.

A 60yr old man shouldn’t be asking 18-20-something year olds to go through their private photos. Especially when he has authority over them. One would think that’s common sense.

Exactly this! The most concerning thing is that Babcock just cannot learn a lesson. He will not change at all with the times. It does not matter the consequences. Other coaches are hardasses too but are able to change and thrive in an environment where the players expect boundries to be maintained--Bruce Cassidy is a perfect example.

Good riddance to this guy.

 

[Hobnobs]

It is because these losers have created a narrative in their head that players are soft now a days and need to be handheld and can't handle a tough coach like Babcock.

They will not read or respond to the various stories from previous years and players, because it goes against their misconception that Babcock has been wronged by cancel culture or soft players who can't take toughness.

What they don't understand is there is nothing tough about Babcock. There is nothing tough about lying, there is nothing tough about sneakily scratching players, there is nothing tough about manipulating rookies and youth players, there is nothing tough about breaking a player mentally.

All this deflecting as if Paul Bissonnette is the problem too is weird. He did not wrong anyone in this story. Babcock did. Good riddance.

It's extra funny that they don't get the irony of holding that stance when at least two of the players are tough guys. Commodore and freakin Chelios from their "tough golden generation".

 

[Tripod]

I would just say that I have pictures and/or videos that are of the private nature but I'm willing to show other stuff. When you're 18 and older you're suppose to have reached a level of maturity that makes you able to say no to certain things. If you haven't reached that level, like some of the Blue Jackets players haven't, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Simple as.

Babs could go on FB, Instagram, etc... to see what these kids post to the public. Reality is, he WANTED to see what they they don't post. He wanted to use his position of power, to do something no employer should ever be allowed to do.

You seem to be missing the point that saying no, could come with life changing ramifications....icetine, games played....all lead to future contracts.

it's quite easy to see that Babs is the one at fault for even asking. Abuse of power.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I would just say that I have pictures and/or videos that are of the private nature but I'm willing to show other stuff. When you're 18 and older you're suppose to have reached a level of maturity that makes you able to say no to certain things. If you haven't reached that level, like some of the Blue Jackets players haven't, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Simple as.

Lol. You went from denying every report since they weren’t good enough sources according to you, to not passing judgement, to blaming the players.

You’re so out of touch.

 

[Jumptheshark]

For those calling players wimps.

Sounds like several BJ players told the NHLPA that Babs wanted to look at players phones and other things.

I am 52 and if my manager wants to see the photos or search history on my phone? F*ck that. It is my phone.

Babs is still a bully. He does not have the right to look at anything on my phone.
Police need to get a warrant to access phones--Babs wants it "just to see what kind of person I am"#


Hey--I am asshole you do not need to see my phone to know that--just talk with me

 

[Martin Skoula]

It is because these losers have created a narrative in their head that players are soft now a days and need to be handheld and can't handle a tough coach like Babcock.

They will not read or respond to the various stories from previous years and players, because it goes against their misconception that Babcock has been wronged by cancel culture or soft players who can't take toughness.

What they don't understand is there is nothing tough about Babcock. There is nothing tough about lying, there is nothing tough about sneakily scratching players, there is nothing tough about manipulating rookies and youth players, there is nothing tough about breaking a player mentally.

All this deflecting as if Paul Bissonnette is the problem too is weird. He did not wrong anyone in this story. Babcock did. Good riddance.

Not to mention Mike “the PP is my enforcer” Babcock’s teams are routinely the softest in the league despite him pretending he’s Chuck Norris on steroids.

 

[Peasy]

"I've always bet on Mike Babcock" - Mike Babcock November 2019.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Friedman says this is the end of Babcock in the NHL.



Most recent 32 thoughts



Friedman - a player came forward and he's not sure it was a CBJ player. Says the complaints didn't come from the CBJ, but other teams



One player said wait, this effects the younger players



Before the younger players spoke up, this was seemingly going to "go away"



Not exactly what said, but pretty much that.

Friedman says there was a meeting that had everyone concerned. It was the offsite meeting(so not at an NHL arena) and Babcock had it for several minutes and it sounds like the player wasn't around. Maybe in another room

Friedman says he got a wide variety of responses.

Says Babcock had to be squeaky clean. Puts emphasis on the off-site meeting. Says he was told Sunday this would lead to a dismissal/ re-sign ( )

Marek asked Friedman about what might happen with the higher ups.

He says whomever has the highest title, the puck ( hey-oh!) Stops there.

Says a lot of people hired Babcock. This isn't on one person.

Said he had a owner tell him "you know why I meddle so much ? Because of this"

Friedman thinks the owner of the BJs will have an internal evaluation and the results might not be known for a bit.

Not exactly that, but essentially.

Marek further adds that Babcock had a thin rope to walk on.

Further adds that they will need to look into who hired him, who approved it and who had some reservations about it.

Marty Walsh worked fast to get to the bottom of this.

Ron Hainsey - he was in Carolina when the Bill Peter's stuff happened and Hainsey stood up to him about his actions. Hainsey apparently stood up here, too, but played under Babcock in Toronto and only saw the "good" photosharing

Friedman thinks they will look at how this was handled and it will be a positive outlook for the players.

