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Auston Matthews (Trade or Keep)? (CANNOT re-sign before July 1st. - NMC July 1st.)

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Trade Matthews or Keep Matthews?

  • Trade Matthews

    Votes: 264 63.3%

  • Keep Matthews

    Votes: 138 33.1%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 15 3.6%
  • Total voters
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Peasy said:
Yeah I see that now. But I don't see the ducks trading for Matthews. Why would they, they got a solid foundation being built. Trading for Matthews would basically be like the leafs signing Tavares. Extremely short sighted and likely a bad move in the long run.
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Terrific post. Well said.

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Matthews is NOT going anywhere. They will give him what he wants (money, term, NMC) and he will be here until his mid 30's. Hopefully, by then, he's scored a goal in the playoffs.

If anyone goes, it will be Marner - but, my guess, they both stay and the team holds their nose until JT's contract ends.
 
the real Fox mulder said:
Is Byfield really that bad. If the Leafs do decide to trade Matthew, LA is the team I think would try and acquire him, Byfield, Clarke, Vilardi, + are the three main pieces that leaf could get in a trade with LA.
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Byfields ok but he has a higher probability of being a 3rd line - 2nd line tweener than ever being a true 1st liner/star.
 
There could be a good return from one of the teams on Auston’s list. Contact them all and tell each of them, Matthews wants to play for you. There could be somewhat of a bidding war amongst those teams.

AM34 is a huge asset… he’s generational still.
 
WillyC said:
For those saying he needs a power forward winger to play with… Auston, is supposed to be the power forward.
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I remember that very first NHL, with the 4 goal performance my friends and I were tripping out on a group chat.

I specifically remember saying - “and just wait until he figures out that aside from skill, he can just toss defenders out of his way if need be.”

Never materialized.
 
Simply put if he is traded then a replacement of some sort needs to be part of the return.

And cap space isn't a legit replacement, first line centers almost never hit free agency, you're not going to be able to replace him that way. And neither is a draft pick which May very well end up as a winger or defenseman or a goalie.

Either a young center or a blue chip prospect has to be coming back the other way to make it even conceivable as a deal. This team spent more than 10 years after Sundin left looking for a first line centerman and didn't get one until the 2016 draft. I don't want to go through that again.
 
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WillyC said:
There could be a good return from one of the teams on Auston’s list. Contact them all and tell each of them, Matthews wants to play for you. There could be somewhat of a bidding war amongst those teams.

AM34 is a huge asset… he’s generational still.
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And then the teams say, "Thanks. Glad to know he wants to play here. We'll wait a year to sign him and give you nothing."

"Huge Asset", yes, he is NOT generational.
 
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ORRFForever said:
And then the teams say, "Thanks. Glad to know he wants to play here. We'll wait a year to sign him and give you nothing."

"Huge Asset", yes, he is NOT generational.
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This is perhaps the biggest difference for me. Matthews is a great great great player.

Is he Crosby, Mcdavid, Drai, Ovi tier? No not close.
 
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PansCyans said:
I remember that very first NHL, with the 4 goal performance my friends and I were tripping out on a group chat.

I specifically remember saying - “and just wait until he figures out that aside from skill, he can just toss defenders out of his way if need be.”

Never materialized.
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Yeah, it’s crazy the way he scored those 4 goals… a record that will never be beaten or even matched again.

Then, finished 2nd for the Rocket… wins the Calder… then more Rockets… then, the freaking Hart.

These playoffs were supposed to be his time.
 
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sunstersun said:
Matthews is a great great great player.
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For me, that is a bridge too far.

When they signed him, they should have gotten more years. If they had, he'd be getting us something in return if/when the Leafs trade him. With only one year remaining, no one is going to step up and give the Leafs what he is worth.

On-the-Fly said:
Don't know about most. But me and mine haven't forgot the hole 13 left.

I'm not passing on a center of 34s caliber.
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He is NOT going anywhere.
 
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ORRFForever said:
Terrific post. Well said.

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Matthews is NOT going anywhere. They will give him what he wants (money, term, NMC) and he will be here until his mid 30's. Hopefully, by then, he's scored a goal in the playoffs.

If anyone goes, it will be Marner - but, my guess, they both stay and the team holds their nose until JT's contract ends.
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keeping them both is the worst thing they can do. Tavares' 11 AAV off the cap would go into raises for matthews, marner, nylander that doesn't leave much for adding key pieces.

