Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Maple Leaf]

what did he do

 

[PainForShane]

Calm down.


1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

Seems like you're proud to declare that you're as tone deaf / socially inept as Mike Babcock. Congratulations.

For everyone else, obviously rifling through a direct report's cell phone pics is a gross abuse of power / violation of privacy. NHLPA did the right thing by stepping in here

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well i'll say this. Normally the Jackets are an irrelevant franchise nobody ever talks about and well this has succeeded in making people talk about the Columbus Blue Jackets . Not in a good way but hey its something ...



Whats Babcocks recent resume though ? He was good in the 2000's but since then his teams did nothing. Not even winning a round in 10 years. Bringing him back out of coaching purgary was just a bad call.

The last time he got out of the 2nd round was when the Pens won the cup back in 2009. He had some of the most talented rosters in the league and disappointed on a regular basis.

Look at some of the names he was coaching in that span:

Lidstrom
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Rafalski
Kronwall
Holmstrom
Franzen
Rielly
Kadri

I think he significantly underperformed as a head coach throughout his career, but especially after his cup. You have to wonder if he his ego got too big after his cup.

 

[hossua34]

Calm down.


1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

*chews on a sprig of wheat*

I dunno about y'all, but it seems to me that this snowflake baby generation started turning rotten around NOVEMBER 2008. Everyone brought up before then seems to be alright. Mind ya, there was a few years there recently when things seemed to be a turnin' for the better... Kids got strong again, tough again, and it looked like we had this thing a headin' in the right direction... But since about the end of 2020/beginning of 2021, for SOME reason, we seem to be going back to hell in a handbasket with this cancel culture and sissy entitlement handout culture and I don't know why but BY GOLLY it aint right and it aint American and I want the good old days!

Low blow? Overreaction? It was justified... Now open up your phone and let us all fish around in there.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

Yeah, really hard to win gold medals with team Canada. The fact that they barely got past mediocre USA rosters is more of an indictment of his coaching.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

Mods should just shut this thread down now. 80% of the posts are just dipshits bickering at each other just like most of the posts on this site.

This isn't a site where people can talk hockey any longer.

That being said, this is similar to what the Canucks went through after Benning got fired. What does Columbus do now that their GM is on the hot-seat and they need a coach? If they hire a coach it might be the Boudreau situation all over again. Best they assign an interim coach while they figure out the GM situation.

 

[awegrzyn]

Mike Commodore must be opening up a champagne somewhere.

Btw, coach should not be fired for this. Looks very weak on players. All I would say to Bobcock: "No". They could not stand up to him and ran to the press.

 

[Divine]

Some more information coming out from various sources.

Such as this:

Mike Babcock resigns as Columbus Blue Jackets coach after NHLPA investigation

The Blue Jackets’ Mike Babcock era barely lasted three months and is over before the controversial coach could run the bench in a single game.

www.dispatch.com

A source told the Dispatch that one of the biggest things that changed the team's thinking was a player telling the NHLPA that Babcock held his phone "for an uncomfortable length of time," during a meeting in Columbus held somewhere other than Nationwide Arena. The player said Babcock looked through photos for "several minutes" and there was concern the coach would search his text messages.

Attempts to reach Babcock were unsuccessful.

A similar report on Sportsnet, citing "multiple" sources, nearly mirrors what the Dispatch was told. It said the alleged incident was "beyond the scope of what was initially understood to have occurred," which changed the team's stance.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Everything is quite a bit in the past now. Recently he was more mired in controversity . Might as well bring Mike Keenan out of retirement if you bring up Babcocks archivements This was not a good hire .

We will never know if it was a good hire or not since he wasn't allowed to coach.

No one has the right to force you to give them access to your personal life. Who knows what kind of pictures some players may have on their phone. It’s a reasonable expectation it’s private, hence why most people have passwords.

Name where it is claimed that he has forced anyone? And, yeah, who knows what kind of pictures some players have, it might be pictures of a certain gang rape that occurred on the night of a Hockey Canada gala June 18, 2018?

Now open up your phone and let us all fish around in there.

If you want to get to know me, sure. But I only have a couple of pictures of sunsets and wildlife so it's pretty boring.

Yeah, really hard to win gold medals with team Canada.

Ask Marc Crawford and Pat Quinn if it's hard.

 

[serp]

We will never know if it was a good hire or not since he wasn't allowed to coach.


Name where it is claimed that he has forced anyone? And, yeah, who knows what kind of pictures some players have, it might be pictures of a certain gang rape that occurred on the night of a Hockey Canada gala June 18, 2018?


If you want to get to know me, sure. But I only have a couple of pictures of sunsets and wildlife so it's pretty boring.


Ask Marc Crawford and Pat Quinn if it's hard.

Babcock seems to have pissed parts of the Blue Jackets roster with his wierd behavior enough without actually coaching the team that all parties involved felt he just couldn't be kept around to actually coach . Like its a bit of a suprise it happened this fast but not that it happened. It's what Babcock does .

 

[Chips]

Mods should just shut this thread down now. 80% of the posts are just dipshits bickering at each other just like most of the posts on this site.

This isn't a site where people can talk hockey any longer.

That being said, this is similar to what the Canucks went through after Benning got fired. What does Columbus do now that their GM is on the hot-seat and they need a coach? If they hire a coach it might be the Boudreau situation all over again. Best they assign an interim coach while they figure out the GM situation.

I bet they hire Gallant who proceeds to put their promising young players on the 4th line in a shit system he’s running

 

[oceanchild]

We will never know if it was a good hire or not since he wasn't allowed to coach.


Name where it is claimed that he has forced anyone? And, yeah, who knows what kind of pictures some players have, it might be pictures of a certain gang rape that occurred on the night of a Hockey Canada gala June 18, 2018?


