Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Which teams first do u think we ahould have acquired instead of Ottawa? LA? edm? Pittsburgh? bos? Make your call.

I do think that the Ottawa deal is better than what ever else was rumored from other teams, but still, it's disappointing. I don't know what to blame. Market? Sure didn't seem like it with what other players got in return. Armstrong for holding out too long or whatever? Ownership most likely? I just don't know.

Either way, the deal just feels short to me and it has some stupid conditions that, I think, make BA and the franchise look desperate to agree to. But then again, I could be wrong because the deal is so frickin' complicated lol.

 

[rt]

Ottawa and Columbus were probably the two pocket deals BA had the entire time.

Kinda wild BA couldn't get one of Hamara/Donovan/Kleven/Lassi/Nordberg/Roger thrown in.

BA flew to Winnipeg to eat lunch with Geekie when he got snubbed for the WJC camp. You heard that incredible story of him sneaking into the Penn State game and surprising Cooley behind the net. We saw what he arranged with the Guenther family. And all the drafted kids have said in their interviews that the team is in constant contact with them. Always making sure they’re working the program. Aways popping in or calling or sending video.

BA said his plan was to build through the draft. BA has said that players you draft are the ones who will run through the brick walls for you, that will bleed for you.

BA and his staff may have loved some of those prospects in their draft years. But they lost all access to them and all control over them after they were selected. They’ve been in the care of others. Their book on them has only dwindled and they’ve become less and less sure of their development.

BA wants his own picks made by his own staff and developed by his own team. Not the picks of other teams who’ve been with other staffs.

 

[hbk]

I do think that the Ottawa deal is better than what ever else was rumored from other teams, but still, it's disappointing. I don't know what to blame. Market? Sure didn't seem like it with what other players got in return. Armstrong for holding out too long or whatever? Ownership most likely? I just don't know.

Either way, the deal just feels short to me and it has some stupid conditions that, I think, make BA look like he was desperate to agree to. But then again, I could be wrong because the deal is so frickin' complicated lol.

The only rumoured package so far is 2x1sts and Bjornfoot (and likely Quicks salary). Others will follow and we can judge accordingly.

 

[cobra427]

BA flew to Winnipeg to eat lunch with Geekie when he got snubbed for the WJC camp. You heard that incredible story of him sneaking into the Penn State game and surprising Cooley behind the net. We saw what he arranged with the Guenther family. And all the drafted kids have said in their interviews that the team is in constant contact with them. Always making sure they’re working the program. Aways popping in or calling or sending video.

BA said his plan was to build through the draft. BA has said that players you draft are the ones who will run through the brick walls for you, that will bleed for you.

BA and his staff may have loved some of those prospects in their draft years. But they lost all access to them and all control over them after they were selected. They’ve been in the care of others. Their book on them has only dwindled and they’ve become less and less sure of their development.

BA wants his own picks made by his own staff and developed by his own team. Not the picks of other teams who’ve been with other staffs.

I don't buy this at all. BA would have loved to get a good prospect but nobody would give one as part of the deal. A prospect even after one year of development is further along than another 2nd round pick, and one year older, even id they are not part of "BAs magical scouting and development staff" that is apparently all word just because. Now we are relying on the Senators tanking but only down to the 6th-8th pick for this trade to be better than expected.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I understand, but there should have been a roster player or a real good prospect as well. Picks are a gamble, and a bigger crap shoot after the first round. Ottawa didn't lose one player in their system. How about giving Ottawa credit instead of trying to defend BA.

This trade just isn't as painful for Ottawa as it was for us. The assets a team gives uo acquiring a player like Chychrun should sting, but be for the better. I don't think this trade stings Ottawa.

 

[hbk]

This trade just doesn't feel like it was as painful for Ottawa as it was for us. The assets a team gives uo acquiring a player like Chychrun should sting, but be for the better. I don't think this trade stings Ottawa, at all. They got off easy.

Fsir statement. That’s why it’s easier to get draft picks instead of prospects. Look at how Canuck fans feel now though about the main asset they gave up for OEL. At the time they were claiming steal. I think Sens fans were crapping their pants last night when Chychrun laid on the i e fora few minutes after a hit. If Chychrun gets hurt they will be screaming.

