Moonman
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Babcock made that team boring to watch.
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Al14
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Babcock took a team full of race horses, and demanded that they be plow horses.
Babcock seriously held this team back. He should have been fired in late April of 2019!
Babcock seriously held this team back. He should have been fired in late April of 2019!
Martin Skoula
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They even managed to barely beat powerhouse Latvia 2-1. I don't know how you can top that.
one bounce here and one bounce there and they might've ended up choking the 2010 Gold as well. As historical as it was to see Crosby score the OT winner, with the roster Canada had compared to the USA, that game should have never went to OT in the first place.
zeke
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a beautiful one goal win, though.
Olympics matter most, and NHL players participated for the first time in 98 where the literal greatest goalie of all time happened as well as babcock like decisions leading up to it. https://www.cbc.ca/sportslongform/entry/1998-olympic-hockey
2002 win.
2006 same Babcockian logic. Sidney Crosby, Eric Staal, Jason Spezza left OUT. Spezza and Staal were alternates and Crosby was completely left out. Shane Doan of all people, who was an all right player was on the roster.
2010 they should have done better than an overtime win but they got it done. Still, not a good look considering how much stronger Canada was than the USA.
2014 was pretty boring hockey but they got it done.
We should be fair to Latvia, they had one hell of a goaltending performance. That was the only reason it wasn’t a blowout.
Martin Skoula
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zeke
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He played a few games with Tampa, has really good NHL numbers. He’s currently a free agent though. Seems to have struggled in the AHL.
mallory67
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Yeah he was a real longshot underdog on those Golds.
All he had to work with was: Crosby, Brodeur, Doughty, Niedermeyer, Weber, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Iginla, Thornton, Marleau, Pronger, Keith, Seabrook, Fleury, Nash, Tavares, Price, Benn, Subban and Toews.
He whipped a bunch of no-names into a couple of Gold medal teams ...
A1LeafNation
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Every move that looks like a bad move from Babcock was probably an act of defiance against Dubas.
Guessing Babcock thought he would win that battle.
No GM is gonna hire this guy...would they?
Guessing Babcock thought he would win that battle.
No GM is gonna hire this guy...would they?
If he wants to coach he’ll easily find a job. I think he’ll take the season off though.
Yet Pat Quinn, Glen Sather, and Marc Crawford have all failed to do so with arguably better pools of talent. Babcock wasn't working here and it was time to move on, it doesn't mean we should just belittle his actual accomplishments. His first 3 seasons here were all good in their own ways. Last year was a regression, and this year he showed it was time to go. Guys like him probably have a shelf life, but that doesn't mean they can't be good or effective coaches in the right circumstances.
Umm, he's insanely well connected in the Hockey Canada network. If he wants another job, he'll get one.
ToMaLe
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I wouldn't even hire Babcock to sell snow cones at the games never mind coach.
Man Bear Pig
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I'd still take Babcock over quite a few currently employed NHL coaches. Let's not forget that we had guys like Wilson and Carlyle here in recent years.
I dont think so. I think alot of people are changing their attitudes on hockey especially GMs. New game, younger coucher and people who are more open. I think he's closed the door on alot of places.
He's heavily connected in the most important network to get a job in the NHL, which is the Hockey Canada network. I mean, seriously, we saw Hitchcock get a job last year (primarily through the hockey Canada network).
We basically have two GM's who fit your description out of 32.
That's a fair point. I think it's already trending though to modernize and with the recent stuff that's come out I don't think alot of people are going to want to be close to Babcock. He's clearly treated a bunch of people horribly, and while not the same as Peters, he is considered connected to him. I think some wouldn't hire him, he's not a great coach and now he has a bad reputation.
Exactly. Babcock was a step up from what the team previously had. Now granted, some of those teams before him were pretty bad, so you can't exactly squeeze blood from a stone. The point where I said "okay, he's gotta redeem himself big time for this" was the playoffs, where he gave ice time to Marleau instead of Matthews when the team was down. He was given a chance to prove he could turn it around, and the team did have some injuries to deal with, so the lineup was not exactly prime. But after watching him pull the goalie with 2 minutes left, when the team didn't even have possession of the puck after dumping it into the zone, and getting scored on every single time, I knew it was time for him to go.
He's missed the playoffs twice in sixteen years and been fired once despite working for 3 NHL teams. I know it was time for him to go, but his as much as the local media wants to tear him down, his reputation isn't bad, it's not what it was, but it's not bad. He challenged some people in a way people found off-putting, but this is professional sports, a ton of shit is tolerated if you believe it will get you results. He's probably not a candidate for every job in the league, but considering about 20% to 25% turnover their coaching staff every season. 19 of the NHL current 31 NHL coaches were not with their team prior to the end of the 2016-17 regular season (that also doesn't count a guy like Housley and Hitchcock in Dallas being hired full-time and fired in that time-frame) and only 3 coaches were with their current team prior to us hiring Babs. He'll be a candidate for at least 50% of those jobs and probably closer to 75%. Also, keep in mind that 10 of these 19 coaches had previous head coaching experience. Do you really think if we see between 12-16 coaching changes in the next 24 months (not an uncommon expectation) that someone with Babs resume won't get one of those jobs?
ICBM
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I have no doubt that Babcock firing was a well organized coup. They have replaced two key dmen, Zaytsev and Hainsey, who wouldn't cooperate... After that they had no problem at all. I was never a fan of Babcock, but he wasn't that bad. Suspicious loses at home... lots of games left to make the playoffs. Weak competition. Well calculated moves.
HomerJLeafs
i just hope we make the POs
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not gonna happen
the shine is completely off
not only he is an overrated bad coach
but an absolute bad bad person too
i do not think any broadcaster wants to be associated with that