As long as Tavares is on the cap Leafs gotta tone it down, and not look to compete for the cup. just ride those yeaers out, get a new gm to re-shapte/re-tool the roster with some cap flexibility and then go from there by that time you would have knies, woll and lily some experience too.

And hopefully some ELCs who can contribute.

Staying with the same people and pushing to go for the cup is the WORST thing to do.

Step 1 is to get rid of Dubas and Keefe
Step 2 is to get a new GM in
Step 3 is to trade Marner
Step 4 is to see how much matthews wants if it is anything north of 12 AAV he should be traded too
Step 5 step back and re-evaluate
 
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ORRFForever said:
Fantilli + McTavish for Matthews might actually work.

But, if you're Anaheim and you have that young core, I doubt you do it - if Anaheim was close, they might, but why pay Matthews all that money when the team is not ready - and Matthews can't deliver anyway?
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I don’t think that makes sense for anaheim

They just saw us fully f*** up our rebuild by signing a guy. That’s doesn’t cost players and we f***ed up tremendously

They wouldn’t trade young ELC assets for a 27 year old who wants 13+

Our team is a warning of what not to do to any GM in the league
 
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PromisedLand said:
keeping them both is the worst thing they can do. Tavares' 11 AAV off the cap would go into raises for matthews, marner, nylander that doesn't leave much for adding key pieces.

As long as Tavares is on the cap Leafs gotta tone it down, and not look to compete for the cup. just ride those yeaers out, get a new gm to re-shapte/re-tool the roster with some cap flexibility and then go from there by that time you would have knies, woll and lily some experience too.

And hopefully some ELCs who can contribute.

Staying with the same people and pushing to go for the cup is the WORST thing to do.

Step 1 is to get rid of Dubas and Keefe
Step 2 is to get a new GM in
Step 3 is to trade Marner
Step 4 is to see how much matthews wants if it is anything north of 12 AAV he should be traded too
Step 5 step back and re-evaluate
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I guarantee Matthews will want $13M AAV - he's gonna want to be a Top 5 contract for years to come.

I agree with Step 3.
 
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Aashir Mallick said:
I don’t think that makes sense for anaheim

They just saw us fully f*** up our rebuild by signing a guy. That’s doesn’t cost players and we f***ed up tremendously

They wouldn’t trade young ELC assets for a 27 year old who wants 13+

Our team is a warning of what not to do to any GM in the league
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I agree. Well said. They will NOT want to do what we did.
 
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the real Fox mulder said:
Is Byfield really that bad. If the Leafs do decide to trade Matthew, LA is the team I think would try and acquire him, Byfield, Clarke, Vilardi, + are the three main pieces that leaf could get in a trade with LA.
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Byfield is ass, another take I was right about (the Kings should've drafted Stu).

That said, no chance in hell LA trades any of those 3 (or Danault or Kempe) for a proven loser like Matthews. If the Kings want his $13m ass they can sign him next July, I'm sure LA as a city is his top choice where he can move in with Bieber full time

ORRFForever said:
Fantilli + McTavish for Matthews might actually work.

But, if you're Anaheim and you have that young core, I doubt you do it - if Anaheim was close, they might, but why pay Matthews all that money when the team is not ready - and Matthews can't deliver anyway?
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Might work for who? What team in their right mind is trading away 8 years of a top pick for 1 year of Matthews, and then having to pay his insanely high cap hit if he wants to continue gracing them with his presence?
 
There's photos on Twitter at the moment of the handshake line where you can see Matthews wrist in a brace. Likely comes out soon hes been dealing with an injury.

Which helps explain a bit of his performance, but then there's also the issue of investing heavily in a guy with this much wear and tear

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Part of me hopes we hear the details of the wrist/hand issue, needs surgery, abd that's why he couldn't score. He still didn't have his A shot. Then he can come back next season at full strength.

On the other hand, if that's the case you have to consider the guy can't stay healthy. This hand issue has been of and on for the last 3 years.
 
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Menzinger said:
There's photos on Twitter at the moment of the handshake line where you can see Matthews wrist in a brace. Likely comes out soon hes been dealing with an injury.

Which helps explain a bit of his performance, but then there's also the issue of investing heavily in a guy with this much wear and tear

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That’s a bit too concerning imo

He is 28, and he has had a wrist injury issue every year for the past 3 years. The question on if we can rely on his wrists to perform comes up, because otherwise we get the Matthews from this year and the playoffs
 
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