Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26
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RemoAZ
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I don't have any info to back it up but I think Armstrong moved Chychrun because of the injury history. I think that's the same reason along with the contract we hear Schmaltz's name in rumors (who of course gets hurt right before the deadline). I think he'd like to move him and a couple other vets on the roster on 1 year deals which any team out of playoff contention would dump for a pick at the deadline. That's it. There's nothing else to nuke. They NEED to lose games from here on out. We don't need anymore meaningless wins to make our lotter odds any worse. Next year the fun starts or we don't have a team.
rt
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Anyone remember my post where I was expressing anxiety over the return. And saying I just hope it’s clearly at the ask and not something where I have to squint, turn my head to the side and close one eye, counting on all my fingers and toes to figure how it’s actually at the ask?
That happened.
It also happened with Dvorak. I wanted a prospect taken late in the first round in a recent draft and a cap dump worth a negative 2nd. I was told I was absurd for asking so much. No way we’d get it. Instead we got a late 1st and no negative value dump. There was a parade on the main boards celebrating how wrong I was. But I wasn’t. I wanted basically a 2nd in total value and instead got a 1st.
This is like that. I wanted two late 1sts and a late 2nd. Turns out we got the equivalent of a late 1st and four mid-2nds. Which is better total value. But the donkeys are still braying and the monkeys are still chest thumping.
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Folks, this isn't Briere/Gratton. The trade fell below our expectations, and we're as guilty as the press is for hyperinflating Chychrun's value. But it's not like we got absolutely fleeced. If you have to have a winner/loser thing, then Ottawa won. But we got what we (as an organization) wanted - Chychrun dealt, high-value draft assets in return, and no salary coming back or retention spot used. I guarantee you that Armstrong and the scouts are happy, even if we and the pundits aren't.
The worst-case scenario is that our draft picks all bust and Chychrun becomes a perennial all-star for Ottawa with no further injury issues; but a) it'll take probably a decade at least for us to see if that happens, and b) if Chychrun does turn out like that, we'd never have been able to afford him in UFA.
The Saga has ended. Mas alla to the next journey.
EDIT: I just looked at our 2024 draft capital as it stands, and either next year's draft is going to be a gold mine, or we are gonna make some moves at this year's.
The worst-case scenario is that our draft picks all bust and Chychrun becomes a perennial all-star for Ottawa with no further injury issues; but a) it'll take probably a decade at least for us to see if that happens, and b) if Chychrun does turn out like that, we'd never have been able to afford him in UFA.
The Saga has ended. Mas alla to the next journey.
EDIT: I just looked at our 2024 draft capital as it stands, and either next year's draft is going to be a gold mine, or we are gonna make some moves at this year's.
rt
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If they don’t make the playoffs it can’t be later than 16th. Right?
YotesFan47
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Yea Im not awake yet I guess haha. Thx brotha!
Yea I just don't think good hahaha
There are 2 options for the Scenario 1 result — Ottawa does not qualify for 2023 playoffs & does not win top-5 lottery pick in 2023 draft OR Ottawa qualifies for the 2023 playoffs and does NOT make it to the ECF
RemoAZ
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Scenario 1 — Ottawa does not qualify for 2023 playoffs & does not win top-5 lottery pick in 2023 draft
Arizona receives:
2023 1st (6th to 16th overall)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 2 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs BUT does not advance to Eastern Final
Arizona receives:
2023 1st (17th overall or later)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 3 — Ottawa does not qualify for 2023 playoffs & wins a top-5 lottery pick in 2023 draft
Arizona receives:
2024 1st (unprotected)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 4 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs & advances to Eastern Final
Arizona receives:
2023 1st
2024 1st (top-10 protected)
2026 2nd
Scenario 5 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs & advances to Eastern Final, BUT 2024 1st lands within top-10 picks
Arizona receives:
2023 1st
2025 1st (unprotected)
2026 2nd
Hey @RABBIT, add to OP? <3
Arizona receives:
2023 1st (6th to 16th overall)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 2 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs BUT does not advance to Eastern Final
Arizona receives:
2023 1st (17th overall or later)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 3 — Ottawa does not qualify for 2023 playoffs & wins a top-5 lottery pick in 2023 draft
Arizona receives:
2024 1st (unprotected)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Scenario 4 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs & advances to Eastern Final
Arizona receives:
2023 1st
2024 1st (top-10 protected)
2026 2nd
Scenario 5 — Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs & advances to Eastern Final, BUT 2024 1st lands within top-10 picks
Arizona receives:
2023 1st
2025 1st (unprotected)
2026 2nd
Hey @RABBIT, add to OP? <3
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If that's added there's a 5th scenario for a pick from 17th - 28th if the Senators make the playoffs but don't reach the ECF.
I think...
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Jagged Ice
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Ottawa plays the Rangers tonight in MSG. Too early for Chych to play tonight?
Said he hoped to play, team said they would decide this morning.
rt
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Rushing him back after that layoff would be risky.
Depends if he stays healthy and if the cap ever goes up.
Jagged Ice
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At least that if he stays healthy with long term. I don't think he fits our rebuild honestly.
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I think about that? I would guess 8 x 9, if you want to say 9.5 sure why not. That's in today's dollars tho, in a few years you'd think cap goes up and he'll be an in-demand soon-to-be UFA... who knows really but 8 x 9.5 seems about right
For comps, imo Chych is better than Serg, Serg got 8x8.5. Pasta just got 8x11.25 (!!!!). Assuming he stays healthy (which I do), Chychrun is finally going to get paid
rt
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I’m guessing we get pick 13 in this draft, pick 53 in the next draft, and we trade that ‘26 2nd.
Alberta Yote
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If the pick ends up 10 - 15 I can certainly live with this. I do believe though that the Sens make the playoffs and it ends up in the 20's. If that happens Armstrong gambled and lost.
hbk
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and he should be judged accordingly if that happens.
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He's busy fighting off photographers or something, I'm sure. I saw a photo on Twitter of him at the Ottawa airport.
Jagged Ice
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Alberta Yote
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Teams above them that due to selloffs or inconsistency I think Ottawa will pass include Nashville, Washington and Florida. That would put them at 16 correct? I almost see that as a best case but I was wrong once before.
RemoAZ
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