Tribute Auston Matthews Discussion Thread II: Record Breaking Edition

[Niagara Bill]

AM is an amazing player, capable being a good team player, scoring regularly in the top dozen in the NHL. He is playing on scale to his $8,000,000 contract.

 

[thewave]

AM is an amazing player, capable being a good team player, scoring regularly in the top dozen in the NHL. He is playing on scale to his $8,000,000 contract.

This is the coaster year. You just sit back and take it easy so if they try and trade you they get poor value. Next year you light it up though while you have a no trade clause and then PROFIT.

 

[Stephen]

This happened before the rules of 7 and 8 year contract limits, however well before Matthews this is a list of players who re-signed for 5 years after ELC and re-signed again for 8 years with the team who drafted them.

Steven Stamkos
Patrick Kane
Jonthan Toews
Evegni Malkin
Victor Hedman

Around that same time is when Sidney Crosby signed a 12 year contract extension with the Penguins and Alex Ovechkin signed a 13 year contract extension with the Capitals.

Yeah people always framed Matthews as some kind of maverick for signing the 5 years but it was also reported he was ok with 8 too but at a premium. 5 years post ELC for high picks was industry standard for a while.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yeah people always framed Matthews as some kind of maverick for signing the 5 years but it was also reported he was ok with 8 too but at a premium. 5 years post ELC for high picks was industry standard for a while.

Maybe those people either forgot or choose to ignore what Stamkos, Kane, Toews, Malkin, and Hedman did because it went against their argument that Matthews was going to leave Toronto once his 5 year contract would be finished.

I guess you can say the one exception to that rule was John Tavares who signed a 6 year contract extension with the Islanders after his ELC and now he's a Toronto Maple Leaf. However it's not like the Islanders gave Tavares a legit reason to re-sign with them.

Another player that also signed a 5 year contract post ELC was Sebastian Aho which was that offer sheet with Montreal on July 1, 2019. Despite Carolina matching it why don't we see those same people saying he will want to leave Carolina when that contract is finished. Matthews never made to July 1, 2019 to become an RFA and offer sheet eligible, because he signed his current contract on February 5, 2019.

 

[thewave]

Yeah people always framed Matthews as some kind of maverick for signing the 5 years but it was also reported he was ok with 8 too but at a premium. 5 years post ELC for high picks was industry standard for a while.

Depends what premium means. If it were 600k a year it would be money well invested I imagine. If it were 2m a year he was just off his rocker.

If the dealer gave you the option.. 3 extra years @ $12.25m(8y) vs 11.65m(5y) which is basically 5m over the full 8 years vs his current cap hit. You have to take that but TBH he should have been signed at the current cap hit for 8 years regardless.

 

[ToneDog]

AM is an amazing player, capable being a good team player, scoring regularly in the top dozen in the NHL. He is playing on scale to his $8,000,000 contract.

One multi-goal game this year. He was in the teens last year. He's still a unicorn so not concerned during the regular season. I'm waiting until game #83+ to see what this guy is made of.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

It's very close. The sub 400 games played crowd are one tier and the 400+ another tier. You're getting into an entire second season to achieve similar.



Uncle Gary Bet99man? Not only that he will relocate him to the USA as well. Almost assuredly lol.

It's kind of crazy mcd for 500 and drai got 400 hundred in the same game. Considering drai is backpacked by mcd I thought it was fitting and absolute proof of what we all know...

 

[Zur En Arrh]

He seems determined to misrepresent how bad the Matthews' contract is as everyone knows the deal should have been 8 years in length like McDavid using his 8 year @ $12.5 mil AAV as the ceiling and comparable.

8 years @ $11.634 mil AAV = C.H. % 14.64 & 5 years @ $11.634 mil AAV = C.H. % 14.64 [It's the same C.H.% ]

AAV = total contract $ / years & then C.H.% = AAV / Total Cap Ceiling amount.

His AAV over 8 years should have been at $11.634 mil AAV (to buy all 4 years of unrestricted years which are the expensive years). Matthews giving up only 1 year of UFA status to get top AAV and CH% was ridiculous.

If you look at the top C.H.% of the top players look at the length of Matthews 4th highest C.H% (and Marner 12th) compared to ALL the other players but on shorter terms.

