WolfHouse
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Post-Game Talk: B2B spankings, Jets lose 7-4
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Ducky10
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If they’re rebuilding, they absolutely have to trade him. I brought this up weeks ago. I don’t believe they’re winning with him by the time he becomes a UFA anyway, cashing in on him could be key.
Wow are we horrible defensively, this team needs a coach that won't put up with half assed play and completely new systems . Chevy has a tonne of work to do that's for sure.
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Why would he want to be a part of this team next year? Even for an overpay. SMH
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Blow it up. Everyone in the room knows who has to go. Just do it. I’m tired of putting more energy into this team than the team does.
Was Laine? Wonder about that.
Someone made a comment about choosing to watch the Moose or the Jets. I'm contemplating just getting minipacks to each when my contract is up. Moose this year are a lot of fun. They don't win everything but weird part about guys on the edge of the show - they seem to try every night for some odd reason.
I'm still torn on whether there needs to be a total rebuild or not. I do think the coaching staff needs to go, completely. No longer thinking bounce Lowry back down and keep him. But you need a new head coach, badly, and you let him select his own staff, without any sort of influence from the organization. That has to be a must.
Wheeler is going nowhere and I'm going to go against today's flow and say that I'm not opposed to keeping him. But you bounce him down to 3RW with a Statsny type as the center. Lowry you play as 4C or a winger on that line, though he really doesn't fit with those two. But you give him his minutes through the PK. That makes both Lowry's and Wheeler's salaries awful for that place in the lineup, but you dealt those cards, you play that hand. That's on Chevy.
Scheifele you have a really serious talk about and with. You talk about his play, his effort - everything but his points. Honestly, while his scoring has been good he looks like the kid in AAA that never played defense and was constantly hovering in the neutral zone. We used to call that cherry picking back in the day and it was not appreciated by anyone on the team. It also never worked once you got to the playoffs. You go one of two ways - he commits to the new coach and a team philosophy and maybe he goes back to his 17-18 approach of being arguable a top ten center. If he doesn't, you're trading a point per game center in his prime on a bargain contract. The return should be good. Just be aware he's going to be angry and motivated again and will bounce back, at least for a year. But if he's part of the attitude problem, cut bait and move on. I say this with Scheifele having been one of my favorite players on this iteration of the Jets. I think he can be a top ten center in the league for 5-7 more years, he just doesn't seem to want to.
You give the C to someone else. You strip Scheifele of his A. Institute a merit based system and the letters are earned on a year by year basis. Then you take that merit system and apply it to all of the players, from top to bottom. Stop with the "GM picked up this guy or that and they're VETZ so they play up the line because TRUST". Merit, stop alienating the young guys. The coach coaches the team, not the guys wearing the letters.
But yeah, ps nailed it. Listen to the guys who are performing and playing hard night in, night out and not getting the minutes for reasons they shouldn't be.
I really want to rant about Ehlers TOI, how Svechnikov can't buy a frickin' bone and gets bumped down all the time in spite of outperforming the latest thing (Reichel, Poganski, Sandford, Barron), the lack of use of Heinola and Samberg, both of whom I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a trade due to lack of playing time. I like Stanley and his size, but he seldom uses it and isn't as effective as either of those two (limited viewings).
Look I get we're an undesirable market. But if you want to even remain as a market you really need to find the balance between being "family" and being competitive. It's great to be the organization that treats it's players the best in the league (if they do), but if you cater, you build complacency. That's not going to sit well with fans.
WolfHouse
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From 2013...
The current leadership group has allowed itself to stagnate. To hover around .500 and to accept mediocrity. We've seen it this week, with the Jets supplying a superior effort in a win over the New York Rangers and then playing soft, uninspired hockey in a loss to the dreadful Florida Panthers.
They know they are better than their record but they're unwilling to push one another to the next level. They're a comfortable little club and they're going nowhere.
Effective leaders don't stand idle when their peers are inconsistent.
Players can demand more from one another in the most effective of ways. In three years we have not seen this from the Winnipeg Jets core leadership group.
Guys like Olli Jokinen and Mark Stuart know the right way and it's great when they voice their opinion, but if there's to be change, it must come from higher up.
There is a hierarchy in the Jets dressing room and at the top is a group of players who bonded together in Atlanta. Those friendships are taking precedence over results and they are rotting away any chance of success for the Jets.
Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little, Toby Enstrom and Dustin Byfuglien. All talented, all well-paid and secure. And all at the top of an underachieving team.
The current leadership group has allowed itself to stagnate. To hover around .500 and to accept mediocrity. We've seen it this week, with the Jets supplying a superior effort in a win over the New York Rangers and then playing soft, uninspired hockey in a loss to the dreadful Florida Panthers.
They know they are better than their record but they're unwilling to push one another to the next level. They're a comfortable little club and they're going nowhere.
Effective leaders don't stand idle when their peers are inconsistent.
Players can demand more from one another in the most effective of ways. In three years we have not seen this from the Winnipeg Jets core leadership group.
Guys like Olli Jokinen and Mark Stuart know the right way and it's great when they voice their opinion, but if there's to be change, it must come from higher up.
There is a hierarchy in the Jets dressing room and at the top is a group of players who bonded together in Atlanta. Those friendships are taking precedence over results and they are rotting away any chance of success for the Jets.
Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little, Toby Enstrom and Dustin Byfuglien. All talented, all well-paid and secure. And all at the top of an underachieving team.
Connor's comment about it not being too early to start building culture gets me hopeful for next season. I'm sure we'll see some big changes this offseason and probably some new leadership stepping up in the room
I'd have to go back and try to find it, but there was a couple channels talking about this Scheifele possible trade. It could all be just rumours though, so I wouldn't but a lot of belief in it, however it wouldn't surprise me.
They have some real tough calls to make on this group. I hope they are honest with themselves and if we need to rebuild then better off ripping the band aid off and doing it now while we have some assets that should return a bucket load in a deal.
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Good points -
But, if you listened to the post game tonight, it sounds like shuffling the deck is not the answer - they'll need to move some players out.
This doesn't sound like an issue that will be fixed by moving players up and down the line up - or - moving letters around the room.
This sounds like a bigger problem -
Nice to see the key cogs in the lineup are stepping up in post game - that tells me they are tuning out the leadership and calling it like it is.
That's usually the first sign of serious changes on the way.
And IMO, that won't be moving Wheels to the third or stripping a letter here or there.
KC called out the need for a culture change -
The easiest and most effective way to achieve that goal is to remove the players that are destroying the room or those that are unwilling to compete - and then start working on a new culture. Usually a lot easier than changing the rotten one.
I'd start with Chevy and work down from there.
Exactly, I see Mark and Blake on the chopping block now.
Wheeler gives an effort but the room has imploded under his watch.
Mark's pathetic effort goes without saying so he needs to go.
You know who the new leaders are and that is JoMo, Conner, Ehlers, Dubois, Stastny(If he returns). You put them in charge of the room.
Yup, my sentiments too.
New Jersey could offer a nice package for him. Jets would have to get Blackwood as part of the return and hope he returns to starter quality play after an injury marred season.
I would want their 1st round pick, too.
I did not listen to the post game, so thanks for the comments. I have no idea what the solution is, so if it's as you suggest, I'm supportive. I'd like to see a competitive team. Curiously if the Jets are competitive, they're likely to get more of my money. I'm just a tiny cog but still a cog.
Cutting ties with Wheeler at this point would be a classic example of addition via subtraction
Murat is also on the coaching is an issue train. Jets' gap with playoff quality teams is clear. So what does coaching have to do with it?
I didn't even realize it but it makes perfect sense now why we stink at holding the blue line, we glad a God damn 1-1-3 in the nz.... no wonder teams can come at us at will, we don't have enough forwards up to disrupt the play nor do we have the means for our forwards to back track and apply pressure to allow our dmen to step up. I mean wtf is the coaching staff smoking, they are even more risk adverse and passive under Lowry. Glad he touched on no weak side d other then JoMo (only in certain game states) jumping into the rush to create odd man attacks.
Dillion in his praise of Florida last night was actually calling our coaching staff out as everything he singled out that they did this team doesn't seem to be coached to do.
I didn't even realize it but it makes perfect sense now why we stink at holding the blue line, we glad a God damn 1-1-3 in the nz.... no wonder teams can come at us at will, we don't have enough forwards up to disrupt the play nor do we have the means for our forwards to back track and apply pressure to allow our dmen to step up. I mean wtf is the coaching staff smoking, they are even more risk adverse and passive under Lowry. Glad he touched on no weak side d other then JoMo (only in certain game states) jumping into the rush to create odd man attacks.
