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Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

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LeafGrief said:
Dude people are practically creaming their pants at the chance to dunk on Babs and there’s a thread in the polls section about whether Jarmo needs to go. “Frothing” doesn’t just refer to anger, people have got their pitchforks out and are having a grand old time.

Sure, some people are big mad that the NHL has “gone soft” or whatever the f*** that means, but what those opinions are has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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If you have limited success and then make a risky hire, then that hire backfires almost immediately, doesn't that warrant fans wanting Jarmo out? Why does he deserve more time?
 
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Barstool put out that sketch a couple days ago reenacting what was alleged that was pretty outrageous. We may never know how close to the truth it was though.
 
LeafGrief said:
This isn’t someone being a big piece of shit though. This is more egregious than a faux pas, but is not evidence of the man being Satan.

I have no idea why they hired him if they weren’t going to back him for something this minor.

Most of the rest of your comment is just piling on about how much of a dbag he is, which while true, just reinforces my thought that this whole thing is due to demand for scandal and this being the most convenient.
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what demand? You are in some view acting like there was this rallying of people demanding he be fired or resign. That wasn't anything I've seen. While you're making it up like something people wanted to happen, just seems like you doing what you're complaining about.

I've seen way way WAY more people saying Jarmo should be fired than any people during this past week saying it about Babcock. And Jarmo is a performance/too many mess-ups like this
 
PK Cronin said:
If you have limited success and then make a risky hire, then that hire backfires almost immediately, doesn't that warrant fans wanting Jarmo out? Why does he deserve more time?
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He's by far the most successful GM in team history, with more accomplishments than every single other GM that has ever been here combined and doubled. He takes heavy risks, and most of the time they've panned out.

This one's backfiring is likely too heavy to ignore. But he's likely earned at least one last chance to redeem himself, even if it's unlikely. Especially given that it's probably best for the team to quitely move on and focus on this coming season. If he gets fired, it'll probably be next summer.
 
Chips said:
Are they even together yet? The report was it happened off site and the training camp hasn’t started. Sounds like Babs was calling people and asking to meet them ahead of stuff starting and they obliged.


I was assuming Babs did something but I’m not ready to assume the worse about the player leadership
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I was speaking of "the room" figuratively. They should have addressed it with their teammates/leaders rather than text the media first.
 
CapitalsCupReality said:
Hell of a coach…..but a manipulative scumbag.
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I mean if you analyze his resume, recent results are not that impressive. Olympic Gold Medals won with quite possibly the most stacked Canadian team(s) in history, 1 Stanley Cup win and 2 finals appearances...and in spite of that, the last 10 years, he's had multiple first round + second round exits. I can't imagine Leafs fans are happy with 50mil to the guy for what amounts to 3 first round exits.
 
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Viqsi said:
The problem is that that assumes that we trust Biz/Whit, and those guys' past record with the Jackets has been something beyond mere trash. We've only ever existed as a punchline to them at best. So the idea that they had heard something that someone else had blown out of porportion and didn't bother to follow up because "lol columbus" frankly, given their track record, made more sense than Babcock gaslighting our vets and the NHLPA.

Maybe if it was a market that Biz/Whit didn't constantly crap on when they weren't ignoring it, we'd have listened to them.
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Fans confuse this a lot, but making a joke of a franchise isn’t the same thing as hating a franchise. I don’t think Biz would stake his job and podcast rep bullshitting serious allegations


Not to say he perfectly upheld journalistic standards, but he’d piss off the league, PA higher ups, and players generally by making something up then tripling down so publicly.
 
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norrisnick said:
Hope the resignation wasn't with an agreement to bury the investigation findings.
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Very likely that's what happened: The NHLPA started interviewing players, found much worse dirt, informed the League, and the League mandated that it all be swept under the rug as quickly and quietly as possible. We will not find out what happened until some involved player finally ends his career for good and speaks up, at which point the League will shrug and say that it is old news.
 
Kranix said:
It's unfortunate you encountered that. I for one am not seeing this as an opportunity to shit on Columbus, the team, the fans.
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Management does but that's about it. I think veterans should have enough goodwill to (at least for now) give them the benefit of the doubt. Jarmo and Davidson deserve zero.
 
Chips said:
Fans confuse this a lot, but making a joke of a franchise isn’t the same thing as hating a franchise. I don’t think Biz would stake his job and podcast rep bullshitting serious allegations
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We've seen much, much worse from others get dismissed with a shrug and a "lol columbus".

I mean, I try not to make my every post here be about a persecution complex but it really is that bad towards some markets.
 
kook10 said:
I was speaking of "the room" figuratively. They should have addressed it with their teammates/leaders rather than text the media first.
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True, but if the involved players don’t know the vets well yet; also league culture I admittedly wouldn’t be surprised if the vets would pressure the young players “let’s deal with this in house” (which might not have meaningful results )


Also not really sure if they told Biz wanting him to blow it up. The only texts he showed was a non current player who heard about it. They could have been talking and complaining to other players and it spread
 
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kook10 said:
I was speaking of "the room" figuratively. They should have addressed it with their teammates/leaders rather than text the media first.
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I'm pretty sure that's why Biz hesitated to bring it up at first and then said f it (if you watch back the clip), he knew it would put Jenner and some of the other guys in a tough spot but felt it needed to be done. I'm sure if Biz could do it again he would, but maybe would have done it without outing Jenner, probably gets the same result of Babcock gone but we don't get the Jenner or Gaudreau statements.
 
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ClydeLee said:
what demand? You are in some view acting like there was this rallying of people demanding he be fired or resign. That wasn't anything I've seen. While you're making it up like something people wanted to happen, just seems like you doing what you're complaining about.

I've seen way way WAY more people saying Jarmo should be fired than any people during this past week saying it about Babcock. And Jarmo is a performance/too many mess-ups like this
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What demand? Uh, *gestures broadly at the internet and this thread*

There was literally a thread full of people saying Babock should be fired, this thread is full of people saying good riddance and there's posts calling for heads to keep rolling. Stripping Boone Jenner of the C because he backed Babcock. I mean it's cool if you haven't seen these things, but I read your post as if someone wrote out "Nobody ever wants to see crashes in NASCAR". Sort of true, but also completely not the case. Nobody wants a scandal, but the moment there is one, boy oh boy do they get excited and start posting. This is a coach going through a player's phone, it's the sort of thing that shouldn't happen and it was inappropriate, but I'm perfectly content to point out that the mob is wildly overreacting. The sheer number of hilarious "well ackshually" replies and laugh reactions I've received has really driven this home.
 
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JS19 said:
I mean if you analyze his resume, recent results are not that impressive. Olympic Gold Medals won with quite possibly the most stacked Canadian team(s) in history, 1 Stanley Cup win and 2 finals appearances...and in spite of that, the last 10 years, he's had multiple first round + second round exits. I can't imagine Leafs fans are happy with 50mil to the guy for what amounts to 3 first round exits.
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You forgot to mention that he finished dead last in the league his first season with the Leafs by purposely tanking.
 
Even if Babcock was innocent which he probably isn’t, he has to go. It’s clear no matter what, he will always be a lightning rod for this stuff as he’s hated by the majority of the league and media. That is a major distraction alone. Oh well…

Babcock was severely overrated because he coached a dynasty and coached a team which had a goalie steal every series to get to the finals. Way overrated and not worth the drama
 
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