HIGHEST CAP HIT %

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Both Matthews and Marner should have been 8 years in length to get the C.H.% in the top 12 in the league, They protected their costly UFA and still got top $$

HIGHEST AAV

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The anomaly in both cases is the short terms of the Leafs players compared to the other players.

the only reason mcd signed for 8 years was he signed before players started signing 4/5/6 year deals to maximise cash. I bet he kicks him self because he could of reached fa sooner/us. Imagine wasting 8 years of your life over there. He should of signed 12 x5 and got the hell out. Those three years are going to be wasted..

 

[LeafsNation75]

the only reason mcd signed for 8 years was he signed before players started signing 4/5/6 year deals to maximise cash. I bet he kicks him self because he could of reached fa sooner/us. Imagine wasting 8 years of your life over there. He should of signed 12 x5 and got the hell out. Those three years are going to be wasted..

After McDavid signed for 8 years next was Jack Eichel who got his 8 year/$10 million AAV contract from Buffalo.

 

[Niagara Bill]

One multi-goal game this year. He was in the teens last year. He's still a unicorn so not concerned during the regular season. I'm waiting until game #83+ to see what this guy is made of.

Me to. I am hoping what I see is a maturing guy waiting for the most opportune time to take over. But presently he is worth only 8m

 

[AvroArrow]

It's kind of crazy mcd for 500 and drai got 400 hundred in the same game. Considering drai is backpacked by mcd I thought it was fitting and absolute proof of what we all know...

I hate the Oilers but Drai is not a product of McDavid. He carried his own line for like 2 years, even when McDavid missed time he continued to produce at the same rate. He is absolutely one of the worst forwards defensively, but the guy flat out puts up points. Obviously playing with McDavid helps his numbers a bit.

 

[thewave]

I hate the Oilers but Drai is not a product of McDavid. He carried his own line for like 2 years, even when McDavid missed time he continued to produce at the same rate. He is absolutely one of the worst forwards defensively, but the guy flat out puts up points. Obviously playing with McDavid helps his numbers a bit.

Drai is a damn good player.

 

[BallardEra]

Hopefully he starts heating up soon.

Needs 31 goals in his last 42 games to hit 50.

 

[ACC1224]

He looked pretty frustrated tonight, something is definitely off with him.

 

[34]

One of my favorite players, but I say he starts next season in LA or Arizona. I have a feeling he will force a trade out this summer.

 

[saffronleaf]

Hopefully he starts heating up soon.

Needs 31 goals in his last 42 games to hit 50.

hoping he hits forty this year. 50 is far out of reach. even thirty isn't guaranteed.

 

[ToneDog]

hoping he hits forty this year. 50 is far out of reach. even thirty isn't guaranteed.

I'll take anything that gives us a discount.

He can go back to 50+ goal seasons once he signs.

 

[wingman75]

He looked pretty frustrated tonight, something is definitely off with him.

He had some prime looks that, last season, ended up in the back of the net.

He is missing the net, A LOT!

I appreciate the defensive play. I do wonder what impact it will have in the playoffs. I say minimal, because the team has been playing well defensively in the playoffs... the reason they have been eliminated is because they couldn't score a big goal when needed.

So if he is not going to bring that... not sure what the point is.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I hate the Oilers but Drai is not a product of McDavid. He carried his own line for like 2 years, even when McDavid missed time he continued to produce at the same rate. He is absolutely one of the worst forwards defensively, but the guy flat out puts up points. Obviously playing with McDavid helps his numbers a bit.

False, most his his points come from mcd sneaking on to his line, double shifting mcd onto his line and pp... I

What you just claimed is a false narrative to try and keep Matthews a "tier" below mcd. Matthews is a better all round player and imo his size,and defence makes him the best player in the world . Hf does not like that,hence "drai carries his own line, derp duh, uh uh..""If

I mean look at drais mvp year takes like" he's the best, better than mcd" and on and on. Matthews mvp year. " Hart isint as important as lindsay " when he won the lindsay a few hours later " the Hart and lindsay don't have any credibility anymore, rigged! It's all about playoffs"

 

[Stephen]

I hate the Oilers but Drai is not a product of McDavid. He carried his own line for like 2 years, even when McDavid missed time he continued to produce at the same rate. He is absolutely one of the worst forwards defensively, but the guy flat out puts up points. Obviously playing with McDavid helps his numbers a bit.

