"More" is a matter of perspective, especially coming from the camp that didn't seal the deal.
Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26
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"More" is a matter of perspective, especially coming from the camp that didn't seal the deal.
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Scott: Coyotes did not get the deal they wanted for Chychrun
Chychrun’s agent:
-All started at breakfast in Philly 17 months ago - were looking to rebuild and we want assets and if Jake doesn’t want to be part of the rebuild - we’re willing to look at that - Jake thought about it for weeks and decided he wanted to go somewhere further in the process (building/competing)
-Multiple teams offered two 1sts and players for Jake - but AZ not willing to take back money - Sens were in right time right place because could make an offer without any money - and it was less than AZ was asking
-There was significant pressure and they had to move Jake by deadline
-Az adamant they won’t take money
-Sens got him for a lot less than other teams offered because no retention or contracts required
-Agent has been talking to Pierre Dorion the whole time - even in the summer - and even with DJ Smith - AZ was asking much more in the summer and being stubborn. Timing is everything - the price came down because they didn’t want to take on any money
-Chychrun camp wanted to get into a situation that was further along (rebuild/compete)-there were teams willing to do the same deal (no money) but give a “better haul” for Arizona - so credit to Bill for honoring his commitment
Chychrun’s agent:
-All started at breakfast in Philly 17 months ago - were looking to rebuild and we want assets and if Jake doesn’t want to be part of the rebuild - we’re willing to look at that - Jake thought about it for weeks and decided he wanted to go somewhere further in the process (building/competing)
-Multiple teams offered two 1sts and players for Jake - but AZ not willing to take back money - Sens were in right time right place because could make an offer without any money - and it was less than AZ was asking
-There was significant pressure and they had to move Jake by deadline
-Az adamant they won’t take money
-Sens got him for a lot less than other teams offered because no retention or contracts required
-Agent has been talking to Pierre Dorion the whole time - even in the summer - and even with DJ Smith - AZ was asking much more in the summer and being stubborn. Timing is everything - the price came down because they didn’t want to take on any money
-Chychrun camp wanted to get into a situation that was further along (rebuild/compete)-there were teams willing to do the same deal (no money) but give a “better haul” for Arizona - so credit to Bill for honoring his commitment
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Not entirely correct.
Good teams had to send money back or get retention. Arizona wasn’t taking money back or retaining.
Teams that didn’t have to send money back, like Ottawa, Buffalo and Columbus were decided based on a commitment the Coyotes made to Chychrun through this process that they’d move him to a team further along. Based on Chychrun’s agent’s comments, their camp believed strongly that Ottawa fit this criteria while some other teams (I’ve got to guess Buffalo and Columbus) did not.
Also, Arizona had a strong preference for draft capital. Other teams may have valued their existing prospects more highly than Arizona did. Perhaps they felt that their prospects were better than some picks. But perhaps AZ felt differently.
He said the ask from AZ was "more" - he didn't say he offered more. KA also made a point of explaining how deals differ based on different compositions - prospects vs picks etc.
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Sure, but you can't fool other GMs, they know the player and the market value. There were a few article written about Chych's value being less than BA was asking, I always thought that as well, and it took forever to trade him. BA was kidding himself, he didn't fool anybody else other than the fan base on this forum.
They drink the kool-aid while pointing out every supposed error by other GMs completely ignoring Bill.
Is Bill the issue or is it the budget tying his hands?
I will judge Bill this year based on:
1) do we end up with a top 4 pick (preferably top 3). Ideally dad last.
2) where ottawa pick lands relative to LA’s
3) who we select in 23 draft compared against my list/opinion of the player.
I criticize Bill and the budget. Bill talks tough but at the end of the day he really is a salesman, I just don't buy it all. I still think he is doing well but don't tell us for well over a year that are you are gonna get a dollar for Chychrun, then get 3 quarters, and claim the ask was met. And claim to weaponize cap space while slashing on ice budget. Just stop talking.
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Haha I'll be back to that in a few days. The 57% thing really bothers me. And the Chychrun 18 month saga, I find it really hard to believe that return wasn't available a long time ago.
Let’s see what other rumoured offers leak. The LA offer was similar. I didn’t love the prospect though.
Bill said on the radio today that if the exact same deal was offered by OTT in October he probably wouldn’t have taken it, simply because it’s too hard to judge where their pick position would be. It’s better to gauge offers and then wait until closer to the deadline when you have a better idea of pick position…if getting the highest pick possible is your goal. If you were just going to trade him to a contender all along then yeah, that’s a little different because you already know it’s most likely going to be a later pick.
^ He also said they are trying to replicate what they did last year in the draft, which was pick 3rd and 11th. If you can somehow do that two, maybe even three years in a row, you’ve made some serious progress in a short amount of time.
I am sure a similar offer was available over the last 18 months. I think BA finally figured out he couldn't get any more for Chych and took market value which was set long ago.
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The Ottawa deal has the potential to be either significantly better or significantly worse than the long reported asking price.
Anyone pretending that isn’t true simply has an agenda, or they aren’t very bright.
Anyone pretending that isn’t true simply has an agenda, or they aren’t very bright.
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Bjornfot has been going the wrong direction for a year. And he’s an undersized defensive defenseman. I’m not crying over that. I’m probably not even trading the Washington 2nd for that. Maybe that ‘26 2nd.
And that deal came with Quick. Which eats up budget BA can’t rollover into the summer to take another bad contract and hopefully get another 2nd with.
The Ottawa deal is very likely better than the LA deal for those reasons. But we won’t know until the draft order is set and we see the kinds of returns BA is able to get for dumps in the summer.
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