Tribute Auston Matthews Discussion Thread II: Record Breaking Edition

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He got chopped on the wrist again last night and in the 3 on 3 in OT last night he looked like a 45 year old. Something is not quite right with this kid this year. I just hope it's fixable. Whatever it is, it might prevent him asking for the moon in July.
 
Someone in the main boards legit said Matthews is one of the worst Centers in the league for HDCA.

Oh you want to try to pick on him, he hasn't been great jfor this season for HDCA when playing with Nylander over Marner but that shouldn't be a surprise considering the defensive beast that Marner is.

I'm still firmly in the camp of reuniting the old lines myself but Matthews current 70% 5v5 goal differential stops me from pushing it too hard. That's 2nd to only Bergeron for centers in the league but Matthews averages a full 4 mintues more of 5v5 ice time a game.

If it's working, it's working and the team always has the option to switch things around as the chemistry is already there.
 
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Last year at this point of the season he had 25 goals.
They mentioned on the brodcast the other night that the difference has been multi goal games.

Last yearvhe had 7 at this point including two hat tricks while this year he has just one.

Scoring in the same amount of games but almost never more than once
 
They mentioned on the brodcast the other night that the difference has been multi goal games.

Last yearvhe had 7 at this point including two hat tricks while this year he has just one.

Scoring in the same amount of games but almost never more than once
Goals in 18 games last year versus 16 games this year.

He clearly isn't shooting the same way as last
year.

17 goals on 160 shots this season.

25 goals on 164 shots last season.


Something is off for sure.
 
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I’m just curious, are people really comfortable giving matthews a 14 mil plus AAV on his next contract? Cause I sure am not. at this moment the highest I’d go is 12.5 AAV for 8 yrs, tell his agent and matthews in a cordial and polite manner, take it or leave it. Exactly how yzerman took his stance with stamkos, here’s our number, yes or no
 
Appearently Kipper said he wanted 15x8

I don't think anyone actually knows where his head is it considering the variety of years and amount that has been thrown out
 
I’m just curious, are people really comfortable giving matthews a 14 mil plus AAV on his next contract? Cause I sure am not. at this moment the highest I’d go is 12.5 AAV for 8 yrs, tell his agent and matthews in a cordial and polite manner, take it or leave it. Exactly how yzerman took his stance with stamkos, here’s our number, yes or no
I don’t think they really have any choice but to give him pretty much whatever he wants.
 
$15 million (or ideally a little less) on an 8 year deal probably makes sense from the amortization POV. It's incrementally not that much more than the Mackinnon deal which was signed during the flat cap. That basically locks in your Matthews era for the rest of his prime and you know what you're paying for. I'd do it on the condition that we make Nylander work as well and get through that last Tavares year. Then get Marner re-upped and have the band together for the duration.

That said, Matthews would be setting a pretty high bar for himself. Like he'd have to be giving us a few 50 goal, 100 point seasons and all the other 200 foot stuff en route to playoff success. There wouldn't be too much breathing room for scoring droughts every time he gets a tap on the wrist or shot in the ribs or if the team goes down in flames early.
 
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Matthews on pace to shatter his career totals for primary assists this year.

Tops on the team and 8th in the league.
Every single year he changes something about his game. Adding in new shot types (i.e. he never used to do slapshots or one timers), and now he's hitting and seems to be trying to be more well rounded of a player. He hasn't look like himself this year but he is adding new elements to his game.
 
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Appearently Kipper said he wanted 15x8

I don't think anyone actually knows where his head is it considering the variety of years and amount that has been thrown out
Kipper knows nothing when it comes to what Matthews wants. Matthews doesn’t say anything about it and changes the subject as soon as it’s brought up, so unless a notoriously tight lipped management group leaked out something I don’t see exact numbers being tossed around until the off season.

8 years … why is everyone so focused on 8 years?
1. He didn’t sign for 8 years last time he had a chance, when his comparables like McDavid and Eichel did. Instead he signed for 5 years, why? So he can cash out for even more while in his prime.​
2. Leafs would likely have to pay a premium for those extra 3 years, considering the cap projects to go up approx $10m in 2025-26​
3. Signing him for 5-6 years gets him under contract during his 27-32 age, easily the prime years of any players career.​
4. if he hasn’t won us a cup or at least carried the team on his back to the finals or something like that, by that time … do we even still wanna go down that road with him anymore? Might sound cutthroat since most would love to see him retire as a career-Leaf, but I’m sorry I need to see a cup in my lifetime more than I need a nice feel-good storyline.​
Anyways, I’m just rambling on
 
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Kipper knows nothing when it comes to what Matthews wants.
True.
8 years … why is everyone so focused on 8 years?
Because it is, by far, the most likely term he will sign for.
1. He didn’t sign for 8 years last time he had a chance, when his comparables like McDavid and Eichel did. Instead he signed for 5 years, why? So he can cash out for even more while in his prime.
Signing for 5 years (the most common post-ELC term for players of his caliber) had nothing to do with "cashing out more". They agreed on 5 years to keep the cap hit lower and make sure everybody could be kept.
2. Leafs would likely have to pay a premium for those extra 3 years, considering the cap projects to go up approx $10m in 2025-26
More term would lower the cap hit on this contract, because mid-30s years are cheaper than prime years.
 