 

[Jamieh]

BA flew to Winnipeg to eat lunch with Geekie when he got snubbed for the WJC camp. You heard that incredible story of him sneaking into the Penn State game and surprising Cooley behind the net. We saw what he arranged with the Guenther family. And all the drafted kids have said in their interviews that the team is in constant contact with them. Always making sure they’re working the program. Aways popping in or calling or sending video.

BA said his plan was to build through the draft. BA has said that players you draft are the ones who will run through the brick walls for you, that will bleed for you.

BA and his staff may have loved some of those prospects in their draft years. But they lost all access to them and all control over them after they were selected. They’ve been in the care of others. Their book on them has only dwindled and they’ve become less and less sure of their development.

BA wants his own picks made by his own staff and developed by his own team. Not the picks of other teams who’ve been with other staffs.

I'm not hearing folks in St Louis raving about hometown picks or going through walls for the team? There are always exceptions so looking in one direction is a mistake imo.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Fsir statement. That’s why it’s easier to get draft picks instead of prospects. Look at how Canuck fans feel now though about the main asset they gave up for OEL. At the time they were claiming steal. I think Sens fans were crapping their pants last night when Chychrun laid on the i e fora few minutes after a hit. If Chychrun gets hurt they will be screaming.

That had me holding my breath. I hope he stays healthy even if it hurts our cause, but I won't lie, I'm expecting an injury any game now lol. They did take on risk with Chych, with his injury history for sure. But he's still a high end NHLer.

I think we risk more in that pick might never play more than 5 games in the NHL. We got nothing in return that is guaranteed to be a part of this team in a few years. Just a lot of hope. Hope Ottawa doesn't make the playoffs. Hope the pick isn't top 5, Hope the pick doesn't get moved to next year, Hope the guy we take with their pick makes the roster someday. Hope that he even half as good as Chych is if he does...

They got a proven excellent player that is also cost controlled for two more years, even if he misses 25% of the next two seasons. We're over here rolling the dice.

 

[Jakey53]

Sure, but you can't fool other GMs, they know the player and the market value. There were a few article written about Chych's value being less than BA was asking, I always thought that as well, and it took forever to trade him. BA was kidding himself, he didn't fool anybody else other than the fan base on this forum.

I really think the ask for Chych was fine, but because of the cap situation for most teams, and BA in a situation where he could not take money back created the problem. That became apparent when the LA deal fell through. BA had no leverage. Ottawa had cap space and had BA bent over. The alarming part is why couldn't BA take money back at the most important time of the rebuild. Of course BA is trying to spin it like that was the plan. Listen to what Ottawa's GM is saying about acquiring Chych. That was an absolute fleecing.

 

[Jakey53]

Bjornfot has been going the wrong direction for a year. And he’s an undersized defensive defenseman. I’m not crying over that. I’m probably not even trading the Washington 2nd for that. Maybe that ‘26 2nd.

And that deal came with Quick. Which eats up budget BA can’t rollover into the summer to take another bad contract and hopefully get another 2nd with.

The Ottawa deal is very likely better than the LA deal for those reasons. But we won’t know until the draft order is set and we see the kinds of returns BA is able to get for dumps in the summer.

Quick is a UFA, and we have no idea if Quick was the reason that deal went south, and besides, his salary is peanuts. And he could have flipped Quick like Columbus did. BA sat Chych because he thought he had a deal, then didn't. BA knew what teams were offering for Chych, and that included Ottawa. Ottawa was at the right time and the right place. My opinion is that BA got bent over, big time.

 

[hbk]

Quick is a UFA, and we have no idea if Quick was the reason that deal went south, and besides, his salary is peanuts. And he could have flipped Quick like Columbus did. BA sat Chych because he thought he had a deal, then didn't. BA knew what teams were offering for Chych, and that included Ottawa. Ottawa was at the right time and the right place. My opinion is that BA got bent over, big time.

With what retention spot?

 

[Jakey53]

That had me holding my breath. I hope he stays healthy even if it hurts our cause, but I won't lie, I'm expecting an injury any game now lol. They did take on risk with Chych, with his injury history for sure. But he's still a high end NHLer.

I think we risk more in that pick might never play more than 5 games in the NHL. We got nothing in return that is guaranteed to be a part of this team in a few years. Just a lot of hope. Hope Ottawa doesn't make the playoffs. Hope the pick isn't top 5, Hope the pick doesn't get moved to next year, Hope the guy we take with their pick makes the roster someday. Hope that he even half as good as Chych is if he does...

