Post-Game Talk: B2B spankings, Jets lose 7-4

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This is very interesting. This is Johnny Gaudreau and his father talking about Darrell Sutter.

That accountability — in life and in hockey — was just what his son needed. It was, apparently, what a lot of players on the Flames needed this season, judging by the way the club has performed during the 2021-22 campaign.

And it’s why Guy sees a lot of himself in Sutter: because it’s what drives his coaching philosophy, too.

“They’ve gotta be called out, these guys,” Guy noted. “They’re pros but they’re still people. If you let him get away with something, they’re going to get away with more and more and more. So, you’ve gotta challenge them. Everybody’s gotta be on the same page and the same playing grounds. If you’re not playing the right way …”

Honestly the lack of accountability seems more like an organizational flaw and it feels too easy pointing the finger at the coaches. That isn't meant to excuse the coaches either, Maurice deserves a ton of blame. I hope that it hasn't bled so far down that it's made players we know can be great like Scheifele uncoachable.

As much as I gripe on individual players I've come to think a lot of problems are a symptom of a problem further up the chain.

 

[WickedPegJets]

There's part of me kind of hoping for it.

Iron Mike Babcock will coach the Jets next season.

 

[DRW204]

The usually soft spoken KC with relatively scathing commentary on the room and culture. Ehlers the night before talked about accountability. Imo all 3 guys that wear letters can be replaced, along with the GM who enables this culture. Time to the a new leaf.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Exactly.

Our Captain is so disliked by the media that they refuse to ask for him!

The optics are terrible.

Nobody in management, least of all mild mannered Chevy, has the balls to suspend $8.25 M per annum Blake Wheeler and at the same time rip that “C” off his jersey!

 

[bustamente]

There is no possible way you don't see a different team next year status quo is not an option. So is it retool or rebuild and imo I think they blow it all up and go rebuild. First off a new GM, Chevy has had more than enough time to make a winner here and failed miserably. Second coaching staff, everyone and I mean everyone needs to go. Third player moves, now in the past I have been against moving Scheifele I don't think we get back what we think we will but with what maybe is going on in the room it might be time. The D needs a complete make over they aren't good enough or capable. Folks it might be time to go with a young and green team with a core of PLD KFC NIK and Joshua

 

[surixon]

The usually soft spoken KC with relatively scathing commentary on the room and culture. Ehlers the night before talked about accountability. Imo all 3 guys that wear letters can be replaced, along with the GM who enables this culture. Time to the a new leaf.

Really, you are lumping Morrissey I'm with the other two.

 

[cbcwpg]

As is currently, Claude Noel is a much better head coach than Adam clueless Lowry!

When did Adam Lowry start coaching the Jets?

Maybe that's our problem.

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't believe I said he wasn't hurt, but maybe that's how you interpreted it. I said I wonder if the reason why Scheifele is not playing, is because he's been traded, or in talks of being traded. When a player is traded, and still with his former team, one of the conditions of the acquiring team, is that he's not to play, to avoid injury to protect their acquisition. This is quite standard I believe.

In any event, as some other poster stated, the trade deadline has passed, so if true, which I believe it is, then he very likely is injured. I don't think people took issue with that, but maybe you did ? Don't know why they would.

No it's not quite standard. Some teams keep players they are hoping to trade at the trade deadline (which was March 21st this year) out of the lineup in anticipation of trading them, but that's the choice of the team trading him and not any potential trading partner. In fact, your suggestion that players are held out in anticipation of trades is actually quite rare.

I did misunderstand you originally so my bad on that. You weren't saying he wasn't hurt necessarily, but he was very clearly injured last Sunday in Ottawa and it looked fairly serious, I think myself and maybe one or two others leapt to the conclusion that you were suggesting he was not hurt and being held out on purpose.

