Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Chips]

Because you said sources have made the claim Babs literally took peoples phones from them, and I showed you the original didn’t even claim that, and even the sources today aren't claiming that, but you insist they are.... It's not about being caught up on that, it's about finding what sources you claim are saying what you're claiming.

Edit: wooosahhh


Yes, multiple people have reported that he went through a players phone from several minutes. It is a fact that that’s been reported, and given who’s reporting it most reasonable would accept it as likely given that’s not been challenged since. Idk what’s hard to grasp about that


What does the original podcast have to do with the former paragraph? The SC podcast alerted people that there was an issue. Actual journalists and insiders looked into it. There was a problem and the most specific detail reported by proven legit insider/journalists said he were told he went through a players phone for several minutes


Google the orgs roster of players and prospects. It’s not just Boone Jenner.


Whether or not Jenner detail was misunderstood about the airplay *or whether he was primarily downplaying the characterization of it (ie saying he didn’t care about it. He didn’t say the air-played detail was wrong), we know Biz isn’t a journalist and was imperfect about it. But he wasn’t wrong that there were issues and insisted as we now know the multiple players were uncomfortable.

Mike Babcock resigns as Blue Jackets head coach following photo controversy


“According to multiple sources, one of the most serious concerns was a meeting that occurred away from team facilities that included “several minutes” of looking through a phone. That was beyond the scope of what was initially understood to have occurred.“


I’m pretty sure one or both of either the recent 32 Thoughts or Russo’s Wild podcast the other day mentioned they heard something like that as well.


Edit: fair enough if that sentence wasn’t specific as I thought. I could be wrong but I’d definitely be confused how a player holding his own phone would be in that situation for several minutes lol. I would like to know that one, maybe he pressured the player somehow or another, or made weird comments

 

[Divine]

I'm not questioning that Holland told him that.

I'm not giving Babcock any benefit of the doubt. I'm just not inventing things he's done with zero evidence.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Twice.

You're saying he scratched him unknowing of the milestone. There's no evidence he didn't know that Modano was going to hit 1500 games.

In addition to that, you go on to give him the benefit of doubt by saying him not telling anyone prior to the game was coincidence - rather than by design.

That's two benefits of the doubt right there. Both in his favour.

 

[eramosat]

Mike Babcock will not be fine. Despite all those accomplishments he yearned for more and he will always. He could have disappeared after the embarrassment following his last firing, but he went to be an asshole in Saskatchewan waiting for someone to call. It’s going to kill him that he will never coach in the NHL again. All he can do is shrink away.

...hopefully he doesn't hit you with his wallet while he shrinks away from your withering attack...

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Would you though?

You and your parents have spent 20 years getting you to the point of ‘making it’ the guy who decides whether you do has your balls in a vice and asks to see your phone. 9/10 times you’re showing it. Also, you’re not the 1/10.

I'm not nineteen years old and on the verge of making millions of dollars. I'm not the one in ten brother. I'm not the one in close to a million these young guys are. What he did is a gross abuse of power and he absolutely should be fired for it. I think you took what I said in a way I didn't mean it.

 

[Korpse]

...hopefully he doesn't hit you with his wallet while he shrinks away from your withering attack...

Not too worried. Babcock is just a little man.

Sorry he is a fragile little flower.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Mike Modano talked about it. Basically he said Babcock waited until the moment of the game to announce the healthy scratch so no one could do anything. A bunch of players were livid, even Ken Holland was upset and said had he known in advance he would have overruled Babcock - but Babcock intentionally waited so no one would know or could stop him

Wait a moment.............wait...............

Am I an idiot............. this dude scratched Spezza game 1 which was vs the Senators..............

I think this is true..........and really f'd up.

You're telling me that wasn't the first time he did that?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt.

You're saying he scratched him unknowingly. There's no evidence he didn't know that Modano was going to hit 1500 games.

I actually state in my post that at some point I'm guessing he found out it would keep him from getting to 1,500 games. How is that me saying he scratched him unknowingly??

 

[Divine]

I actually state in my post that at some point I'm guessing he found out it would keep him from getting to 1,500 games. How is that me saying he scratched him unknowingly??

During the fact or after the fact?

If you're arguing that he knew, then we're in agreement. I also believe that he didn't tell anyone because he didn't want them to be able to overrule him, because we know Babcock loves his power dynamics.

 

[MXD]

This is one of the most ridiculous situations I’ve ever seen and I’ve been following this league a long time. Everyone has to get fired for this right?

Being fired means getting full compensation.
Babcock resigned as a way to avoid an investigation that could've led to a termination (meaning no compensation).

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Holy shit how are you not grasping it


Yes, multiple people have reported that he went through a players phone from several minutes. It is a fact that that’s been reported, and given who’s reporting it most reasonable would accept it as likely given that’s not been challenged since. Idk what’s hard to grasp about that


What does the original podcast have to do with the former paragraph? The SC podcast alerted people that there was an issue. Actual journalists and insiders looked into it. There was a problem and the most specific detail reported by proven legit insider/journalists said they were told he went through a players phone for several minutes


Google the orgs roster of players and prospects. It’s not just Boone Jenner.


Whether or not Jenner detail was misunderstood about the airplay *or whether he was primarily downplaying the characterization of it (ie saying he didn’t care about it. He didn’t say the air-played detail was wrong), we know Biz isn’t a journalist and was imperfect about it. But he wasn’t wrong that there were issues and insisted as we now know the multiple players were uncomfortable.

