Auston Matthews back to back hat tricks

[JT3]

Man I missed hockey, glad to see you all again. Also Matthews is Montreal's Papi.

Until the playoffs come around, and then all the sudden the Leafs are out of milk and Papi is never seen again.

 

[Godzilla]

He was, and looked good.

Its hard to take clowns like that seriously when they don't even realized that he played and got on to the scoresheet.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nice, Leafs had to score to send it to OT with goalie pulled.

 

[umma gumma]

Its hard to take clowns like that seriously when they don't even realized that he played and got on to the scoresheet.

And acting like they own the playoffs.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Matthews 302G in 482GP
Ovechkin 304G in 482GP

Surprisingly close to start their careers

That's actually wild if it's true, I didn't know that. Everyone take's his playoff resume and completely blame's him and forgets how great the guy really is, kinda crazy how far US hockey has come since I was a kid.

 

[MCR74]

Nice, Leafs had to score to send it to OT with goalie pulled.

Too bad Stutzle couldn't do the same for Ottawa. I expected more from the best bargain in the league.

 

[ToDavid]

I don’t think anyone can hope for the same type of production into his 30’s that Ovechkin has shown, that’s just not normal.

However, no one has paced like this at the beginning of their careers to keep pace with young Ovechkin. And that’s it’s own incredible feat.

Very happy to have Matthews in a Maple Leaf for years to come. Way more than I’d want Stutzle

Oh for sure, no one should be disappointed if he doesn’t keep up with that freak of nature into his 30s. Will be fun to watch the chase though.

 

[robertmac43]

Kid's a stud. Hopefully he stays healthy this season.

 

[umma gumma]

Too bad Stutzle couldn't do the same for Ottawa. I expected more from the best bargain in the league.

Indeed. It also remains to be seen if Timmy chokes as hard in the post season as Austin does.

Matthews is a regular season beast though.

 

[AvroArrow]

He was, and looked good.

Didn't notice him at all, I genuinely thought he wasn't playing. Caufield and Suzuki looked really good, Slaf was pretty invisible.

 

[filinski77]

The scoring era argument is always just a joke. Just because the players didn’t produce this well 20 years ago means nothing.

They had their chance, they didn’t do it.

Talent ebs and flows over the years, not every era is talent equivalent. And era adjusted stats assumes that talent levels aren’t relative.

It’s pretty simple stats, a goal goes in, it counts as 1 full goal. It’s not later run through a calculator to find out how much of a percentage of a goal it’s worth.

If an era sucked at scoring goals, that’s just the way it is

"Pretty simple stats" LOL. Let me ask you some questions that follows your logic, and please answer yes or no to them.

1) In 2017, 2nd place in goals scored 40. Last season, 19 players scored 40. Do you agree that 19 players last year were simply equal or better goal scorers than #2 in the league in 2017?

2) 36 year old Ovechkin scored 50 goals in 77gp 2 seasons ago (53 goal pace). Is 36 year old Ovechkin just as good of a goal scorer as a 20's Ovechkin then?

3) In Matthews rookie season, he finished tied for 2nd in goals with 40 goals. In 92/93, 25 players scored 40 goals. Do you believe that if Matthews as a rookie in 1993 would have barely been a top goal-scorer in the league then?

4) In 2022 Matthews had his peak season (so far), and finished 1st in goals/gp and 3rd in points/gp. If he played in 1993, do you believe he would have only finished 12th in points/gp and 4th in goals/gp?

5) In 2014, Crosby won the Art Ross with 104 points (2nd place was 87 pts). Were Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Mackinnon, Robertson, Tkacuhk, Rantanen all better last year than Crosby was in 2014? Was Nuge, Pettersson, Erik Karlsson, Jack Hughes, Marner (all between 99 and 104 points) all in the same stratosphere as peak Crosby?

6) Did all of the following players peak higher than Matthews (based on goals and points per game) -> Charlie Simmer, Dennis Maruk, Michel Goulet, Bernie Nicholls, Lafontaine, Brett Hull (by miles), Yzerman, Selanne, Mogilny? Is Matthews peak essentially only on pare with the following players -> Kevin Stevens, Robitaille, Turgeon, Rob Brown, Lanny McDonald, Dionne? Is Matthews peak actually nothing special in the grande scheme of the history of the NHL?

 

[beowulf]

That's nice Brock on the west coast says no biggie I will match ya and add another.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The scoring era argument is always just a joke. Just because the players didn’t produce this well 20 years ago means nothing.

They had their chance, they didn’t do it.

Talent ebs and flows over the years, not every era is talent equivalent. And era adjusted stats assumes that talent levels aren’t relative.

It’s pretty simple stats, a goal goes in, it counts as 1 full goal. It’s not later run through a calculator to find out how much of a percentage of a goal it’s worth.

