Pass the Saitl Sauce
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The act of just asking a player for private documents as a coach is a major red flag whether he looked though a phone or not (which he did)
Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*
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I would certainly agree with that...but why would a player give the coach his phone to scroll through...intimidation I guess..abuse of power nonetheless. So weird, you would think the guy would have learned his lesson. Guess not
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Does anyone have an inkling of what happened? Whats been speculated in the media couldn’t possibly have this reaction.
Pass the Saitl Sauce
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Exactly imagine what goes through the 6th round pick 18 year old head when Babcock requests that
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I think getting fired before your first practice with a team indicates that it was not a good hire.
Could just be me though.
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I cant defend or condemn anyone until I know what actually happened.
Peasy
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Yup, forcing a young player to do something that the police need a search warrant to do isn't that big of a deal
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Yeah its inappropriate and frankly hes using his power to make players do uncomfortable things. Gross stuff.
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Spill the beans. What did he do?Yup, forcing a young player to do something that the police need a search warrant to do isn't that big of a deal
Pass the Saitl Sauce
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The NHLPA director already said it was a lack of respect in the professional work place.
Mike Babcock is too high on Mike Babcocks imaginary wrench to respect other human beings. The embarrassment the players are serving all over his face is well deserved
Ragamuffin Gunner
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If you don't know what happened then you're not paying attention.
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32 Thoughts podcast: Mike Babcock resigns as Blue Jackets head coach
The Mike Babcock era has come and gone in Columbus. Jeff and Elliotte discuss Babcock resigning and how we got to this point with the Blue Jackets.
Friedman also said that the player might not have even been around when he was goin through his phone too.
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Not sure the legality in the US, but in Canada I'm pretty sure if he scrolls through (and/or transfers from players device to his, ie computer) and looks at any nudes sent to the player, for the players eyes only without the consent of the sender of the intimate image, that would be a violation of the law called "non-consentual distribution of intimate images", which can be either a summary offense or an indictable offense...if he put any of them up on his laptop, that would definitely qualify as a "transmission" of the intimate images under that law.
TheMoreYouKnow
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Most of those people are twenty or thirty somethings who have an attorney (their agent) probably at the top of their contacts list on their phones and would had to have discussions about legal issues before. Let's not turn NHL players into the equivalent of a 14 year old in juniors.
It sounds to me like the more established star players went along with the request as well, which means they either didn't think it was an issue or they'd also rather comply than have a difficult conversation with the coach. In fact, it sounds from the way the leak was reported that it's far more likely that the whole thing was leaked to Bissonette by a veteran player than by a random rookie.
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A small sample of publicly known facts:
1) There were reports of problematic behavior concerning player privacy
2) The league and PA investigated the reports
3) Babcock resigned before coaching a single regular season game, concurrent with the conclusion of that investigation
To me, that's enough to say something serious enough to warrant Babcock's separation occurred; if he had been exonerated by the investigation, then he'd still be CBJ's head coach. (There is a slim possibility he would have been exonerated, but just got personally fed up with the idea that he wouldn't be allowed to run the team exactly as he chose and got out of Dodge, but that seems substantially less plausible.)
At a bare minimum, it seems safe to say that Babcock's behavior and lapses in judgment were severe enough that his continued tenure as CBJ's head coach was untenable.
TheMoreYouKnow
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I'm not sure whether the fact that so many guys here talk about the phones being full of naked pictures of girls says more about them and how they use their phones than the CBJ players or Babcock. Maybe as a PSA - your phone is a bad place to keep your homemade porn. Just ask Justin Verlander.
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Whether or not it's a bad idea for people to use their phones they way they do is irrelevant. Babcock still doesn't have the right to go through them.
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I'm sure you go through your kid's diary, texts, and emails all time. It's not going to stop them from getting f***ed up out there in life though is it?
whats on the phone is erelevant. whats relevant is a 60 yr old boss pressuring a 20 yr old employee to show him whats on their phone. its not like he can quit and go work elsewhere. he could ruin his career if he says no.
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Did I say "full of"? Only has to be a couple in there for the issue to arise...and it wouldn't be an issue if the Coach didn't demand to go through your phone. If you don't think pro athletes get all kinds of pictures like that sent to them, especially the younger generation, I have several bridges I would like to sell you.
Just a PSA, keeping nudes on your phone doesn't give your boss the right to look at them or transfer them on his computer. Just for the bosses out there sweating because they didn't know they could get in trouble for something like this.
Suntouchable13
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Is Babcock and abusive asshole, yes. Is he a perv that only wanted to take a look at nudes? No, I don’t think so unless proven otherwise.
TheMoreYouKnow
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Yeah, but there's no indication that naked pictures are the issue here. Babcock is a classic coach who uses psychological pressure on players as a coaching method. This kind of action is designed to enforce conformity on the team and put players on their toes.
The reason these kind of techniques allow someone like Babcock to win Stanley Cups and Olympic medals is that they quite often work. They're very unpleasant for the players, and half the players on any roster he ever coached likely hate his guts, but they often get results. Of course, these methods basically lose whatever power they may have had when players have avenues to put pressure on the coach and thus can gain leverage.
It's obvious that this is the case now, so that's why Babcock's usefulness as a coach is basically zero at this point, and CBJ were very stupid for hiring him. But people who think this is about Babcock being a 'weirdo creep' or 'pervert' are missing the point entirely.
I strongly suspect that Babcock's reputation preceded him, and that most of the CBJ players knew they were in for a rough ride this coming season. I think that a number of those guys never had any intention of working with Babcock, they just knew that leaking what happens behind scenes will do the job for them. I'm not crying for Babcock here, I'm critical of the passive aggressive 'intrigue via leak' approach and have always been. It's toxic in its own way.
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