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I’m just curious, are people really comfortable giving matthews a 14 mil plus AAV on his next contract? Cause I sure am not. at this moment the highest I’d go is 12.5 AAV for 8 yrs, tell his agent and matthews in a cordial and polite manner, take it or leave it. Exactly how yzerman took his stance with stamkos, here’s our number, yes or no

Not sure I'm comfortable with it either, to be honest.
 
Signing for 5 years (the most common post-ELC term for players of his caliber) had nothing to do with "cashing out more". They agreed on 5 years to keep the cap hit lower and make sure everybody could be kept.
No, they agreed on 5 years because the alternative was to pay Matthews the McDavid contract for 8 years. To say it was "to lower the cap hit" is inaccurate and revisionist history, it was because he wanted his comparable to be McDavid, instead of settling into a 8 year contract somewhere between McDavid's and Eichel's, which is what was expected his contract would end up at.

Matthews "settled" on 5 years to get him to UFA as fast as possible, in order to cash out for as much as possible, and your boy wonder handed him the keys (along with a NMC in his last year) to further give him all the leverage in the world. "Pay me what i want or i walk as a UFA in summer of 2024"
More term would lower the cap hit on this contract, because mid-30s years are cheaper than prime years.
What does this even mean? You really think he has any desire or intention to play for LESS on his next contract, for 8 years? Because his next contract will bring him to his mid-30's? Are you contradicting your previous point? I'm honestly not sure.

His next contract will be his biggest potential earning years in the league. Zero chance he gives up even one penny to help with the salary cap mess Dubas put this team into.
 
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No, they agreed on 5 years because the alternative was to pay Matthews the McDavid contract for 8 years. To say it was "to lower the cap hit" is inaccurate and revisionist history, it was because he wanted his comparable to be McDavid, instead of settling into a 8 year contract somewhere between McDavid's and Eichel's, which is what was expected his contract would end up at.
It was to lower the cap hit, because 8 years would have been more expensive and made it harder to keep everybody together. Matthews was paid appropriately for his term, consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts. Matthews was a lot closer to McDavid (who took a significant discount) through their pre-signing periods than you'll ever admit, and both of them were multiple tiers better than Eichel.
Matthews "settled" on 5 years to get him to UFA as fast as possible, in order to cash out for as much as possible
Incorrect. Nothing has ever indicated this.
and your boy wonder handed him the keys (along with a NMC in his last year) to further give him all the leverage in the world.
5 years is the most common term for that caliber of player, and NMCs in the UFA years is pretty standard.
What does this even mean? You really think he has any desire or intention to play for LESS on his next contract, for 8 years?
I didn't say his contract is going to be less than his current contract. I said that increasing the term on a UFA contract decreases the AAV of that UFA contract, because the years you're adding on are worth less than the years you're adding onto.
Zero chance he gives up even one penny to help with the salary cap mess Dubas put this team into.
We don't have a salary cap mess. We have one of the best teams in the league.
Matthews will be paid a manageable and appropriate amount, just like he was last time.
 
Quietly up to 3rd in the league in 5v5 points. 2nd among forwards.

Not too bad for a career ~15-16% shooter and career ~78% IPP player currently sitting at sub-10% shooting and ~65% IPP.
 
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No, they agreed on 5 years because the alternative was to pay Matthews the McDavid contract for 8 years. To say it was "to lower the cap hit" is inaccurate and revisionist history, it was because he wanted his comparable to be McDavid, instead of settling into a 8 year contract somewhere between McDavid's and Eichel's, which is what was expected his contract would end up at.

Matthews "settled" on 5 years to get him to UFA as fast as possible, in order to cash out for as much as possible, and your boy wonder handed him the keys (along with a NMC in his last year) to further give him all the leverage in the world. "Pay me what i want or i walk as a UFA in summer of 2024"

What does this even mean? You really think he has any desire or intention to play for LESS on his next contract, for 8 years? Because his next contract will bring him to his mid-30's? Are you contradicting your previous point? I'm honestly not sure.

His next contract will be his biggest potential earning years in the league. Zero chance he gives up even one penny to help with the salary cap mess Dubas put this team into.
If Matthews wanted to get to UFA as fast as possible, wouldn't he have insisted on 4 years instead of 5. The deal included his first possible UFA year -- that's why he has an NMC for it -- that wouldn't be legal if it wasn't a UFA year.
 
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