Rumor: Avs Reached out to Chicago about Patrick Kane

[x Tame Impala]

What source do you have that says he isn’t likely to ever play again? Because every other source that has talked to people close to the situation said they won’t be surprised if he comes back sooner rather than later.

Avs fans aren’t trying to trade Byram. We prefer he stays because we know his potential and how good he was before he went down. Concussions take time to heal.

So instead of saying he has zero value (which, just isn’t true…maybe not full value cus valid enough concerns, but to suggest zero is really silly and makes you look dumb), acknowledge that he has value to the Avs and we aren’t trying to trade him and nobody wants Kane at any price mentioned here.

Checking yourself out of a career as a professional athlete due to head injuries is a very serious thing. Especially this young. Concussions change you forever and it's already clearly a problem for Bowen. Saying he has 'zero' value is hyperbole, fine, but with his injury concerns i don't know how he can be a centerpiece in TDL deal for the Avs.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Yeah you probably didn’t get a response because thinking there’s a high likelihood he never plays again shows you haven’t looked into it at all.

Do you think it's more likely or less likely that he returns and has a long, successful, NHL career?

 

[Taylorst]

You clearly know nothing about the Avs. Newhook is helping the team right now in his rookie year, so much so that the Avs already view him as the 2c to replace Kadri, Byram isn’t a prospect either and was already an important piece to the d core before he got hurt. You saw an opportunity to clown on the Avs and just stuck your foot in your proverbial mouth instead. Take the L and move on. The whole argument about how long windows last is subjective per team… the Avs window is not just 2-3 years. If that were the case they’d be missing the playoffs this year.

The only loss here is your wild exaggeration of Byram and newhook. Byram was drafted a couple years ago the same draft as dach , yes he is still in his rookie contract,, that's factual knowledge. A 3rd line rookie center who might replace someone in the future still doesn't equate to stanley cup or that impactful.
Your theory 9n window of opportunity doesn't even line up with common knowledge or straight from the horses mouth your gm stating they want kane if he is available with there 2 year window of opportunity.

Teams rise and fall each year , gms realize it's about this year winning if they feel there a strong contender.

Yes Colorado acquiring kane makes them a serious and dangerous team and in doing so kane will bring back young elite prospects that's how trades work you give to receive....

Use logical thinking and stop talking about things you clearly don't have a full comprehensive knowledge of...

 

[Kevin Musto]

Still waiting to hear from you Avs fans on why Byram holds any trade value at all considering the liklihood he never plays again

It makes sense for neither team.

If Chicago is trading Kane, it'll be for a sure thing.

Colorado won't trade Byram because if he gets healthy again, which is completely realistic, he has top pairing potential.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Checking yourself out of a career as a professional athlete due to head injuries is a very serious thing. Especially this young. Concussions change you forever and it's already clearly a problem for Bowen. Saying he has 'zero' value is hyperbole, fine, but with his injury concerns i don't know how he can be a centerpiece in TDL deal for the Avs.

Avs fans aren’t trying to make him a centerpiece from what I’ve seen. Crosby checked himself out and got right. Avs are in no need or desire to move on from Byram. At all. Speculation around him comes from uninformed Vancouver media wanting clicks. Avs are fine holding onto him and letting him recover. He’s going to be back. If he weren’t, he’d be at home and not preparing for a return.

 

[strictlyrandy]

The only loss here is your wild exaggeration of Byram and newhook. Byram was drafted a couple years ago the same draft as dach , yes he is still in his rookie contract,, that's factual knowledge. A 3rd line rookie center who might replace someone in the future still doesn't equate to stanley cup or that impactful.
Your theory 9n window of opportunity doesn't even line up with common knowledge or straight from the horses mouth your gm stating they want kane if he is available with there 2 year window of opportunity.

Teams rise and fall each year , gms realize it's about this year winning if they feel there a strong contender.

Yes Colorado acquiring kane makes them a serious and dangerous team and in doing so kane will bring back young elite prospects that's how trades work you give to receive....

Use logical thinking and stop talking about things you clearly don't have a full comprehensive knowledge of...

You typed all that out to tell an Avs fan that knows significantly more about the team and players than you do, when you could have just said “I want to argue but clearly have no knowledge of the players involved.”

Congratulations on being wrong and using all those words just to tell us that you are.

 

[MaKarter]

Still waiting to hear from you Avs fans on why Byram holds any trade value at all considering the liklihood he never plays again

I mean this is him 3 days ago. Looks like he will be able to play again, even this year possibly.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Is Kane awesome? Yes. Would I trade him for the amount he is worth? No.

Unless Sakic pulls off a Joe Thornton to San Jose level deal, I don’t want the Avs to give up the assets needed to land Kane. Regardless of who’s available and who’s not.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I mean this is him 3 days ago. Looks like he will be able to play again, even this year possibly.

Drills=/= in game contact.

