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Great! I'm sure that TSN now has a dedicated paparazzi team assigned to him.
Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26
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Great! I'm sure that TSN now has a dedicated paparazzi team assigned to him.
PainForShane
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Nashville's in the West. Non-playoff teams always draft before playoff teams regardless of record ie East / West cutoff line.
In order for OTT to pick 16 they'll have to have the most points of any non-playoff team in the east and west. If OTT passes WSH, FLA they're still not in the playoffs (currently NYI, PIT in last two spots, BUF still ahead of them in #9 spot in east). CGY also has more points than OTT (currently in the 9 spot in the west), OTT would have to pass them too
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B- for me.
My initial thoughts when I saw the trade were "meh... underwhelming". After thinking on it a bit more there is no doubt I was personally expecting more, but the Sens 2023 first has a good probability of being a blue-chip prospect. Even if the Sens make the playoffs they are going to be a Wild Card team and have to play the Bruins or Canes.
You don't hire the most robust scouting department the team has ever had to acquire a bunch of prospects drafted by other teams. The goal has always been to acquire as many picks as humanly possible because the team has made significant investments in the scouting department.
Would I have liked a more NHL ready prospect? Sure, absolutely. Do I think the Yotes got "fleeced".. not at all. I acknowledge BA overplayed his hand a bit and waited too long here, but I do think the return is acceptable and everyone can move on.
My initial thoughts when I saw the trade were "meh... underwhelming". After thinking on it a bit more there is no doubt I was personally expecting more, but the Sens 2023 first has a good probability of being a blue-chip prospect. Even if the Sens make the playoffs they are going to be a Wild Card team and have to play the Bruins or Canes.
You don't hire the most robust scouting department the team has ever had to acquire a bunch of prospects drafted by other teams. The goal has always been to acquire as many picks as humanly possible because the team has made significant investments in the scouting department.
Would I have liked a more NHL ready prospect? Sure, absolutely. Do I think the Yotes got "fleeced".. not at all. I acknowledge BA overplayed his hand a bit and waited too long here, but I do think the return is acceptable and everyone can move on.
Alberta Yote
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Yes. I first believe Ottawa will continue to surge and catch the Islanders. If they don't and miss the playoffs I believe they will have the most points of all non-playoff teams including Nashville. That's what I was trying to say.
Jagged Ice
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He's playing tonight according to Sen's. He was not scheduled for the morning practice, however. He'll be 2nd pairing with Sanderson tonight against the Rangers.
Hates Canadian media and blasts them at every chance. Wants news on NHL and their own team and heads to.....you guessed it......Canadian media to get info.
I agree. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that so many posters are supporting BA and trying to rationalize the return as close to what BA was saying he going to get for a return. Its not. BA over played his hand, Chych was worth way less than he thought he was.
We were lucky to get Chych at 16th and see him develop into a player he became. Now we likely get a player in the 15-20 range that becomes an NHL player but never as good as Chych, unless we are lucky again. The seconds are total luck of the draw and fingers crossed picks too.
I'm not disappointed in the return, we got market value for a player that is average on D, elite point producer, that is often injured. I have been saying this for months what is true value is, and getting blasted for it on these boards.
PainForShane
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They'd need more points than Calgary also (who's slightly ahead of NSH right now but still outside the playoffs).
But sounds good, it's a reasonable opinion that the Sens will surge. But, I disagree, passing Buf and FLA will not be easy. To me, Buffalo is a much stronger team, they're currently out of the playoffs and I don't see the Sens passing them. Anyway I really hope you are wrong!!!
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I don't hate Canadian media. I hate Canadian sports radio talking heads, specifically. The rest of it is merely annoying, like most sports journalism is.
That photo I saw, by the way, was retweeted by someone else I follow, but if that derails your narrative of me being a MASSIVE HYPOCRITE then please disregard that piece of objective reality!
GhostofYotesFan47
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Yes. But their strength of schedule is like 5th most difficult, right?
Hoo boy. They better treat him more gently.
The photo was by Gord Wilson, Sens Color Commentator. So you did get your info from Canadian Media. It's just entertainment.
Arizonatah Coyetis
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There's too much TBD to really judge this trade fairly. I don't love it, I don't hate it right now. It's better than two very late firsts and a second. Kudos to BA for sticking to his guns. The market is the market.
The trade works for both teams. Ottawa gets a player they want for a reasonable price as they try to move to next level. The Coyotes get a few chances to add to team down the road as the rebuild continues.
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You f***ing GOT ME, dude!
Please accept this gift in recognition of your Incredible Internet Gotcha Skillz.
Bonsai Tree
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LMFAO journalist! You're funny!
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Is it possible, just possible, that BA was playing us all in order to try to inflate Chychrun's value? I remember thinking that BA was asking for a crap ton of value back for Chychrun, and then I just bought into it. I'm beginning to think that we were all played by BA.
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Well, to a certain extent, I'm sure we were. We all know how GMs and agents and everyone else who has hands on money in any sports leagues will use every avenue available to manipulate an advantage for themselves. I think that BA used Morgan and other media types a bit more directly than he pulled our own marionette strings, but it was all part and parcel of getting the deal he wanted (not, importantly, the deal he said - or, even more accurately, the deal other people said - he wanted).
The more I think about it, the more the idea of an unprotected 1st in '25 might have been BA's primary motivation for doing the deal as it stands.
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PHX FireBirds18
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I have to think he took a good hard look at their schedule and took that into serious consideration. Perhaps what we have here is actually fair value and that’s why everyone is upset.
Nowotny
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OK let's stay away from politics.But that interview with Fleury was interesting.And if you have time Fleury's book "Playing with fire"is worth reading
Scenario 5— Ottawa qualifies for 2023 playoffs but doesn't advances to Eastern finals
2023 1st (17-24th)
2024 2nd (Washington’s)
2026 2nd
Fluery is a certifiable nut job. The book was a good read though. Fluery and former Canadian skating champ Jamie Sale are scary twitter operators. Sale is former Wife of Craig Simpson.
Alberta Yote
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Fleury is a wack job. His harder than ot should have been life has definitely caught up to him.
Nowotny
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I don't have to agree with people to find their stories interesting.By the way in that interview with Tucker Fleury said"It doesn't matter who plays the sport.The reason why we play the game and reason why the game is so amazing is that it is for everybody"I think we can all agree with that