They got a proven excellent player that is also cost controlled for two more years, even if he misses 25% of the next two seasons. We're over here rolling the dice.

Hope and a prayer is what you call it. Why did BA even approach Chych? If you want to trade him you don't need his permission. Schmaltz is 27 and will be owed $$$. I wonder if BA will approach him and make it public?

 

[Jakey53]

With what retention spot?

They could have used instead of the Bjugstad deal. I would think trading your biggest trading chip is more important than trading Bjugstad. Again, we couldn't take money back, which in real $$$ is peanuts with Quick.

 

[hbk]

They could have used instead of the Bjugstad deal. I would think trading your biggest trading chip is more important than trading Bjugstad. Again, we couldn't take money back, which in real $$$ is peanuts with Quick.

Columbus got a 7th for Quick and ate $. We got a 3rd fro Bjugstad.

Do u like the LA package more than Ottawa’s? What do you think of the prospect?

 

[rt]

I think Bjornfot is kinda like Hjalmarsson if Hjalmarsson was 4 inches shorter and 20lbs lighter. Two years ago Bjornfot had encouraging AHL production. A year ago he played a full season in the NHL. This year he’s back in the AHL full time and has less impressive production than he did two years ago. He’s going backwards. It’s not a good sign.

 

[Kaizen]

IIRC he's out of waivers exemptions so LA was trying to cut bait before having to make a decision next season.

 

[TheLegend]

Hope and a prayer is what you call it. Why did BA even approach Chych? If you want to trade him you don't need his permission. Schmaltz is 27 and will be owed $$$. I wonder if BA will approach him and make it public?

I dunno Jakey. Maybe he wanted to do the right thing and level with the players. He approached all of them and filled them in on exactly what his plans were to rebuild the roster.

If Chych had decided he was on board with it then none of the last 18 months happens.

 

[Jakey53]

This trade just isn't as painful for Ottawa as it was for us. The assets a team gives uo acquiring a player like Chychrun should sting, but be for the better. I don't think this trade stings Ottawa.

Ottawa didn't lose one roster player or one prospect. Ottawa is over the moon, like we would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[hbk]

Ottawa didn't lose one roster player or one prospect. Ottawa is over the moon, like we would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

Absolutely they should be. I hope they sign Chychrun to a 8x$9.5M per year extension.

 

[Jakey53]

Columbus got a 7th for Quick and ate $. We got a 3rd fro Bjugstad.

Do u like the LA package more than Ottawa’s? What do you think of the prospect?

We don't know what the exact deal was.

 

[hbk]

We don't know what the exact deal was.

Pagnatta reported it. What do u think of that report?

 

[TheLegend]

Absolutely they should be. I hope they sign Chychrun to a 8x$9.5M per year extension.

This IMO is a major factor in why he decided he didn’t want to stay.

 

[Jakey53]

Pagnatta reported it. What do u think of that report?

They report a lot of things. They get more wrong than right.

 

[hbk]

This IMO is a major factor in why he decided he didn’t want to stay.

I don’t thin BA could even hope of making that type of contract proposal. I think Ba and management got concerned when guys like Nurse and Seth Jones started getting those types of deals. Toss in Chychrun’s injury history and i think we were trying to be proactive.

They report a lot of things. They get more wrong than right.

Do h have a list of acceptable reporters that you will comment on?

Give a f***ing opinion. I can be wrong. I am wrong all the f***ing time. But u come on here and say “no it wasn’t “ like that means f*** all when you aren’t willing to provide any sort of opinion.

 

[hbk]

And all you post is hear say. Wait until something is factual and post about that. All my posts are my opinion, whether it's right or wrong will be decided when it becomes factual. Such language, did the old lady cut you off.

K. Well the reported offers so far are 2x1sts and a prospect from LA. I personally don’t love the prospect but if you do think he’s a 2nd or 3rd round value then i still think their package is similar to what Ottawa offered. If u think the prospect is just a warm body(younger version of Dyson Mayo) then i think the ottawa package has potential for a better return.

Where the deal gets complicated is with the contract of Quick and our ability to eat/flip. If we can’t add salary then that is a complete no go. If we could do it do we like the return Columbus got better than getting the 3rd for Bjugstad. I lean towards the Ottawa and Edm deals myself.