 

[Jack7222]

I don't think we need a rebuild, but I'd rather a rebuild than "leave the roster as it is and bring in a conservative coaching choice". I think we need major surgery and a skilled surgeon, not sure our org can pull it off though. A couple of roster moves are crucial to me so that we can put the current culture firmly behind us.

Unfortunately I feel our problems in how we see our roster and the kind of approach we have to the game may go deeper than a coach. Hopefully not.

 

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Jets defense covering star players like...

 

[tbcwpg]

This is very interesting. This is Johnny Gaudreau and his father talking about Darrell Sutter.

That accountability — in life and in hockey — was just what his son needed. It was, apparently, what a lot of players on the Flames needed this season, judging by the way the club has performed during the 2021-22 campaign.

And it’s why Guy sees a lot of himself in Sutter: because it’s what drives his coaching philosophy, too.

“They’ve gotta be called out, these guys,” Guy noted. “They’re pros but they’re still people. If you let him get away with something, they’re going to get away with more and more and more. So, you’ve gotta challenge them. Everybody’s gotta be on the same page and the same playing grounds. If you’re not playing the right way …”

I do agree that players do need to be held in check by their coaches sometimes. I don't think that necessarily has to be in the media like some coaches seem to default to, but I do think Maurice didn't do that with the top guys and Lowry also isn't doing it.

 

[Jets 31]

First and foremost we need a new coach AND assistant coaches and i mean all. Then if that doesn't change things you start moving players . I think there is too much comfort with some of the players and coaching and management. I want a coaching staff that will bench any player that isn't working hard at both ends of the ice, not just a select few players, EVERY player.

 

[DRW204]

Really, you are lumping Morrissey I'm with the other two.

Really, you are lumping Morrissey I'm with the other two.

None of our supposed leaders are impressive to say the least. What have we accomplished with any of them wearing a letter?
I don't hear any accountability or action from any of the 3 atleast publicly. Kc and Ehlers have been far more upfront of this team's, or individual play than those 3. Can add dubois too.

 

[surixon]

None of our supposed leaders are impressive to say the least. What have we accomplished with any of them wearing a letter?
I don't hear any accountability or action from any of the 3 atleast publicly. Kc and Ehlers have been far more upfront of this team's, or individual play than those 3. Can add dubois too.

Morrissey has talked about it numerous times this year and shows his accountability on the ice with dedicated two way play.

This is clearly Wheeler's team and Mark's.

 

[DRW204]

Morrissey has talked about it numerous times this year and shows his accountability on the ice with dedicated two way play.

This is clearly Wheeler's team and Mark's.

You're right morrisey talks about shell shocked bc of the poor play. He's in over his head.

 

[surixon]

You're right morrisey talks about shell shocked bc of the poor play. He's in over his head.

Wow that was one game and he was honest, so honesty only matters when it's calling other players out apparently.

 

[tbcwpg]

None of our supposed leaders are impressive to say the least. What have we accomplished with any of them wearing a letter?
I don't hear any accountability or action from any of the 3 atleast publicly. Kc and Ehlers have been far more upfront of this team's, or individual play than those 3. Can add dubois too.

Morrissey has commented publicly as well. I think taking it away from him at this point is premature but I think we definitely need to move away from 55 and 26 in that role.

 

[DRW204]

Morrissey has commented publicly as well. I think taking it away from him at this point is premature but I think we definitely need to move away from 55 and 26 in that role.

How's it premature. He's been part of the leadership trio for years. Why is culture, locker room being brought up as problems by players?
Perhaps he's the beta of the 3 and he just goes along for the ride while 55 and 26 run show. However when 2 high end players are coming out talking about lack of motivation, desire, etc, I'm sorry that's a failure on the entire group and everyone in leadership roles should be questioned.
I think it's far fetched than any of the 3 be replaced tbh, however none have been strong leaders if comments like the last couple days have been coming out from ehlers and Connor. And can add dubois and Stastny through the year.