I'll just check out here actually. I really wanted the Hawks to draft Byram and it sucks to see his young career derailed by injuries. I hope he has a long healthy career.

 

[Taylorst]

What source do you have that says he isn’t likely to ever play again? Because every other source that has talked to people close to the situation said they won’t be surprised if he comes back sooner rather than later.

Avs fans aren’t trying to trade Byram. We prefer he stays because we know his potential and how good he was before he went down. Concussions take time to heal.

So instead of saying he has zero value (which, just isn’t true…maybe not full value cus valid enough concerns, but to suggest zero is really silly and makes you look dumb), acknowledge that he has value to the Avs and we aren’t trying to trade him and nobody wants Kane at any price mentioned here.

While you make some excellent points, concussions are tricky especially in hockey we've all seen many players retire v early because of them.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Byram has zero value. There are no lemon laws with NHL trades.

 

[Taylorst]

You typed all that out to tell an Avs fan that knows significantly more about the team and players than you do, when you could have just said “I want to argue but clearly have no knowledge of the players involved.”

Congratulations on being wrong and using all those words just to tell us that you are.

That's your problem being so invested into the team that you can't or refuse to grasp the bigger picture..

Better yet tell us how you know more about the players and the team better than your own GM..

 

[Eltuna]

Tough to find a comparable for a Kane trade as there are few players in the league as good as him to begin with and they rarely move.

Karlsson was a lot younger and had more value at the time of his trade than Kane does now and he went for Tierney (Compher), Balcers (Kaut), a 1st expected to be in the 20’s, Norris (Barron), Demelo (equivalent of a 3rd?), a 2nd, and some conditional picks.

Byram’s value is too tough to gauge, better to leave him out of trade proposals which works better for Colorado anyways as his potential is sky high. Newhook level prospoects have been traded in recent years for Eichel (Krebs), Patches (Suzuki), and Stone (Brannstrom).

 

[Taylorst]

Is Kane awesome? Yes. Would I trade him for the amount he is worth? No.

Unless Sakic pulls off a Joe Thornton to San Jose level deal, I don’t want the Avs to give up the assets needed to land Kane. Regardless of who’s available and who’s not.

Then it's a good thing your not the GM. Before chicago won there 1st cup that offseason they moved some good players and signed a 31 year old Hossa, They then went on to win 3 cups and 4 western conference finals..
Hossa was the key to helping them with his leadership and play...

 

[LPHabsFan]

Am I the only one who feels that Kane's style of play wouldn't suit well with Colorado's?

 

[FlyguyOX]

lol cant wait to see the avs trash offers

according to avs fans byram and newhook are not available so not sure how there going to get him.

Wait I forgot about kaut. chicago is probably dying to add kaut and a late first

Lmao so true. They’ll probably throw in helleson to make it extra sweet!! LOL

 

[John Mandalorian]

Am I the only one who feels that Kane's style of play wouldn't suit well with Colorado's?

On the contrary.

 

[Sniper99]

Delete

 

[Sniper99]

Byram has zero value.

thats hilarious.

 

[Esq]

I imagine it has to start with Byram right?

Really risky to trade for a guy who might have a very short career.

 

[Taylorst]

To all the avs fans who are so wedded to Byram and newhook.

Byram is still in his entry level contract
He played 19 games last year a whopping 2 points
This year he has played 18 games and a total of 11 points

Let's be honest here his numbers don't scream future all star or hall of fame. Could he become great maybe but his numbers currently don't scream in untouchable
Nor does newhook...

 

[Eltuna]

To all the avs fans who are so wedded to Byram and newhook.

Byram is still in his entry level contract
He played 19 games last year a whopping 2 points
This year he has played 18 games and a total of 11 points

Let's be honest here his numbers don't scream future all star or hall of fame. Could he become great maybe but his numbers currently don't scream in untouchable
Nor does newhook...

It’s probably better to just not include Byram in trade proposals, his value is just too tough to accurately gauge and the risk is too high for both sides. If he continues to have problems his value will plummet but if he returns to form he is worth too much to trade unless it’s for a young cost controlled asset. Much easier to just take him out of the discussion and treat him as an untouchable.

The value of a Newhook level prospect is a lot easier to define. Krebs, Brannstrom, & Suzuki have all been dealt in recent history and are similar in value to Newhook today.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Kane is the GOAT Blackhawk...it would take an overpayment

 

[kingpest19]

Then it's a good thing your not the GM. Before chicago won there 1st cup that offseason they moved some good players and signed a 31 year old Hossa, They then went on to win 3 cups and 4 western conference finals..
Hossa was the key to helping them with his leadership and play...

Outside of Havlat leaving in FA, which really good players did they also move? It was basically the same team that went to the conference finals the year before with Hossa replacing Havlat

 

[Spilot23]

So since we seem to be in an agreement here. Did someone already sent the paper to Kyle for Kaut + 1st?