Mike Babcock resigns as Blue Jackets head coach following photo controversy


“According to multiple sources, one of the most serious concerns was a meeting that occurred away from team facilities that included “several minutes” of looking through a phone. That was beyond the scope of what was initially understood to have occurred.“


I’m pretty sure one or both of either the recent 32 Thoughts or Russo’s Wild podcast the other day mentioned they heard something like that as well.

Again you're not grasping it, he didn't forcefully take their phone from their hand, looking at someones phone that was given to him is not the same as grabbing someones phone from their hand that's stealing. Again no sources are claiming that.

 

[Divine]

Wait a moment.............wait...............

Am I an idiot............. this dude scratched Spezza game 1 which was vs the Senators..............

I think this is true..........and really f'd up.

You're telling me that wasn't the first time he did that?

He scratched Modano, leaving him with 1499 career games instead of 1500.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

So what probably happened after Jenner had his thing with Babs, he talked to a player and that player talk to a player, or another player over heard what happened, and then one of the players who found out was scared and said hey let's contact spittin chiclets, they can talk about it and maybe then I won't have to show Babs my photos. So they do that, then it's out to the public and Jenner then denies it happened like it was reported, so everything is good, then some players who probably just don't like Babs decide well will tell the NHL we were uncomfortable about it now, then maybe he will have to resign, makes sense now.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Again you're not grasping it, he didn't forcefully take their phone from their hand, looking at someones phone that was given to him is not the same as grabbing someones phone from their hand that's stealing. Again no sources are claiming that.

No sources have stated either way. But, honestly, it's a dumb thing to even ask.

 

[stevo61]

Who's Pascal Vincent?

He got 2 games as head coach with Larsen away sick and instead of just going with the flow chose to try the Laine at center expirement. Hes creative and clearly not scared to try new things.

Before the Babcock hiring I was actually hoping for Vincent to get the job

 

[Pyrophorus]

Jarmo's seat must be ablaze by now

 

[DopeyFish]

Being fired means getting full compensation.
Babcock resigned as a way to avoid an investigation that could've led to a termination (meaning no compensation).

i don't think you can fire NHL coaches

you can tell them to go home but no matter what the contracts are guaranteed... but the media reports them as fired when it's not technically true

when he was fired from the leafs for all those years he was getting paid. him not getting a coaching job tells me the leafs were refusing to allow teams to interview him.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

No sources have stated either way. But, honestly, it's a dumb thing to even ask.

It's a dumb thing to claim if it hasn't been claimed

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Twice.

You're saying he scratched him unknowing of the milestone. There's no evidence he didn't know that Modano was going to hit 1500 games.

In addition to that, you go on to give him the benefit of doubt by saying him not telling anyone prior to the game was coincidence - rather than by design.

That's two benefits of the doubt right there. Both in his favour.

Are you being serious right now?

I never said it was coincidence. I said there is zero evidence him not telling anyone was intentional to prevent anyone from stopping it. I have no idea what his intentions were.

My refusal to go along with your invented scenario is not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not accusing him of things there's no evidence of.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

So what probably happened after Jenner had his thing with Babs, he talked to a player and that player talk to a player, or another player over heard what happened, and then one of the players who found out was scared and said hey let's contact spittin chiclets, they can talk about it and maybe then I won't have to show Babs my photos. So they do that, then it's out to the public and Jenner then denies it happened like it was reported, so everything is good, then some players who probably just don't like Babs decide well will tell the NHL we were uncomfortable about it now, then maybe he will have to resign, makes sense now.

This happened a while ago, based on what Jenner said about Babs asking about his upcoming wedding, which, as of today, was over a month ago. So, the feed it to the media so I don't have to angle requires some stretching.

 

[WhataKnight]

Kinda like the chance Vincent has.

“It’s my responsibility now - and I’m going to demand a shit ton from you. I’m going to push you. Clean slate. Hit the ice.”

 

[MXD]

i don't think you can fire NHL coaches

you can tell them to go home but no matter what the contracts are guaranteed... but the media reports them as fired when it's not technically true

when he was fired from the leafs for all those years he was getting paid. him not getting a coaching job tells me the leafs were refusing to allow teams to interview him.

I mean, yeah, you're right.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

It's a dumb thing to claim if it hasn't been claimed

No. I'm saying even asking to scroll through a phone is dumb. Doing it to union members is even stupider.

 

[DopeyFish]

I mean, yeah, you're right.

but a resignation on the other hand may actually remove the contract since it's coach actioned and not team actioned

 

[Divine]

Are you being serious right now?

I never said it was coincidence. I said there is zero evidence him not telling anyone was intentional to prevent anyone from stopping it. I have no idea what his intentions were.

My refusal to go along with your invented scenario is not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not accusing him of things there's no evidence of.

You're giving him the benefit of the doubt.

You're assuming because Mike Babcock didn't admit to doing it intentionally, that it wasn't done intentionally.

In your scenerio, the only person who could possibly provide evidence is Mike Babcock.

Your assumption that a man with a career of being vindictive was not being vindictive in this case because he did not not openly admit to it means to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

but a resignation on the other hand may actually remove the contract since it's coach actioned and not team actioned

Yeah, coaches have guaranteed contracts, but I'd guess there are clauses for resignations and serious issues.