If an era sucked at scoring goals, that’s just the way it is

This is kind of a weird way to explain things, everyone says well this player would do this, It's simply how did said player play against his peers, I never got to watch Gretzky, I wasn't even born but the way in which he dominated his peers in that era tells me what I need to know. Do I think McDavid would do the same shit in Gretzky's era? Yeah, 100% sure. But era's are extremely hard to compare. We hear our grandpas / dads says no one will ever be Gretzky or Mario. And we're going to tell our kids no one will ever be Connor McDavid. Take it for what it is lol

 

[Godzilla]

Didn't notice him at all, I genuinely thought he wasn't playing. Caufield and Suzuki looked really good, Slaf was pretty invisible.

. Here. See if you noticed him now. I guess the Leafs players didn't notice him skating right by them either, including your beloved captain.

 

[Azrael89]

lol is this the the Tim Stutzle thread? Talk about living in someone's head!

Right? What the hell is going on?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Right? What the hell is going on?

Leafs vs Montreal includes fan reactions from the little brothers Vancouver and Ottawa who want, so badly, to be a part of the conversation.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

almost

think there's still another 10 minutes or so till that game starts

who? Boeser?

 

[AvroArrow]

. Here. See if you noticed him now. I guess the Leafs players didn't notice him skating right by them either, including your beloved captain.

Decent assist, nice play by the kid. But he really didn't make an impact other than that play, being very genuine, I did not notice him at all during the game. Suzuki/Caufield were all over the place though, great game by those two.

 

[Strangle]

"Pretty simple stats" LOL. Let me ask you some questions that follows your logic, and please answer yes or no to them.

1) In 2017, 2nd place in goals scored 40. Last season, 19 players scored 40. Do you agree that 19 players last year were simply equal or better goal scorers than #2 in the league in 2017?

2) 36 year old Ovechkin scored 50 goals in 77gp 2 seasons ago (53 goal pace). Is 36 year old Ovechkin just as good of a goal scorer as a 20's Ovechkin then?

3) In Matthews rookie season, he finished tied for 2nd in goals with 40 goals. In 92/93, 25 players scored 40 goals. Do you believe that if Matthews as a rookie in 1993 would have barely been a top goal-scorer in the league then?

4) In 2022 Matthews had his peak season (so far), and finished 1st in goals/gp and 3rd in points/gp. If he played in 1993, do you believe he would have only finished 12th in points/gp and 4th in goals/gp?

5) In 2014, Crosby won the Art Ross with 104 points (2nd place was 87 pts). Were Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Mackinnon, Robertson, Tkacuhk, Rantanen all better last year than Crosby was in 2014? Was Nuge, Pettersson, Erik Karlsson, Jack Hughes, Marner (all between 99 and 104 points) all in the same stratosphere as peak Crosby?

6) Did all of the following players peak higher than Matthews (based on goals and points per game) -> Charlie Simmer, Dennis Maruk, Michel Goulet, Bernie Nicholls, Lafontaine, Brett Hull (by miles), Yzerman, Selanne, Mogilny? Is Matthews peak essentially only on pare with the following players -> Kevin Stevens, Robitaille, Turgeon, Rob Brown, Lanny McDonald, Dionne? Is Matthews peak actually nothing special in the grande scheme of the history of the NHL?

Jesus Christ, man. I’m not parsing all of that to respond when all of it is just trying to make the same point.

Is Matthews peak actually nothing special in the grande scheme of the history of the NHL?

This is all that really matters. And the stats will bear it out at the end of the day, and you’ll get a much clearer answer than you’re hoping for.

I can’t remember a time when 50 goal seasons or 60 goal seasons or 300 goals in under 500 games wasn’t historically special in the NHL. But you do you.

 

[umma gumma]

Leafs vs Montreal includes fan reactions from the little brothers Vancouver and Ottawa who want, so badly, to be a part of the conversation.

Well, if you followed the thread it was Leaf fans that brought Stutzle into the conversation. Its like we were invited.

 

[Strangle]

This is kind of a weird way to explain things, everyone says well this player would do this, It's simply how did said player play against his peers, I never got to watch Gretzky, I wasn't even born but the way in which he dominated his peers in that era tells me what I need to know. Do I think McDavid would do the same shit in Gretzky's era? Yeah, 100% sure. But era's are extremely hard to compare. We hear our grandpas / dads says no one will ever be Gretzky or Mario. And we're going to tell our kids no one will ever be Connor McDavid. Take it for what it is lol

You have to understand that we aren’t in here comparing stats to 50 years ago, there are people in here comparing stats within one players career (Ovechkin)

Well, if you followed the thread it was Leaf fans that brought Stutzle into the conversation. Its like we were invited.

I doubt it was a leaf fan who created the Stutzle v matthews poll though lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

I doubt it was a leaf fan who created the Stutzle v matthews poll though lol

Wasn’t a Sens fan either, so doesn’t help your cause.
Lol at leaf fans bringing Stutzle up in the thread, rent free.

 

[umma gumma]

I doubt it was a leaf fan who created the Stutzle v matthews poll though lol

Sure, but that's not where we are.

This thread is about Matthew's 3 goals last night. What does Timmay have to do with it?

 

[Team_Spirit]

This thread is so bad it's actually good

Keep going

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Dude is washed. 75% effort from his first season. Sad.