News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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13.5 is a fair deal, but id argue it doesn't fit with how this teams cap is structured.

Mitch is going to want the same deal, Nylander is going to want close to Matthews old contract.

One of them needs to be traded to show them that in a cap world these contract demands mean you cant stay in your preferred destination and get overpaid. You either like it here and take a hit, or you leave and get paid.
 
If we're looking at fairly recent history of success in the regular season and playoffs, I would say that Gilmour, Clark and Sundin would be ranked ahead of him as well.
Matthews can't sniff Dougie Gilmour as a Leaf. Gilmour had a two year run for the Leafs that was untouchable by anyone on the current roster, Matthews included. In those two seasons:

1992-93:
Regular season: 32/95/127
Playoffs: 10/25/35 in 21GP
Wins Selke

1993-94:
Regular season: 27/84/111
Playoffs: 6/22/28 in 18GP

... plus all the leadership, grit, and intangibles he brought on a nightly basis.

Sundin is Sundin, perhaps the Greatest Leaf ever. Certainly Top-3. He's the Leafs all-tme leading scorer, was Captain forever, and was as consistent as you get. He also thrived in big moments.

Wendel is a different animal altogether. He didn't have the raw talent, stats, or hardware to rival Matthews, but he has everything else. The leadership, the fight, physicality, intimidation, competitiveness, and came up huge. He might be the most iconic Leaf ever. Certainly among the most beloved.

Modern day, I definitely have Matthews behind Gilmour and Sundin. Clark is debatable, but all things considered, Clark likely wins by sentiment if I were choosing today. Wendel loved being a Leaf and was heartbroken when he was traded. Matthews seems to only like being a Leaf if they cater to his every demand and pay him more than any player in NHL history. Huge difference there in terms of how these players are revered in Leafs history as men.

But, if you look back, guys like Davie Keon, Sittler, Salming, Horton, Apps, Kennedy, Clancy, etc. were all greater Leafs than Auston Matthews. Even guys like Mahovlich and a couple of goalies could outrank him right now.
 
That was more because he chose the teams he was most interested in talking to, and then of course there were definitely teams in a different phase such as a rebuild. There were 100% more than 7 teams that would have liked to talk to him about signing.

I remember Montreal fans were pissed over Tavares not granting them an interview. Good times.
 
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That was more because he chose the teams he was most interested in talking to, and then of course there were definitely teams in a different phase such as a rebuild. There were 100% more than 7 teams that would have liked to talk to him about signing.
Any team in the league would have signed him if they had the opportunity.
 
13.5 is a fair deal, but id argue it doesn't fit with how this teams cap is structured.

Mitch is going to want the same deal, Nylander is going to want close to Matthews old contract.

One of them needs to be traded to show them that in a cap world these contract demands mean you cant stay in your preferred destination and get overpaid. You either like it here and take a hit, or you leave and get paid.
People keep missing the point. Throw "fair deal" out the window when it comes to a hard cap. The days of being fair, or cut-and-dry, were thrown out the window the day the NHL instituted a hard cap.

How is it fair that Connor McDavid doesn't have a fluid lock on being the highest paid player in the NHL (by a lot) each year? How is it fair that Matt Tkachuk signed for 9.5 million x 8 years, scoring back-to-back 40+ goal, 104 and 109 point seasons in addition to 34 points in 32 playoff games while Mitch Marner is being paid 10.9 million on a shorter deal that he signed years ago?

There is no such thing as total fairness or worth in the NHL these days -- a lot goes into determining that, such as market, team cache and desirability, opportunity to win, a GM/team's desperation to sell tickets, a player prioritizing winning over dollars, etc.

Saying "13.5 million is fair for Auston Matthews" doesn't make sense to me. What is that fairness based on exactly? If it's comparable contracts, Matthews shouldn't make anything more than MacKinnon's 12.6 x 8. That would be fair based on comparing deals. Why does Matthews deserve a million more than MacKinnon, especially on lesser term? He doesn't. So paying him that could be considered unfair to the Leafs.

Are we basing fairness on the same (flawed) John Tavares UFA argument, which is: "Other teams would gladly pay Matthews 13.5 so it's only fair the Leafs do"? That line of thinking is broken on many levels. Sure, there are some teams who would pay Matthews even more than 13.5 a year because they can't draw a crowd, are struggling for popularity in their market, or flat out stink. But that doesn't mean the Leafs should be held hostage by this premise considering they are a great market, with great players, great fans, are considered hockey royalty, and should be able to offer Matthews annual chances to compete for a Cup if he does his part.

The only fair thing that both Matthews and the Leafs can do in a hard cap NHL is cordially agree to a win-win deal that:

1. Pays Matthews extremely well and on par with, or above, 99% of other great superstars.

2. Is long-term in nature so both the club and the player equally commit to the end goal of winning Cups.

3. Takes into consideration the Leafs other stars that need a cut so Matthews isn't on an island shouldering all the burden. Any deal signed must still leave enough left over for the betterment of both Matthews' and the team's success.

