Auston Matthews is one of the worst even-strength scorers in the entire league

Per usual, this type of threads signals a complete change of direction in regards to what the thread talks about, because people have the forecasting capability of a rock. Matthews is going to go on a tear in 3… 2… 1…
 
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He's peaked at the ripe old age of 25?

I dont see anything odd about that if we are speaking in terms of best offensive seasons for high draft picks.

Ovechkin peaked at age 21
Malkin at 24
Hall at 25
Tavares at 23
MacKinnon at 22
Stamkos at 21
Kane at 27
Crosby peaked at 19 due to injuries
Average age: 23

McDavid at 24 thus far
Matthews at 25 thus far
 
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Saving himself for the playoffs
 
Matthews is 3rd in the league in SOG. The puck just isn't going in for him this season. If he doesn't hit 40, I'll be shocked.
 
Pretty shocked this threads still open, I just hope it's still open for when he inevitably goes on a tear. Would be great to continue the discussion
 
I was waiting for this thread. Like when HF declared Tavares to be washed, these threads tend to be a bat signal for the player to like immediately make people look extra dumb.
 
Wasn't Crosby's injuries mostly pre-25 though? I mean, fwiw, why discount injuries and mileage for Matthews?

And, that's why I mentioned data taken over larger samples. The analysis shows that forwards peak around 23-25 at even strength. I can try to fetch those if you're interested in their methodology, but yeah, 25 is a perfectly normal age for a forward to start declining.

Purely in terms of goals and assists though, don't think anyone did measure defensive impact or other intangibles.

Did Matthews have multiple concussions a year or break his leg on a post? The time missed between those 4 players during their peak is pretty incomparable, Matthews has missed a handful of games with wrist and shoulder injuries vs missing more than half the season multiple times like Crosby Malkin and Stamkos in the middle of their peaks.

After hitting his goalscoring peak in 2009-10, Crosby played 41, 22, and 36 games the following 3 seasons.

After hitting his goalscoring peak in 2011-12 Stamkos played the lockout half season at a similar pace and then 37 games the next season before breaking his leg in half.

Malkin hit his goalscoring peak in 2011-12 as well and followed it up with 5 straight seasons where he either didn't hit or didn't pace for 70 games played.

If Matthews gets demolished by injuries to this extent while the league has an overall decline in scoring and PP chances that Benn can win an Art Ross with 86 points then yeah I'd expect his numbers to drop off like the players mentioned above.

If you look at late peaks like Kane, Marchand, and Kessel, you can see that they have a few things in common. None of them have missed significant time to chronic game altering injuries and they had their late peak years immediately after the mini dead puck era ended (2016-2018 for all their best seasons).

Guys who score a lot play a lot, guys who play a lot are more likely to get serious game altering injuries earlier in their career than guys who don't play a lot. This could happen to Matthews or McDavid tomorrow, but if it doesn't they are likely to defy that curve through their mid-late 20s.
 
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I was waiting for this thread. Like when HF declared Tavares to be washed, these threads tend to be a bat signal for the player to like immediately make people look extra dumb.

The funniest part is, over the last 5 years Auston Matthews has the most even strength goals in the league at 137, McDavid is 2nd at 120

Over the last 5 years he has .487 ES Goals per game, the highest among all NHL players, translates to 40 even strength goals per 82 games, over a 5 year sample size

Over the last 5 years only 2 players have a higher ES PPG.

LOL, can't make this shit up

"Auston Matthews who has the most even strength goals, most even strength goals per game, 3rd highest even strength points per game over the last 5 years is one of the worst even strength goal scorers in the entire league"

 
This is how you know Matthews has every Habs fan shell shocked and this is coming from a Nucks fan :laugh:

Not quite sure why no one has jumped in to answer this yet, but the Leafs are probably the one and only team our fanbase has felt confident to take games off of, day in and day out, over the past couple seasons.

Especially after the 2021 playoffs.

Ain't no Habs fan shell shocked by a team composed of players who can't perform when they need to.
 
What lol?

The past 3 seasons (half of his NHL career) he was was pacing for 93 points (closer to 100 than 82), 104 points and 124 points.

Mans been the best 5 on 5 goal scorer since entering the league and because hes in a slump some Habs fan gotta make a thread about it trying to act like the dude is washed.

Hes also shooting 6% lower than his career average atm.
Never paced for 124 in career.
He is struggling 5 on 5 atm, I’m sure he’ll snap out of it though.
Just like I think DeBrincat should improve from 4% shooting percentage.
 
Matthews is having a goal scoring slump just like all goal scorers. The problem is when he's not scoring goals, he isn't making up for it with high assist numbers. This also explains struggles in the playoffs. Same for someone like huberdeau, who is dominant only passing. McDrai and MacKinnon are all more multidimensional dominant players.
 
He’s probably got half his mind out of the door there, dreaming of those warm Arizona winters playing in front of a capacity crowd at Mullet Arena. Sounds much better than cold, boring Toronto
 
Did Matthews have multiple concussions a year or break his leg on a post? The time missed between those 4 players during their peak is pretty incomparable, Matthews has missed a handful of games with wrist and shoulder injuries vs missing more than half the season multiple times like Crosby Malkin and Stamkos in the middle of their peaks.

After hitting his goalscoring peak in 2009-10, Crosby played 41, 22, and 36 games the following 3 seasons.

After hitting his goalscoring peak in 2011-12 Stamkos played the lockout half season at a similar pace and then 37 games the next season before breaking his leg in half.

Malkin hit his goalscoring peak in 2011-12 as well and followed it up with 5 straight seasons where he either didn't hit or didn't pace for 70 games played.

If Matthews gets demolished by injuries to this extent while the league has an overall decline in scoring and PP chances that Benn can win an Art Ross with 86 points then yeah I'd expect his numbers to drop off like the players mentioned above.

If you look at late peaks like Kane, Marchand, and Kessel, you can see that they have a few things in common. None of them have missed significant time to chronic game altering injuries and they had their late peak years immediately after the mini dead puck era ended (2016-2018 for all their best seasons).

Guys who score a lot play a lot, guys who play a lot are more likely to get serious game altering injuries earlier in their career than guys who don't play a lot. This could happen to Matthews or McDavid tomorrow, but if it doesn't they are likely to defy that curve through their mid-late 20s.

I'm just saying, it's not ridiculous to suggest that Matthews hit his peak already, it's actually quite likely. Like you said, he'd have to defy the age curve to peak after his mid 20s.

The crux of my comment isn't centered around the examples I picked, it was just to illustrate how it happened to the best in the games.

Also fwiw, P. Kane "peaked" in his age 26-27 season, hasn't won an award after that.

But like I said earlier, those are averages and the decrease in production usually pretty slow, saying Matthews might have hit is peak after an amazing 60 goals in 73 games season =/= Matthews is done lol
 
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He’s miserable in Toronto and wants to play for a hockey hotbed, like Arizona.
People gotta find new troll content other than this Arizona stuff.

I’m sure pornstach will score a lot of goals this season but he won’t put up 60. Most likely back to ~40.
 

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