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JKG33 said:
Because he's set out on being the highest paid player in the league when he's not better than the comparables of his desired contract
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Not how I would describe a ‘pain in the ass’.
 
Throw More Waffles said:
Aho had higher gpg EVERY season but last year. Aho had better ppg EVERY SEASON but last year and rookie year.
And remember just a few days ago in the Marner vs Rantanen arguments where you kept talking about the value of Marner on the pk and getting selke votes?
All out the window with Nylander vs Aho, eh?
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The only reason people get tricked into thinking Aho is a better producer is because he picks up a bunch of empty net goals and points.
Nylander actually outpaced Aho in 3 of the past 4 years in terms of producing against a goalie - with the biggest lead of them all in the most recent season.
And nobody is dismissing Aho's PKing or comparative defense (though both pale in comparison to Marner). That is just contrasted with Nylander being a better producer at 5v5 and on the PP, making them relatively comparable overall. Not really the same as the Marner vs. Rantanen example where Rantanen isn't better at anything.

The funny thing is, if this was reversed, you'd be out here talking about how trying to pay somebody coming off a 67 point season the same as somebody coming off an 87 point season was absurd and an unprecedented dramatic overpayment. Suddenly the most recent season raw point total isn't all that matters.
 
Dekes For Days said:
The only reason people get tricked into thinking Aho is a better producer is because he picks up a bunch of empty net goals and points.
Nylander actually outpaced Aho in 3 of the past 4 years in terms of producing against a goalie - with the biggest lead of them all in the most recent season.
And nobody is dismissing Aho's PKing or comparative defense (though both pale in comparison to Marner). That is just contrasted with Nylander being a better producer at 5v5 and on the PP, making them relatively comparable overall. Not really the same as the Marner vs. Rantanen example where Rantanen isn't better at anything.

The funny thing is, if this was reversed, you'd be out here talking about how trying to pay somebody coming off a 67 point season the same as somebody coming off an 87 point season was absurd and an unprecedented dramatic overpayment. Suddenly the most recent season raw point total isn't all that matters.
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Dude you gotta wonder how Carolina even finishes with more points than Toronto every year.

Better offense? Toronto of course
Better defense? Toronto of course
Nylander who is Toronto's 4th-6th best player based on opinion is "very comparable" to Carolina's best player Aho.

I guess the goaltending and luck just favors Carolina every year. Just stunning how Toronto always comes out on the wrong end of this.

From the way you paint every comparison between these two teams it's like they're not even comparable teams. Either that or your bizarre stats and pseudo logic just don't line up with reality at all.
 
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IPS said:
Dude you gotta wonder how Carolina even finishes with more points than Toronto every year.

Better offense? Toronto of course
Better defense? Toronto of course
Nylander who is Toronto's 4th-6th best player based on opinion is "very comparable" to Carolina's best player Aho.

I guess the goaltending and luck just favors Carolina every year. Just stunning how Toronto always comes out on the wrong end of this.
From the way you paint every comparison between these two teams it's like they're not even comparable teams.
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I didn't even compare the two teams. I compared one player on each of the two teams.
And my conclusion was that the players were comparable, so I'm not sure how you think that paints the teams as not comparable.
Also to your "finishes with more points than Toronto every year" comment, there's been a 2, 1 and 3 point gap between them the past 3 years.

Also not sure where you got the idea that we were better at everything. Carolina, for example, was the best defensive team in the league this year. Just not because of Aho.
And the year before, they got massively better goaltending. Also not because of Aho.
Nylander is also arguably our 3rd best player at this point, and it's very debatable whether Aho is Carolina's best player.
 
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IPS said:
Dude you gotta wonder how Carolina even finishes with more points than Toronto every year.

Better offense? Toronto of course
Better defense? Toronto of course
Nylander who is Toronto's 4th-6th best player based on opinion is "very comparable" to Carolina's best player Aho.

I guess the goaltending and luck just favors Carolina every year. Just stunning how Toronto always comes out on the wrong end of this.

From the way you paint every comparison between these two teams it's like they're not even comparable teams. Either that or your bizarre stats and pseudo logic just don't line up with reality at all.
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It is what made whoever invent the saying sum of its parts

While our players can have lots of micro analyzed favorable arguments our parts have consistently been missing glue.. or whichever bonding agent you would prefer
 
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IPS said:
Dude you gotta wonder how Carolina even finishes with more points than Toronto every year.

Better offense? Toronto of course
Better defense? Toronto of course
Nylander who is Toronto's 4th-6th best player based on opinion is "very comparable" to Carolina's best player Aho.

I guess the goaltending and luck just favors Carolina every year. Just stunning how Toronto always comes out on the wrong end of this.

From the way you paint every comparison between these two teams it's like they're not even comparable teams. Either that or your bizarre stats and pseudo logic just don't line up with reality at all.
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It's hilarious. I don't even like Carolina but it's amazing what a more complete team can do. They don't have the overpaid/overrated stars like Matthews/Marner, but they roll out 4 lines and have d group as legit as they come.
 