They talk about TNT standing by Biz when cold water was thrown on it at first by Jenner and others. They give kudos to TNT and how they stand by their players.

Wouldn't be surprised if this is a tongue in cheek comment about Sportsnet

Friedman mentions how the Columbus room will be. Will this be a problem with Jenner and Gaudreau who defended what happened to them, could that be an issue (divide the room)

Marek says he got a call from a player who played for Claude Noel who asked players to bring pictures in. Obviously not a smart phone, but bring whatever pictures you wanted 10-12, and then you'd get randomly selected and you'd have to do a presentation for your teammates and it was a great way to get to know your teammates.

Marek adds he just wanted to get 1 good picture sharing story out

 

[Oddbob]

If you see no issues with your authority figure/boss requesting your phone so that they can search and look through it then not much else to discuss here lol.

I didn't say there is no issue, just that it isn't that big of one.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I forgot that Babs made Modano a healthy scratch to stop him from getting to 1500 games played

 

[Oddbob]

I dunno why so many people here are giving Mike Babcock the benefit of the doubt. If this was a guy with zero incidents on his resume, I'd understand. Bruce Boudreau? Barry Trotz? Mike Sullivan? Sure.

This is Babcock. Johan Franzen, Mitch Marner, Mike Modano, Chris Chelios, Mike Commodore have all had documented issues with this dude.

Hahaha, Chelios and Modano have no issue other than they got benched for 1 game each. Commodore thinks Babcock ended or wrecked his career, when he was nothing special and was playing worse before he even got to Detroit. Commodore has an unnatural axe to grind with Babcock over anything. Babcock could say hello to someone and Commodore would find an issue with that.

Franzen is the only one with any serious issue with Babcock. Was he a douche to Marner, sure, but that isn't that big of a deal as there are plenty of idiots in the game of hockey.

 

[cbcwpg]

Whomever thought it was a good idea to hire Babcock in the first place should also be gone.

Seriously, given this man's history there was no freaking way he was getting thru a season without some issue coming up. Well, guess what... he couldn't even make it thru training camp.

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As far as what's on someone's phone.... If I post something online then I am giving the world permission to see it ( Now, if I don't realize that, well, then I'm just stupid and shouldn't even have a phone ) , but if I don't put it online, then it's nobody's business.

 

[crazy8888]

Doesen't even matter if this was trully as bad as some have made it out to be or if this is another wonderful thing brought to us by the idiotic cancel coulture.
Man i just feel bad for Jackets fans, they dont deserve this shit. The organization can spin this all they want and talk about how great the replacement is. BS! If was such a great fit he would have been hired as HC a long time ago. Instead they chose the controversial routre and instantly paid for it. And now the org is trying to spin it like this is all well and good. Just tell the truth Sorry fans, this sucks! We will do our best to navigate this situation. Most normal people would understand and move on. Not everything has to be a PR campaign

 

[Kranix]

I don't really like Commodore, and maybe he was washed up at the time, but if you were living your dream and you felt it was cut short wrongfully, and deliberately by one person, would you ever let that go?

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I would just say that I have pictures and/or videos that are of the private nature but I'm willing to show other stuff. When you're 18 and older you're suppose to have reached a level of maturity that makes you able to say no to certain things. If you haven't reached that level, like some of the Blue Jackets players haven't, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Simple as.

And now Babcock has decided he doesn't like what that says about you as a man and a player so congrats you get 8 mins of ice time a game or are a healthy scratch. Have fun with your next contract negotiations!

 

[Yoor]

So did he actually cross the line or not? Been following this story from a distance, so not sure if I missed something, but sounded like it was a whole lot of nothing.

What pictures did he look at? Surely the person allowed him to see the pictures? Can someone please educate me as to what exactly happened? I will admit I am not exactly up to par on this situation...

 

[King In The North]

No... it's not.

Lmao "if you've got nothing to hide you should have no reason not to let me in your phone".

Crazy how some ppl want to rationalize this.

 

[brentashton]

I don't really like Commodore, and maybe he was washed up at the time, but if you were living your dream and you felt it was cut short wrongfully, and deliberately by one person, would you ever let that go?

If I was a mature adult?

Yes.

 

[Oddbob]

I don't really like Commodore, and maybe he was washed up at the time, but if you were living your dream and you felt it was cut short wrongfully, and deliberately by one person, would you ever let that go?

Babcock did nothing to him. It was his last season and he played all of 17 games. He got traded to TB who didn't play him a whole lot more. He simply wasn't good, and he was now done in the NHL. Not defending Babcock here, but Commodore is a horrible barometer of why Babcock is bad. Go look at his stats just before coming to Detroit, they weren't good, and he wasn't even a regular on teams that had worse bluelines than Detroit.

 

[ponder719]

After all this, I’m just glad that a serial mysoginist like Bissonette is held in such high regard..

:|

I'll admit I don't have the patience to go through all 47 pages of this thread, but from what I have read, this feels less like holding Bissonnette in high regard, and more like that "HEARTBREAKING: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point" meme.