Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[PAZ]

Anyone wanna provide a recap of the Babcock saga?

 

[seventieslord]

i don't think you can fire NHL coaches

you can tell them to go home but no matter what the contracts are guaranteed... but the media reports them as fired when it's not technically true

when he was fired from the leafs for all those years he was getting paid. him not getting a coaching job tells me the leafs were refusing to allow teams to interview him.

What? No, it's the opposite. If another team wanted to sign Babcock they could, but it would nullify his Toronto contract. I know money doesn't really matter in Toronto, but they'd love that.

 

[CanadienShark]

It's a shame this isn't one of those "re-signing" vs "resigning" mix-ups.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Anyone wanna provide a recap of the Babcock saga?

Babcock lost his job because he's a tool. That's pretty much it.

 

[HTFN]

Anyone wanna provide a recap of the Babcock saga?

old dog, new tricks, failed immediately.

damn, that's basically the "for sale: baby shoes, never worn" of hockey jobs if it were supposed to be funny and not sad, since Babcock is Babcock and not an innocent baby.

 

[PainForShane]

Sports athlete is not a career, do you really think these athletes jobs can be compared to ours? These guys sign guaranteed contracts worth millions to play a game.

Not sure what your point is.

Obviously athletes have a different job than most of us, and yes like you said they are paid a lot of money. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Regardless of his players' salaries (again, wtf does that have to do with anything), Babcock is clearly in a position of power over his players, and it's a gross violation of privacy to use that power to rifle through someone's cell phone pictures.

Therefore Babcock was abusing his power, which is why Babcock was let go -- he wasn't respecting the players.

Lmk if you have any questions

 

[HaNotsri]

So did he actually cross the line or not? Been following this story from a distance, so not sure if I missed something, but sounded like it was a whole lot of nothing.

If you ask for an employees phone you have to go.

old dog, new tricks, failed immediately.

damn, that's basically the "for sale: baby shoes, never worn" of hockey jobs if it were supposed to be funny and not sad, since Babcock is Babcock and not an innocent baby.

Old coach, new job, NHLPA investigated

I still think yours is better but it works just stating the facts

 

[torniojaws]

This guy has serious issues that he needs to resolve

Why he does these mind games with players is beyond me

They serve no purpose in what he is hired to do which is coach and implement systems.

I'm more surprised he has never been physically attacked by a player.

 

[Chips]

Again you're not grasping it, he didn't forcefully take their phone from their hand, looking at someones phone that was given to him is not the same as grabbing someones phone from their hand that's stealing. Again no sources are claiming that.

Forcefully or otherwise coerced, or otherwise refusing to give it back, it’s still a big issue. Acquiring the phone ostensibly for one reason, but then doing something else would be an issue. Friedman reported it, and I just found another local reporter with his own source


“A source told the Dispatch that one of the biggest things that changed the team's thinking was a player telling the NHLPA that Babcock held his phone "for an uncomfortable length of time," during a meeting in Columbus held somewhere other than Nationwide Arena. The player said Babcock looked through photos for "several minutes" and there was concern the coach would search his text messages.”


Mike Babcock resigns as Columbus Blue Jackets coach after NHLPA investigation


Note it said “one of” the things, meaning there were multiple issues and potential issues… but consistently so far this phone incident is primarily being brought as a primary issue. I can’t imagine that would keep being brought up as an issue if there wasn’t an issue. It’s at least heavily implied.

“According to a source with knowledge of the NHLPA, it became clear that veteran players like Jenner were having a much different experience with Babcock than young players were having. What was reported by Bissonnette was "the tip of the iceberg," (espn)​

Players were concerned enough to complain to each other, word spread through player channels til it reach Biz who shined a light on it bringing the PA and league in, the PA almost half assed an investigation apparently just talking to Jenner and JG until they were contacted by younger players who seemed to care (and were actually there for the issues), and the PA investigation and conversations with the league and team apparently led to everyone seeing no other way forward. I doubt he just politely asked and had no issue returning it or staying within the bounds of what he was supposedly interested in.


idk why you’re determined to downplay it

 

[colchar]

The Leafs were actually hitting their stride. 2019 was probably the first time they could have won a playoff series, and they didn't, but they lost to a pretty darn good team. Babs is fired in November of 2019, a month and a half into a season, you really think it was Keefe that turned the Leafs around? He has won a single playoff series in his coaching career. And then they lost to a Cinderella team the next round, quite badly as well. Sorry, the guy hasn't had success, he's had plenty of playoff failures. Why he still has a job in Toronto is anyone's guess.

Keefe checked Shanny's phone and found some embarrassing stuff on it. Shanny popped into Keefe's office one day and saw the images on the office TV. From then on, Keefe's job was secure.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Anyone else enjoy the idea of Babcock spending 2 years coaching in Saskatchewan just to get another shot at coaching in the NHL, only to resign in disgrace because of his own stupidity?

He went on that whole "Babcock revival" media tour, talking about how much he's learned and how much he's changed, only to blow it before training camp lol. He probably thought he was gearing up for another 5-10 years of NHL coaching. Now I can't imagine he'll ever coach again.

It's schadenfreude central over here. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

 

[Chips]

It's a shame this isn't one of those "re-signing" vs "resigning" mix-ups.

Arguing grammar and such is always a loose loose situation.

Anyone else enjoy the idea of Babcock spending 2 years coaching in Saskatchewan just to get another shot at coaching in the NHL, only to resign in disgrace because of his own stupidity?