That ^ is the only criteria that should define "fair" in this particular case. Anything else (including 13.5 x 4) is completely one-sided in Matthews' favor. He's getting everything without concession and the Leafs are being bent over. This is not fair unless you're only interested in cheerleading for Matthews.

This is why I still firmly believe that the only win-win outcome should be matching MacKinnon's 12.6 x 8.

Matthews joins MacKinnon as the highest paid in history and will end up making about 200 million in salary if he remains healthy after this deal. The Leafs can then likely manage to squeeze in both Nylander + Marner and have more money down the line (as the cap increases) to surround Matthews & co. with even more support to help them win Cups.

It's not difficult. Unless the player doesn't care about winning Cups and only wants every dollar. In that case, it's fair for the Leafs to trade him because that type of player is beyond selfish and will never prioritize team success.
 
That was more because he chose the teams he was most interested in talking to, and then of course there were definitely teams in a different phase such as a rebuild. There were 100% more than 7 teams that would have liked to talk to him about signing.
It's completely irrelevant. I said it the day it happened -- the Leafs were fools for signing Tavares to 11 x 7. And guess what, the Sharks would have been even bigger suckers for signing him to 13 x 7 (if that was even true and not simply posturing).

It doesn't matter what mistake other teams were willing to make, the Leafs didn't need to follow suit. The Flyers overpaid for Kevin freaking Hayes, so what? Teams sign players to horrific deals all the time, regret it, then try to find another sucker to trade for them a few years down the line.

The same for Matthews. If some team is foolish enough to pay him 14-15 million on the open market, so be it. Get rid of him and carefully spend that money when the time is right on other players who help get you farther in the playoffs. If Matthews at 11.6 can't get it done (with all the core+) then Matthews at 13.5, 14, or 15 definitely won't get it done (without the core+).
 
It's completely irrelevant. I said it the day it happened -- the Leafs were fools for signing Tavares to 11 x 7. And guess what, the Sharks would have been even bigger suckers for signing him to 13 x 7 (if that was even true and not simply posturing).

It doesn't matter what mistake other teams were willing to make, the Leafs didn't need to follow suit. The Flyers overpaid for Kevin freaking Hayes, so what? Teams sign players to horrific deals all the time, regret it, then try to find another sucker to trade for them a few years down the line.

The same for Matthews. If some team is foolish enough to pay him 14-15 million on the open market, so be it. Get rid of him and carefully spend that money when the time is right on other players who help get you farther in the playoffs. If Matthews at 11.6 can't get it done (with all the core+) then Matthews at 13.5, 14, or 15 definitely won't get it done (without the core+).
All I was saying was that more than 7 teams would have been interested in signing him. Nothing you said here is relevant to my post.
 
All I was saying was that more than 7 teams would have been interested in signing him. Nothing you said here is relevant to my post.
Well it is relevant. Because the justification for the Leafs signing Tavares for 11 million was based on the notion that they had to engage in a bidding war against tons of suitors. And, yes, I agree with you that many teams would have loved to signed Tavares. Some would have offered 11 like the Leafs, some would have offered less, some would have offered more. My point being: even if 25 teams all wanted to sign Tavares, the Leafs paying him 11 x 7 was a big mistake then and it still is now. I also think it's silly when fans justify bad moves with the blanket, "other teams would have done it" excuse (not saying you are).
 
I know I’m wasting my time here, but where exactly is the bolded mentioned, or is this just a pitiful segue to your own narrative?

Carry on…

Considering Clark has precisely one season with more than 60 points you’d have a hell of a time arguing he’s better than Matthews at anything but hitting or fighting. If you score more goals than the other guy has points in all but one season, AINEC becomes appropriate.

“But but but the regular season doesn’t matter, Clark was a playoff beast!” you may say until you notice he scores goals and points at a worse rate than playoff ghost Matthews. The man had two good playoff runs worth talking about in his entire career.

Gilmour, Keon, Sittler, Sundin, being better all time sure, but let’s try to at least pretend to be realistic here.
 
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Considering Clark has precisely one season with more than 60 points you’d have a hell of a time arguing he’s better than Matthews at anything but hitting or fighting. If you score more goals than the other guy has points in all but one season, AINEC becomes appropriate.

“But but but the regular season doesn’t matter, Clark was a playoff beast!” you may say until you notice he scores goals and points at a worse rate than playoff ghost Matthews. The man had two good playoff runs worth talking about in his entire career.

Gilmour, Keon, Sittler, Sundin, being better all time sure, but let’s try to at least pretend to be realistic here.
Valid points, but you might be confusing better player vs. greater Leaf.

Bryan McCabe was scoring more points on D than Bob Baun. Was he a greater Leaf?

Clark was a gifted shooter and goal scorer. Not elite like Matthews but a very good shooter nonetheless. He can't touch Matthews digits but he was one of the greatest leaders and competitors in franchise history. He fought and bled for the crest, his teammates, and the fans. He upped his game when needed. He was the most inspirational Leaf in history without question -- nobody fired up his club or the fans like Wendel did.

