Rumor: Avs Reached out to Chicago about Patrick Kane

[GirardSpinorama]

Do you think it's more likely or less likely that he returns and has a long, successful, NHL career?

Yes. It's more likely.

 

[Taylorst]

It’s probably better to just not include Byram in trade proposals, his value is just too tough to accurately gauge and the risk is too high for both sides. If he continues to have problems his value will plummet but if he returns to form he is worth too much to trade unless it’s for a young cost controlled asset. Much easier to just take him out of the discussion and treat him as an untouchable.

The value of a Newhook level prospect is a lot easier to define. Krebs, Brannstrom, & Suzuki have all been dealt in recent history and are similar in value to Newhook today.

Unfortunately in the real world both GMs have those discussions and decisions to make. Kane is still producing 80 plus points a season and a 3 time stanley cup champ, your not going to find in recent years a player of his caliber being traded , so his cost is completely different than eichel or anyone else in recent history. Byram there isn't a guarantee one way or another with him but if both teams agree than I guess he becomes part of the deal... Chicago won't move kane unless both kane agrees and chicago can't pass up the deal...

 

[Taylorst]

Outside of Havlat leaving in FA, which really good players did they also move? It was basically the same team that went to the conference finals the year before with Hossa replacing Havlat

I remember havlat , I forgot who else but the point is Hossa was very much a key difference maker , and after he went out on injury you could see how much he meant to the team and toews performance.

Byram and newhook are easily replaceable at this point if Colorado feels there opportunity is now and next year. Look at tampa they went to the cup in 2015 many thought they would return tge following year and new york or vegas its hard to get to the conference finals let alone tge cup or even past round 1 . Experience and veteran leadership helps ...

 

[Drew311]

I would imagine Newhook is off the table with Kadri gone next season.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Every team should be reaching out to non playoff teams for their talent. Those who aren’t won’t win shit.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I definitely would not say vastly more.

Kane is 33 years old, signed for 2 more years.

Agree that Eichel's cap hit is much, much larger which is obviously a huge detriment, but he is signed for 4.5 years, and is 25 years old, just now entering his statistical prime. The argument could go either way on which is better imo, but the difference between the two is not vast imo.

It certainly was when he couldnt skate

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Really risky to trade for a guy who might have a very short career.

Sure but its hard for Colorado to offer much more value wise

 

[AvsGuy]

Difference between Alex Newhook and a lot of the recent comparables (Krebs, Suzuki, Branstromm) is that Newhook is already producing well at the NHL level. He's not particularly a what-if at the moment, he's pacing for 45-50 points as a rookie

Byram had 4 goals 7 assists in 18 games as a rookie defender before injury, if that doesn't seem like the "untouchable prospect" realm then I'm not sure what would

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Difference between Alex Newhook and a lot of the recent comparables (Krebs, Suzuki, Branstromm) is that Newhook is already producing well at the NHL level. He's not particularly a what-if at the moment, he's pacing for 45-50 points as a rookie

Byram had 4 goals 7 assists in 18 games as a rookie defender before injury, if that doesn't seem like the "untouchable prospect" realm then I'm not sure what would

Untouchable prospects must become touchable when you're talking about a player like Kane.

 

[Richard88]

To all the avs fans who are so wedded to Byram and newhook.

Byram is still in his entry level contract
He played 19 games last year a whopping 2 points
This year he has played 18 games and a total of 11 points

Let's be honest here his numbers don't scream future all star or hall of fame. Could he become great maybe but his numbers currently don't scream in untouchable
Nor does newhook...

Byram has posted 11 points in 18 games with only 1 point on the powerplay (he's only got 20mins PP time total this year).

As shown in the table below he's 18th in the league among defensemen in points/60 at 5v5 this season as a 20 year old rookie. Needless to say those are impressive numbers.

 

[AvsGuy]

Untouchable prospects must become touchable when you're talking about a player like Kane.

Go eat some pork snagglins or a can of Butter Da

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Go eat some pork snagglins or a can of Butter Da

I am literally interested in nothing the Avs have to offer other than Newhook and Byram. Both or go pound sand.

You're delusional to think you can acquire Kane without at least Newhook as the centerpiece.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I am literally interested in nothing the Avs have to offer other than Newhook and Byram. Both or go pound sand.

You're delusional to think you can acquire Kane without at least Newhook as the centerpiece.

I hear what you’re saying.

Kaut + 1st.

 

[AvsFan29]

Yes Colorado acquiring kane makes them a serious and dangerous team

Arguably the most dangerous team already. No point in gutting our young talent pool to add another high end point producer. We score enough goals.

Need depth D and bottom 6 players.

Giroux is likely as rich as we get, and he fills a bigger need than Kane does as well.

 

[AvsGuy]

I am literally interested in nothing the Avs have to offer other than Newhook and Byram. Both or go pound sand.

You're delusional to think you can acquire Kane without at least Newhook as the centerpiece.

Good thing Joe Sakic called Kyle Davidson and asked what the King of Town is literally interested in

You're delusional if you think better players haven't been traded for less

 

[Freudian]

You guys drive a hard bargain. Reluctantly, I'm willing to add J.T Compher to Kaut + 2023 1st round pick.

 

[Taylorst]

Good thing Joe Sakic called Kyle Davidson and asked what the King of Town is literally interested in

You're delusional if you think better players haven't been traded for less

He's not delusional. Kane is a 3 time stanley cup winner plus he is still a 80 plus point player and 1st ballot future hall of fame, there hasn't been in recent history a player of his caliber traded. Eichel doesn't even compare to kane.

Chicago holds all the cards Byram and newhook if there not on the table Chicago simply walks .

Colorado doesn't have a 1st round pick to offer , and according to capfriendly they don't have a 1st for 2023 neither, so please be realistic about things.

 

[Hierso]

I hear what you’re saying.

Kaut + 1st.

Is this the new Bracco + 2nd?

 

[strattonius]

To be fair, Kaut has developed really well in my NHL 22 GM mode, hitting 22 G 29 A 51 pts in 63 GP in 2023-24.

 

[kthx]

I hear what you’re saying.

Kaut + 1st.

Haha he said it

 

[Foppberg]

I hear what you’re saying.

Kaut + 1st.

Honestly that's too much at this point IMO. Kane will probably walk at the end of his deal anyways.

Kaut + Timmins

 

[Esq]

Sure but its hard for Colorado to offer much more value wise

Don't disagree at all.

 

[Esq]

I hear what you’re saying.

Kaut + 1st.

Easy no

 

[Eltuna]

Unfortunately in the real world both GMs have those discussions and decisions to make. Kane is still producing 80 plus points a season and a 3 time stanley cup champ, your not going to find in recent years a player of his caliber being traded , so his cost is completely different than eichel or anyone else in recent history. Byram there isn't a guarantee one way or another with him but if both teams agree than I guess he becomes part of the deal... Chicago won't move kane unless both kane agrees and chicago can't pass up the deal...

Karlsson is the best recent example although he was a lot younger at the time of the trade and was considered a top 3 defenceman in the league so carried more value. A comparable trade today to EK would be Compher (Tierney), Barron (Norris), Kaut (Balcers), Demelo (3rd) a 1st expected in the 20’s, a second, and some conditional picks.

I like Norris then better than Barron now but Karlsson also carried greater value so it evens out. With less pieces involved I think it’s very possible that Newhook could be substituted for lots of the quantity.

 

[katfude]

This isn't about the hawks getting fair value at all. This is about showing other GMs that Joe will shop around if he doesn't like your price.

You're getting futures and dumps from the Avs this year if your GM trades with Sakic.