Dillion in his praise of Florida last night was actually calling our coaching staff out as everything he singled out that they did this team doesn't seem to be coached to do.
UFO
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I didn't expect anything but still somehow got disappointed.
Younger, hungry team, on the rise then. Helly was on the rise, stealing games. Buff was a game changer despite defensive liabilities. Seems complacency set in a little..."We ARE good, don't have to work"... Just my opinion...I dunno. Definitely went backwards though.
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Nice, we have a '47 Pontiac Torpedo with a worked 403 olds (increased the compression, bigger exh valves, tall intake, and a lumpy cam).
Much tougher than the Jets' D.
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Ducky10
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Yep, been talking about their terrible neutral zone play, gap and back pressure all year. Easily the biggest reason they’re in the position they are right now.
Lowry talking about playing with too much skill and identifying their issues as being on the offensive side of the puck is nonsense. It just shows how unimaginative and clueless he really is. Listening to him talk, it’s clear he doesn’t have a hot clue.
New coaching, new schemes, new players. That’s what’s needed.
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Hyothesis: SportsNet has let us (Jets fans) down.
Results and Discussion: Consider Millen specifically. Speaking as a Jets fan, I get the feeling (and @bustamente said it) its plain that Millen doesn't care about the team, they've no skin in the fate of the team, there's very little interest. His colour input is like that of a lopsided dissection by a know-it-all alcoholic uncle. That's fine, but at least try a little, yes? - This is the CDN call for the CDN market. Not asking them to be homers, just try not to cheerlead for the opposition so much.
Concluding remarks: Once in a long while SN cover a few games here and there, but I guess they don't want to be there. I like H. Singh - > he's honestly into hockey, not jaded, and calls a good game with good knowledge but defers to guys like Millen. Overall SN's colour people are really the bottom of the barrel.
Rant off//
SN is going through the motions via contractual obligation.
Results and Discussion: Consider Millen specifically. Speaking as a Jets fan, I get the feeling (and @bustamente said it) its plain that Millen doesn't care about the team, they've no skin in the fate of the team, there's very little interest. His colour input is like that of a lopsided dissection by a know-it-all alcoholic uncle. That's fine, but at least try a little, yes? - This is the CDN call for the CDN market. Not asking them to be homers, just try not to cheerlead for the opposition so much.
Concluding remarks: Once in a long while SN cover a few games here and there, but I guess they don't want to be there. I like H. Singh - > he's honestly into hockey, not jaded, and calls a good game with good knowledge but defers to guys like Millen. Overall SN's colour people are really the bottom of the barrel.
Rant off//
SN is going through the motions via contractual obligation.
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I don't believe I said he wasn't hurt, but maybe that's how you interpreted it. I said I wonder if the reason why Scheifele is not playing, is because he's been traded, or in talks of being traded. When a player is traded, and still with his former team, one of the conditions of the acquiring team, is that he's not to play, to avoid injury to protect their acquisition. This is quite standard I believe.
In any event, as some other poster stated, the trade deadline has passed, so if true, which I believe it is, then he very likely is injured. I don't think people took issue with that, but maybe you did ? Don't know why they would.
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This is very interesting. This is Johnny Gaudreau and his father talking about Darrell Sutter.
That accountability — in life and in hockey — was just what his son needed. It was, apparently, what a lot of players on the Flames needed this season, judging by the way the club has performed during the 2021-22 campaign.
And it’s why Guy sees a lot of himself in Sutter: because it’s what drives his coaching philosophy, too.
“They’ve gotta be called out, these guys,” Guy noted. “They’re pros but they’re still people. If you let him get away with something, they’re going to get away with more and more and more. So, you’ve gotta challenge them. Everybody’s gotta be on the same page and the same playing grounds. If you’re not playing the right way …”
That accountability — in life and in hockey — was just what his son needed. It was, apparently, what a lot of players on the Flames needed this season, judging by the way the club has performed during the 2021-22 campaign.
And it’s why Guy sees a lot of himself in Sutter: because it’s what drives his coaching philosophy, too.
“They’ve gotta be called out, these guys,” Guy noted. “They’re pros but they’re still people. If you let him get away with something, they’re going to get away with more and more and more. So, you’ve gotta challenge them. Everybody’s gotta be on the same page and the same playing grounds. If you’re not playing the right way …”
As is currently, Claude Noel is a much better head coach than Adam clueless Lowry!
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