Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

LMFAO journalist! You're funny!

Talk show host and political hack. The stuff coming out in Dominion's lawsuit against Fox News show internal emails proving that Fox News and Carleson intentionally pushed the big lie about the election, while internally admitting it was BS. Just to keep their viewer ratings up. Tucker Carleson has zero journalistic integrity. Zero.

 

[Sciamachy]

A quick look at the route Ottawa needs to take to make the playoffs:

12 of their final 22 are against the top 14 teams in the league, Sens current record against those teams this year is 6-16-2

13 of 22 are on the road where the Sens are sub .500 (12-14-2)

Unless they really step it up in these areas they will need to completely feast on bottom feeders and home games in order to jump past 4 teams.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

A quick look at the route Ottawa needs to take to make the playoffs:

12 of their final 22 are against the top 14 teams in the league, Sens current record against those teams this year is 6-16-2

13 of 22 are on the road where the Sens are sub .500 (12-14-2)

Unless they really step it up in these areas they will need to completely feast on bottom feeders and home games in order to jump past 4 teams.

Keep in mind that two of those games (Carolina and and Lightning) are in the final few days of the season. I sincerely doubt they will be playing starters that close to the playoffs

 

[Jakey53]

It's basic arithmetic Jakey. Transitive property if you want the actual name for it

Well, Ottawa got the mansion and the Coyotes got the land, hoping they will be able to build a mansion, and if not, a garage, and if not, trade for another piece of land.

 

[SniperHF]

One first @12-16 is more valuable as a potential player than two at 25-32, sure. And it's true that the value at the low end of the draft is really not great (like marginally better than a 2nd if at all). But mid firsts really aren't worth much either in absolute terms. They don't reliably turn into first line talents. They don't even reliably turn into top 6 quality forwards.

But also that wasn't even the rumored price, we're comparing our real deal to what was positioned by the Coyotes camp, which was two of those late firsts and a prospect of some quality. We didn't get that in any way. You can maybe sooth yourself by repeating the "this draft so great/deep" mantra and hoping we luck into a 2003 draft with first liners floating around all over the place. But that's a lot of eggs in that basket with only one real asset of note coming back.

We didn't get an asset back that as a clear path (or even an unlikely path) to actually replacing Chychrun's value. I'm calling that a failure, that settle or option A is slightly better than settle for option B is academic.


As for the BA supposedly being the initiator of the trade not the Chychrun camp, hey it's certainly possible but it's 1: contrary to all reporting prior to yesterday. 2. could be true in the abstract but the reality is there are many many ways a player can make it known they want out, without outright calling up the GM and telling him to do it. That BA was the first (well reportedly, these after trade reports in the media are often crap) to actually have a meeting and discuss the matter is not necessarily the same as initiating this thing.

 

[awfulwaffle]

How does it work, let's say Ottawa finishes in the standings with the 11th pick prior to the draft lottery. If they win the lottery and jump to 1, do they keep it, or do we technically get it since their original standing would have put them at 11?

 

[Jakey53]

Serious question. What's Chychrun's next contract look like? 8x$9.5M?

Depends on the next two years.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

How does it work, let's say Ottawa finishes in the standings with the 11th pick prior to the draft lottery. If they win the lottery and jump to 1, do they keep it, or do we technically get it since their original standing would have put them at 11?

They keep it. The protection is based on where the pick ends up by the time Bettman strides to the podium.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

What are the odds on Chychrun getting injured withing the next 10 games? 60/40?

 

[awfulwaffle]

They keep it. The protection is based on where the pick ends up by the time Bettman strides to the podium.

Well that's some bullcrap.

 

[Jakey53]

Is it possible, just possible, that BA was playing us all in order to try to inflate Chychrun's value? I remember thinking that BA was asking for a crap ton of value back for Chychrun, and then I just bought into it. I'm beginning to think that we were all played by BA.

Are you going to be asking the same question when Keller gets traded?

 

[Jakey53]

A quick look at the route Ottawa needs to take to make the playoffs:

12 of their final 22 are against the top 14 teams in the league, Sens current record against those teams this year is 6-16-2

13 of 22 are on the road where the Sens are sub .500 (12-14-2)

Unless they really step it up in these areas they will need to completely feast on bottom feeders and home games in order to jump past 4 teams.

I doubt Ottawa makes the playoffs.

 

[hbk]

So Rangers have to ice a lineup of only 5 D against Ottawa tonight. No cap space and not allowed an emergency callup because they created the situation by making trades with a player suspended. Now, Ottawa stands a better chance to beat them. This is an outrageous turn of events. Call the NHLPA! This is a crap franchise.

 

[rt]

Friedman saying on the Marek show that he asked around and talked with sources who know the draft the sense he’s getting is that the Ottawa pick could be better or equal to a very late first in this draft and a very late first in a future draft. He said BA’s claim is valid. But also the concern is Chychrun helps too much and hurts the pick. And, of course, who you draft is what really matters.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Big deal. Why not keep Chych? Let him play rest of the year and trade him in the summer. Maybe rt is right and AM is broke.