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Stephen said:
I saw Wendel '93 and '94 onwards at his career peak and team peak, and on his return tours where he was a more diminished player... as a youngster I was definitely more captivated by the other stuff that Wendelmania but looking back through the years in different competitive situations, you get an appreciation for how much you'd want a Wendel Clark in an emotional situation.

Bennett putting Knies on the IR with that behind the net mugging? Bennett would be joining Knies shortly.

Carey Price shutting down Toronto in Game 6 in 2021? I could see a Wendel bullet wrister from the high slot, top corner ending that nonsense.
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I still get chills when I remember how he tied Game 6 up against LA with only a few minutes left. He definitely would have destroyed Bennett for what he was doing.
 
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JKG33 said:
Yea, it's easy when you're negotiating with Dubas and he caves on term and AAV. No wonder it went so smoothly
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Glad Dubas is gone...now that he left and it's obvious by the contracts he handed out that he didn't learn as much as we thought...I can breathe a bit easier. I had hoped he learned a hard lesson but I think he is just plain stubborn about his theory of building a team.
 
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andora said:
It is what made whoever invent the saying sum of its parts

While our players can have lots of micro analyzed favorable arguments our parts have consistently been missing glue.. or whichever bonding agent you would prefer
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Brind'Amour's system is basically a modernized version of LA's system from 2012-2014. The offense gets choked off a fair bit to make an extremely difficult to beat defensive system. Carolina just isn't a team where players will produce big offensive numbers.
 
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IPS said:
Brind'Amour's system is basically a modernized version of LA's system from 2012-2014. The offense gets choked off a fair bit to make an extremely difficult to beat defensive system. Carolina just isn't a team where players will produce big offensive numbers.
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100% - i love how they play, the simplicity and pace of it

he needs to adjust a bit though, or find that spot of how to get more goals.. they need that. other than that like i said i love how they play, get the puck out, incredible puck support that when they are rolling it looks like they have 6 guys on the ice and it works with man to man in the dzone, which conventionally i'm meh on.
 
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IPS said:
Brind'Amour's system is basically a modernized version of LA's system from 2012-2014. The offense gets choked off a fair bit to make an extremely difficult to beat defensive system. Carolina just isn't a team where players will produce big offensive numbers.
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They're actually nothing like LA 2012-2014. They live by the philosophy that the best defense is a good offense, and push the pace consistently. They allow so little defensively and choke teams off because they spend so little time in the defensive zone, not because they have any kind of special defensively-oriented system. If anything, their system would promote production, not hinder it.
 
IPS said:
Brind'Amour's system is basically a modernized version of LA's system from 2012-2014. The offense gets choked off a fair bit to make an extremely difficult to beat defensive system. Carolina just isn't a team where players will produce big offensive numbers.
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I don't really see a tonne of similarities. LA played big and heavy, forcing mistakes because they were so well positioned but weren't overly fast. Carolina plays hard but they're not heavy like LA, and they can force a lot more because of their speed getting on the puck and in the lanes.

Both very disciplined and defensively sound teams, but not very similar otherwise
 
Hellcat said:
You know this how?
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There is a thread on the main boards that Kipper and the people he has talked to think it is 13.5. The more challeged members of the board took that as Matthews wanting 13.5, and decided he was being greedy and difficult in negotiations. He might want that and might be difficult, but we have no idea actually.
 
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JKG33 said:
You can find it if you're so interested. It's posted all over earlier in this thread and on the main boards. I'm not gunna do your research for you. If I'm wrong I'm sure you'll point it out
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Point that was being made is your getting all worked up by SPECULATION, truth is you got no god-dang clue what he is TRUTHFULLY asking for, in fact you don't even know for a fact that he has even asked for one red cent. Has Matthews actually said anything that confims your uneducated opinion? For all you know he might be asking for 12 mil but is waiting for Nylander to sign because he does not want his contract to influence Nylander in a negative way.

There is one fact that we both know to be true, you don't know a thing about this negotiation. Stop being "that" guy who forms and opinion based on rumors and thinks it is as valid as a person who forms an opinion based on quantifiable facts. Zero facts are available about this negotiation.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
There is a thread on the main boards that Kipper and the people he has talked to think it is 13.5. The more challeged members of the board took that as Matthews wanting 13.5, and decided he was being greedy and difficult in negotiations. He might want that and might be difficult, but we have no idea actually.
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"The more challenged" lmfao we had a whole segment of this fanbase that worshipped Dubas.

If it is indeed 13.5, that means Matthews is in all likelihood asking for even more than that. So yea, that's greedy af
 
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JKG33 said:
"The more challenged" lmfao we had a whole segment of this fanbase that worshipped Dubas.

If it is indeed 13.5, that means Matthews is in all likelihood asking for even more than that. So yea, that's greedy af
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Some members liked Dubas. Some support the GM regardless, but no one worshipped Dubas. I liked Dubas. Now he is irrelevant in my mind as he is no longer a Leaf. The fact remains that no one really has any idea what Matthews is asking for. Your guess is just as good and as valid as Kipper's.
 
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