I hate Drai but he has some really good traits that I always thought Matthews could adapt to his game, but hasn't.

Drai is actually not that big relative to the big boys but plays with an elbows out, hips popped stance than makes him bulkier to handle. He also plays a somewhat simple go to the net, take the puck to danger areas mentality that reminds me of a DPE Thornton or even Sundin. Sometimes Matthews can simplify and go more straight line like that. He's also a very pissy player and gives a lot of cheap shots and cross checks back, which would be great to see out of Matthews. Otherwise a horrible defensive player.

 

[Leafsfan74]

He seems determined to misrepresent how bad the Matthews' contract is as everyone knows the deal should have been 8 years in length like McDavid using his 8 year @ $12.5 mil AAV as the ceiling and comparable.

8 years @ $11.634 mil AAV = C.H. % 14.64 & 5 years @ $11.634 mil AAV = C.H. % 14.64 [It's the same C.H.% ]

AAV = total contract $ / years & then C.H.% = AAV / Total Cap Ceiling amount.

His AAV over 8 years should have been at $11.634 mil AAV (to buy all 4 years of unrestricted years which are the expensive years). Matthews giving up only 1 year of UFA status to get top AAV and CH% was ridiculous.

If you look at the top C.H.% of the top players look at the length of Matthews 4th highest C.H% (and Marner 12th) compared to ALL the other players but on shorter terms.

HIGHEST CAP HIT %

View attachment 630689

Both Matthews and Marner should have been 8 years in length to get the C.H.% in the top 12 in the league, They protected their costly UFA and still got top $$

HIGHEST AAV

View attachment 630702

The anomaly in both cases is the short terms of the Leafs players compared to the other players.

At the time I had made the argument on here that from an earnings perspective his agent would do him well by going the shorter route with a little less money. Some dismissed my perspective and it happened.

The only reason he would not go short is out of fear of a career debilitating injury or a real drop off in performance. He earns far more negotiating it the way he did, with of course, the risk he gets injured or falling off of the map. He is surrounded with talent so he is in a good spot.

At this point also, his camp has to know that his value to the Leafs and for himself, is far greater than it would be elsewhere. It's a perfect symbiotic relationship and I'm sure even many other teams owners are happy he is on The Leafs because they will receive those few games of added revenue when tney come to town. The Leafs are the Lakers of the NBA, the Cowboys.of the NFL. Star power means even more fans for away games.

The lack of playoff success falls on the big earners, he and others seem focused on a much bigger goal this year. We will see if he can Will himself and his team like a.Michael Jordan would in his prime.

 

[leafsfan5]

If there is an injury, I wonder if there's some kind of treatment he can have that would have him ready 1-2 weeks before the playoffs begin. It's probably not the case, but maybe there is something

The season is essentially over for us, we're locked into A2 or A3. Might as well use this time to see if we can do anything to have Matty back to close to 100%. We'll survive without him

 

[LeafsNation75]

If there is an injury, I wonder if there's some kind of treatment he can have that would have him ready 1-2 weeks before the playoffs begin. It's probably not the case, but maybe there is something

The season is essentially over for us, we're locked into A2 or A3. Might as well use this time to see if we can do anything to have Matty back to close to 100%. We'll survive without him

If Matthews is playing injured, wouldn't he have missed some games by now? We have seen him miss games in the past when Keefe decided not to play him for precautionary reasons.

 

[leafsfan5]

If Matthews was playing injured, wouldn't he have missed some games by now? We have seen him miss games in the past when Keefe decided not to play him for precautionary reasons.

It might be the case like it was a few years ago (I think the bubble season) where they realized he's hurt but can play through it and get the surgery done in the offseason

If he's not hurt.....then we have a problem where our MVP center suddenly lost his ability to score

 

[LeafsNation75]

Let's hope that Matthews 20th goal is a sign of things to come, and he can start a consecutive goal scoring streak.