He went on that whole "Babcock revival" media tour, talking about how much he's learned and how much he's changed, only to blow it before training camp lol.

It's schadenfreude central over here. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

The sad thing is he’ll likely get some overpaid coach job at a lower level of hockey.. if there was a team of just 30s+ players he get get on without issue, but he shouldn’t be coaching youth.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Arguing grammar and such is always a loose loose situation.


The sad thing is he’ll likely get some overpaid coach job at a lower level of hockey.. if there was a team of just 30s+ players he get get on without issue, but he shouldn’t be coaching youth.

I can't imagine anyone touching him at this point. He already announced his retirement from coaching previously

Mike Babcock says he’s ‘retired’ from coaching: ‘It’s time to move on’ – Sportsnet.ca

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I'd be surprised if he went to coach anywhere else that's not in the NHL. I think he only agreed to the Saskatchewan post because he saw it as a path back to the NHL. I think the NHLPA has probably made it pretty clear that he's not going to be allowed to coach in this league again.

 

[ItWasJustified]

@ItWasJustified What conduct?

Yes, what conduct? What has he done specifically that is so heinous. Except asking players to share some photos and in one(?) case looked through the photos for ''several minutes'', which is at most is awkward and can be, depending on how it is done, a bit socially inept.

 

[Fantomas]

Babcock lost his job because he's a tool. That's pretty much it.

If I were Backcock, just coming off a scandal, lucky enough to somehow land a job I would be operating very carefully and thanking my lucky stars for the opportunity.

But that's just not the Babcock way.

 

[Chips]

does someone understand the mechanics, obviously the PA can investigate. If Babcock didn’t decide to resign and the team wouldn’t fire him, but the PA did find legit issues does the PA have some recourse officially? Some mechanism agreed with the league to make it a thing?

Or would it just be informal where the league initially stays out and lets the team deal with it, then step in if need be to decide the best course?

 

[ItWasJustified]

Weird how old coaches are recycled through. Why doesn’t the nhl look for younger coaches from minor leagues the same way they do for drafting players?

How is it weird that coaches are hired based on a résumé? We're talking about businesses worth millions of dollars. And every season there are new coaches, what in God's name are you on about? There's been 9 rookie coaches in the NHL since 2021.

 

[serp]

Well i'll say this. Normally the Jackets are an irrelevant franchise nobody ever talks about and well this has succeeded in making people talk about the Columbus Blue Jackets . Not in a good way but hey its something ...

How is it weird that coaches are hired based on a résumé? We're talking about businesses worth millions of dollars. And every season there are new coaches, what in God's name are you on about? There's been 9 rookie coaches in the NHL since 2021.

Whats Babcocks recent resume though ? He was good in the 2000's but since then his teams did nothing. Not even winning a round in 10 years. Bringing him back out of coaching purgary was just a bad call.

 

[ItWasJustified]

and it's a gross violation of privacy to use that power to rifle through someone's cell phone pictures.

Calm down.

Whats Babcocks recent resume though ? He was good in the 2000's but since then his team did nothing. Not even winning a round in 10 years.

1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

 

[serp]

Calm down.


1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

Everything is quite a bit in the past now. Recently he was more mired in controversity . Might as well bring Mike Keenan out of retirement if you bring up Babcocks archivements This was not a good hire .

 

[oceanchild]

Well that’s the end of spittin chiclets if true. NHL players gonna be very cautious talking w those idiots

What, for sticking up for them in a case of work place abuse. I think it’s worse than being reported and that Babcock is gone because the NHLPA would have shared what happened if the change wasn’t made. I also bet that spittin chiclets is going to be held in high regard for taking this battle on for younger players scared to come forward. This is exactly what’s needed, people shouldn’t have to put up with BS because some boomer likes to use leverage as a tool.

Bye Mike, don’t let the door hit ya.

Calm down.


1 Stanley Cup and two Olympic Gold Medals is a better résumé than ''being a coach in the minors'' for some years.

Calm down, he is absolute correct.

No one has the right to force you to give them access to your personal life. Who knows what kind of pictures some players may have on their phone. It’s a reasonable expectation it’s private, hence why most people have passwords.

 

[oceanchild]

Sports athlete is not a career, do you really think these athletes jobs can be compared to ours? These guys sign guaranteed contracts worth millions to play a game.

Being a professional is absolutely a career, but a job and it’s comparable to anyone that reaches the apex of their profession. Business is a game when played at a high enough level, so is Law.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If I were Backcock, just coming off a scandal, lucky enough to somehow land a job I would be operating very carefully and thanking my lucky stars for the opportunity.

But that's just not the Babcock way.

Yeah. Hard to come away from this thinking he's anything but an idiot. Either he knew his actions were reckless and he didn't care, or he didn't understand that his actions were reckless.

Either way, it's pure stupidity. I think in this case his ego got in the way. He likely knew that he was crossing a line but thought that he'd be protected because he's Mike Babcock. And while his team tried to give him some cover, he underestimated the NHLPA, who was probably looking for a reason to get rid of him. Which he really should have seen coming.

 

[YippieKaey]

Today im gonna steal my coworkers phones and look at them. Im not one of them "new generation sissies" and im gonna prove it.

 

[oceanchild]

Today im gonna steal my coworkers phones and look at them. Im not one of them "new generation sissies" and im gonna prove it.

Huh? I’m not even sure what you’re saying here.