 

[tbcwpg]

How's it premature. He's been part of the leadership trio for years. Why is culture, locker room being brought up as problems by players?
Perhaps he's the beta of the 3 and he just goes along for the ride while 55 and 26 run show. However when 2 high end players are coming out talking about lack of motivation, desire, etc, I'm sorry that's a failure on the entire group and everyone in leadership roles should be questioned.
I think it's far fetched than any of the 3 be replaced tbh, however none have been strong leaders if comments like the last couple days have been coming out from ehlers and Connor. And can add dubois and Stastny through the year.

He was named assistant captain before 2019-20. Wheeler and Scheifele have been the "leaders" for a lot longer, and I think Morrissey is young enough that he can be part of a leadership group with Dubois/Ehlers/Connor going forward.

There's also a difference between questioning leadership and advocating to strip them all of the role. The latter isn't questioning anything.

 

[DRW204]

He was named assistant captain before 2019-20. Wheeler and Scheifele have been the "leaders" for a lot longer, and I think Morrissey is young enough that he can be part of a leadership group with Dubois/Ehlers/Connor going forward.

There's also a difference between questioning leadership and advocating to strip them all of the role. The latter isn't questioning anything.

Yes before 19-20 season. So it's been for 3 seasons now. What exactly is your point? What have we accomplished with them at the helm?

OK stripping them all Is a bit harsh. But when players are coming out with lack of desire, motivation etc that's a failure on the entire group. 55 and 26 are often the popular whipping boys, however what exactly is 44 doing in all of this? If he's the beta of the group, while the locker room is saying guys aren't motivated to play, get someone better or stronger in then that can actually make a difference.

 

[sipowicz]

When did Adam Lowry start coaching the Jets?

Maybe that's our problem.

Poor Adam is in over his head masquerading as a third line centre when he really is just an average at best 4C, now coaching behind the old man’s back, no wonder he always looks slow and tired!

 

[FanForLife]

Chevy will 100% feel compelled to pull off a big move in an attempt(perhaps desperate) to save his job. I imagine it will involve Scheiffle, perhaps Wheeler in same or other move. Scheiffle I still think could be elite player in league, but seems checked out here.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Honestly the lack of accountability seems more like an organizational flaw and it feels too easy pointing the finger at the coaches. That isn't meant to excuse the coaches either, Maurice deserves a ton of blame. I hope that it hasn't bled so far down that it's made players we know can be great like Scheifele uncoachable.

As much as I gripe on individual players I've come to think a lot of problems are a symptom of a problem further up the chain.

It's the dark underside of the "blind loyalty" policy of the organization as a whole. On the one hand, who wouldn't want to report to bosses who will stick by you no matter what? That should attract people to the organization. However... blind loyalty means that there are no consequences for poor performance. Players aren't benched. Coaches aren't fired. There is zero accountability.

Claude Noel should never have been named coach in the first place all those years ago. Huddy should have been fired with Noel. Maurice should have been fired way before he decided to quit. A real succession plan should have been in place, not merely throwing poor Lowry to the wolves.

 

[DRW204]

Chevy is so passive and risk averse, Im 50-50 if they actually do anything significant in terms of player movement.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Chevy will 100% feel compelled to pull off a big move in an attempt(perhaps desperate) to save his job. I imagine it will involve Scheiffle, perhaps Wheeler in same or other move. Scheiffle I still think could be elite player in league, but seems checked out here.

He is elite as far as offense is concerned. But he either doesn't know how, or flat out refuses, to put in the effort defensively. He needs to be held accountable. And he's a leader. A coach with grape fruits would have taken the "A" off of him after the 47th piss-poor backcheck and given it to Dubois.

An engaged Scheifele would be more valuable than gold for our team. Players with his talent don't grow on trees. We don't have another like him in our organization (perhaps Perfetti will prove to be that player, but we don't know yet). So I understand the hesitancy in not trading him. Perhaps a coaching staff who knows how to win in this league, and who holds players accountable, would be the answer.