A lot of players may be in that tier such as MacKinnon
Mackinnon is not in that tier.
but few have put up back to back 100+ point seasons with a Hart.
I care about the quality of player, not their shiny totals/irrelevant trophies without context.
Until he does that your even strength goals per 60 on games where it was foggy outside on Saturday evenings is useless.
Actually, it's even strength goals per 60, even strength points per 60, even strength primary points per 60, powerplay goals per 60, powerplay points per 60, and powerplay primary points per 60. You know, just the entirety of production, and it's way more valuable and representative than raw points will ever be.
We do not in general underrate these two, not by a long shot.
They are two of the most underrated players in the entire cap era. If these players came in in 2005/2006 and got 6 minutes of PPs every game like Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin, the perception on this board would be incredibly different. Heck, if they got the league average PP TOI for superstars
today, the perception on this board would be incredibly different.
Hell a year after Marner was drafted people were already saying that he is the clear cut number two player from the draft.
A few people said this, because Marner had a season for the ages in the OHL, with stats that projected him to be a superstar. He
is the 2nd best player from that draft today.
Results matter results matter.
Yes, results matter. Context also matters. Per 60 stats are results, just with crucial context added.
Not cherry picked stats to suit an argument.
There is nothing cherry picked about any of the stats I have posted. In fact, it's incredibly hard to find anything they aren't one of the best in the league at. No matter which type of production I looked at, no matter which time-frame I used, they kept popping up at the top. That's
very rare, and that's basically just their pre-prime results.
Unless this attitude from our fans changes every players narcissistic side will keep getting fed whichll make them think higher of themselves than justified and screw the cap.
There is nothing "screwed" with the Leaf's cap. Leafs are in one of the best situations league-wide with the cap. They have their core locked in and zero bad contracts moving forward.