I would have kept him also, but that’s not BA’s way. We’ll just have to wait and see how this unfolds. Cobra will be in heaven!

 

[cobra427]

Is it possible, just possible, that BA was playing us all in order to try to inflate Chychrun's value? I remember thinking that BA was asking for a crap ton of value back for Chychrun, and then I just bought into it. I'm beginning to think that we were all played by BA.

We certainly were, other GMs weren't fooled though. We got 1 pick at 15ish, a pick in the 30s and 40's verus the 2 picks in the 15ish range and 1 in the 40s. Basically we got a mid 30s pick versus another 15ish pick.

 

[TheLegend]

Ottawa is having ownership and arena issues, so I wouldn't really say that Chychrun has improved his circumstances all that much.

They're in about the same situation we are. But the "hockey media" above a certain parallel gives them the occasional hall pass.

My thought is that BA wanted to keep that retaining slot open in case he got a deal for Schmaltz (no way in hell he can deal Schmaltz without retention... that contract is just awful). If that's not the case, then Armstrong was in a game of chicken and Meruelo panicked and grabbed the wheel early.

At this point I'm just glad it's over with.

I think the way BA saw it was..... 1 mid 2023 1st round pick >>>>>> 2 late 2023 1sts

He could have gone for two late firsts, but then would have had a much harder time trading up at the draft.

 

[TheLegend]

Bummer we approached him. One of my favorite Coyotes and we asked him to leave

He approached al of them.... only Chychrun didn't want to go through another rebuild.

 

[Kaibur]

I was thinking about Buffalo and how affordable in trade costs both Chychrun and Ghost ended up being. Yet they still haven't made a move with 24 hours to go and they're closer to a playoff spot and at the same stage of rebuilding as Ottawa.

Savoie (9th overall 9 months ago) + Vegas '23 2nd + BUF '26 2nd is comparable to what the winning Ottawa offer ended up being. The difference is the risk in knowing where Ottawa's pick lands versus Savoie as a known pick.

What's the chance that the Ottawa '23 1st ends up as good or better than Matt Savoie? How many guys would you take on the '23 list over Savoie?

I'm really curious to see what, if anything, Buffalo does before the deadline.

 

[TheLegend]

No, the ask was two firsts. You guys came up with that when Chych said he wanted to go to a team who will be in the playoffs. I always wanted a pick in the teens and I have said many times that a team like the Sabres, Ottawa, LA and CBJ make sense because they are close to being a playoff team for years to come. Anyway, I'm tired of venting, and I'm sure most are tired of me venting. Hell I should be use to it, being a Coyote fan and all.

He SAID two firsts... but they were going to be in the bottom of the round.

Playoff teams end up on the bottom of the draft in the first round.

Moving up in the draft requires a LOT more draft currency.

Going with Ottawa eliminates that.

Try to keep up.

 

[rt]

He SAID two firsts... but they were going to be in the bottom of the round.

Playoff teams end up on the bottom of the draft in the first round.

Moving up in the draft requires a LOT more draft currency.

Going with Ottawa eliminates that.

Try to keep up.

And for reference, I recommend folks see the Conor Geekie trade. It cost us 27th, 34th and 45th to get to 11th.

 

[RedBeard]

He SAID two firsts... but they were going to be in the bottom of the round.

Playoff teams end up on the bottom of the draft in the first round.

Moving up in the draft requires a LOT more draft currency.

Going with Ottawa eliminates that.

Try to keep up.

Especially in 2023 with the expectation by many it has a better top 20 than other drafts.

 

[Mosby]

I do wonder if in addition to injury concerns GMs are also put off by his lone playoff appearance. He didn't play well against either the Preds or Avs that year and so there may be concerns if he can truly step it up when the pressure really hits.

As far as the yotes asking Chych if he wanted to stay it's important to recall that Chych flooded his socials with a bunch of crying emojis like a teen getting dumped on prom after Dvorak got traded. No surprise the team would do a temp check on the guy.

This would be my only criticism of Chych. He gets the yips in big games, and badly.

 

[hbk]

This would be my only criticism of Chych. He gets the yips in big games, and badly.

tries to do to much usually.

I still remember Tim Murray going off on his lack of hockey sense at the U18's. That's when I knew he wasn't going in to the top 10 if a NHL GM is willing to go off like that about a draft eligible player during a passing conversation with a fan.

 

[cobra427]

He SAID two firsts... but they were going to be in the bottom of the round.

Playoff teams end up on the bottom of the draft in the first round.

Moving up in the draft requires a LOT more draft currency.

Going with Ottawa eliminates that.

Try to keep up.

Two firsts are two firsts, not one first. Nobody expected a two firsts in the top 5 but we shouldn't have expected 2 firsts at 27-32 either, the top 5 teams are likely set and think they have a shot at the cup anyway without the ransom ask for Chych. The range was always more likely 15-25, teams that needed the difference maker to take the next step up. Let's call it two firsts at the 20th pick. We are getting one first at the 15ish spot, maybe a bit higher or lower. That is a big miss from BAs expectations any way you slice it.