If you want to get to know me, sure. But I only have a couple of pictures of sunsets and wildlife so it's pretty boring.


Ask Marc Crawford and Pat Quinn if it's hard.

You clearly don’t understand the power dynamics in the coach and player relationship, especially with younger players if you don’t understand that him requesting it at all is offside. It’s akin to men slapping secretaries on the butt back in the day and then blaming the women for dressing nice. Tone deaf would be an adequate description at the very least. Babcock is supposed to be this top notch coach, who knows how to inspire players to reach the peak of performance, but can’t even make it through the summer without causing an issue. I mean the game has passed him bye as coaching at this level is more than understanding the hard skills and it’s clearer he lacks the soft ones. Now back to the photos, just because someone doesn’t want to share, doesn’t make them a rapist, what kind of people do you hang out with, that you think people are hiding that type of photos on a cel phone. More likely a young lady sent photos that are ment to be private, or who knows, maybe a player is gay and not ready to come out and had photos of him and his partner enjoying a moment. But, non of that matter, because it ain’t non of our business what phots they have, and it sure ain’t there bosses F*@king business what photos they have. That doesn’t make them soft for not wanting to share and it’s to bad they didn’t go tell him to go $&”k himself, oh wait they did.

Bye Mike

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

what did he do

Hair was too perfect. MFer had to be taken down a notch.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Babcock seems to have pissed parts of the Blue Jackets roster with his wierd behavior enough without actually coaching the team that all parties involved felt he just couldn't be kept around to actually coach . Like its a bit of a suprise it happened this fast but not that it happened. It's what Babcock does .

I don't know if ''pissed off'' is the right word. It's not exactly a synonym to ''being uncomfortable''. As I've already written in this thread, I want more information before I can pass judgement on Babcock for this incident. I already despised him for what he did to Mike Modano.

 

[SEALBound]

He should have been out of the league after he made Marner write the "who works hardest list".

Hopefully this is the forever firing. I can't imagine how he gets a job, especially with younger kids after this.

 

[serp]

I don't know if ''pissed off'' is the right word. It's not exactly a synonym to ''being uncomfortable''. As I've already written in this thread, I want more information before I can pass judgement on Babcock for this incident. I already despised him for what he did to Mike Modano.

This wouldn't have happened if the Jackets brass and probably even Babcock himself felt like he could go on like nothing happened and just coach the team. We probably won't hear what exactly happened there for a while if ever but it doesn't seem like it was repairable with some players. Can't coach a team with any kind of success if part of your roster doesn't trust you

 

[Oddbob]

I honestly think this is a nothing burger kind of thing. If they don't want to show stuff on their phones than don't, he doesn't have the ability to force you to show your phone. Do I agree with Babcock? No! That said this isn't something that should lead to anyone getting fired or resigning. People are acting like Babcock is like one of the worst people on the planet, when the biggest things he has done to date, was ask a player for a list of low effort players and ask to see phone stuff.

I wouldn't have done either of those things as a coach, but they also aren't that big of a deal as far as piece of crap people are concerned. The stuff with Franzen is not really clear what he did, and would be the bigger deal of wrong doing.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Columbus brought in Tortorella after the nightmare year in Vancouver and it “worked out”.

They then decided they could do it again with Babcock years after the Toronto debacle. That’s my thinking at least.

It really was a totally unnecessary risk.

Both were hired by the same person in charge?

 

[ItWasJustified]

This wouldn't have happened if the Jackets brass and probably even Babcock himself felt like he could go on like nothing happened and just coach the team. We probably won't hear what exactly happened there for a while if ever but it doesn't seem like it was repairable with some players. Can't coach a team with any kind of success if part of your roster doesn't trust you

Trust on a personal level and trust on a professional level are two different things. It is famously said that all the players on Montreal Canadiens hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on the 365th they got their championship rings. And Scotty Bowman is regarded as the best NHL coach of all time.

 

[BigEezyE22]

Can we at least see the pics everyone got so worked up over? Let the people be the judge?

 

[serp]

Trust on a personal level and trust on a professional level are two different things. It is famously said that all the players on Montreal Canadiens hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on the 365th they got their championship rings. And Scotty Bowman is regarded as the best NHL coach of all time.

It's a bit different when the coach is a guy who has a tendency to snoop around players private lives which Babcock has a history of . Not to mention you really can't compare Babcock to Bowman and the Jackets are far from a contender probably not even really a playoff contender. This was just not going to work.

Also you have guys who played for both and won with both , like Chelios , and its just very different how they talk about Bowman and Babcock.

 

[hossua34]

If you want to get to know me, sure. But I only have a couple of pictures of sunsets and wildlife so it's pretty boring.

Great, you're a bore who doesn't care if your life is an open book. You have no right to expect others to be the same.

Pretend for a second you weren't, and instead you were a 20-something millionaire athlete, and the 5th or 6th thing on your phone was an intimate video your wife/girlfriend sent you to tide you over through a couple of weeks of prospect tournaments and training camps... I'm sure you'd be fine with your coach checking that out before training camp even starts "to see what kind of man you are."

This is a simple right-and-wrong issue. Demanding to go in someone's phone in this day in age is like demanding to put a camera in their bedroom. It's creepy, absurd, invasive, and literally the last thing you would want to do if you were trying to reform your image as an "abusive" coach/boss.

 

[Divine]

Can we at least see the pics everyone got so worked up over? Let the people be the judge?

Good one Babcock

 

[BigEezyE22]

Good one Babcock

Look, if these kids truly have something to hide, that's a point of concern, no?

 

[Vipers31]

Look, if these kids truly have something to hide, that's a point of concern, no?

No. That’s not how this works.