Comparing any player to Clark without factoring in Wendel's intangibles, heart, leadership, and beloved status, is unfairly doing him a disservice.

If the Leafs had to play one game -- and the survival of their franchise hung in the balance -- I don't think any true fan, GM, coach, or player would take prime Auston Matthews over prime Wendel Clark to play in the game. I know I sure wouldn't. But, hey, on a random Tuesday night game vs. the Blue Jackets in November, I'll take Matthews.
 
Valid points, but you might be confusing better player vs. greater Leaf.

Bryan McCabe was scoring more points on D than Bob Baun. Was he a greater Leaf?

Clark was a gifted shooter and goal scorer. Not elite like Matthews but a very good shooter nonetheless. He can't touch Matthews digits but he was one of the greatest leaders and competitors in franchise history. He fought and bled for the crest, his teammates, and the fans. He upped his game when needed. He was the most inspirational Leaf in history without question -- nobody fired up his club or the fans like Wendel did.

Comparing any player to Clark without factoring in Wendel's intangibles, heart, leadership, and beloved status, is unfairly doing him a disservice.

If the Leafs had to play one game -- and the survival of their franchise hung in the balance -- I don't think any true fan, GM, coach, or player would take prime Auston Matthews over prime Wendel Clark to play in the game. I know I sure wouldn't. But, hey, in a random Tuesday night gave vs. the Blue Jackets in November, I'll take Matthews.

Listen I liked watching the guy, in the games he was healthy enough to play he was by far more entertaining than Matthews and that’s ultimately what we’re paying for - to be entertained.

If we’re playing imaginary hypotheticals where Clark can play his style of game at 110% intensity and not be injured 60% of his career then sure I’ll take him for the do or die game. In the real world, you have worse than coin flip odds of him being able to dress for that game, and no, having him dress for it on two shredded knees and broken hand to show how tough and committed he is would not be a good idea.

I can’t imagine other franchises try to put a meaner version Zach Hyman with a wrist shot in their top-5 all time franchise lists, let alone a 100 year old O6 franchise. Would Clark even sniff the top 30 for Detroit or Montreal?
 
You think there are 15 teams that wouldn't want Matthews at 13 mil?



Jesus, this guy.
With a quick count ive come up with 12 that either wouldnt want him or cant afford him without serious maneuvering. Im sure thered more.
CAR, COL, EDM, FLA, LA, NJ, NYI, NYR, PIT, TB, VGK, WSH
 
With a quick count ive come up with 12 that either wouldnt want him or cant afford him without serious maneuvering. Im sure thered more.
CAR, COL, EDM, FLA, LA, NJ, NYI, NYR, PIT, TB, VGK, WSH

The question is not if they could afford him but would they WANT him. Florida could not afford Tkachuk unless they had money out, afford is as easy as money out money in. With the exception of Edmonton, he's a #1 center on all the teams you listed.
 
The question is not if they could afford him but would they WANT him. Florida could not afford Tkachuk unless they had money out, afford is as easy as money out money in. With the exception of Edmonton, he's a #1 center on all the teams you listed.
Well that's just pure bias right there. He'd be #2 on at least Colorado, Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Vegas.

I mean yea every team wants every good player, but thats just not how things work
 
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I kind of disagree with you here. I'd take Tavares and Nylander over Kane and RNH. Their defence was atrocious before Ekholm, and is still not great with him. And their goaltending over the last few playoffs (Smith and then Skinner) has been arguably worse than the Leafs (Andersen, Campbell, Samsonov). The bottom 6 I'll give you, it's largely forgettable trash in blue and orange vs forgettable trash in blue and white.

To me the Oilers duo has done a lot more with a lot less, even if they are absolute defensive liabilities. They found a way to even hang with Vegas which surprised me. As @Martin Skoula said, their PP is shit your pants level scary. When the Kings started taking penalties this year I knew deep down it was over since Quick wasn't there to bail them out this time around.

To circle back to Matthews, that's what's really missing is special teams performance. For a group of highly paid offensive superstars, the idea of taking a penalty against the Leafs should strike the fear of God into opponents like it does vs Edmonton.

Excuse me now while I go wash myself off with some heavy duty soap for saying good things about the Oilers
One thing you have to take into consideration is the disparity in power plays
I think it was the second or third game against florida we didnt have one power play. Think about that for a second. Florida one of the dirtiest teams in the playoffs didnt commit one infraction. In that game they had 2 power plays against us.

If you look at mcdavid sideways you get a penalty.

I look at the other teams game summary and both teams finish with 5 powerplays in one game. We dont get 5 power plays in a series.

Different game when playing against us
 
One thing you have to take into consideration is the disparity in power plays
I think it was the second or third game against florida we didnt have one power play. Think about that for a second. Florida one of the dirtiest teams in the playoffs didnt commit one infraction. In that game they had 2 power plays against us.

If you look at mcdavid sideways you get a penalty.

I look at the other teams game summary and both teams finish with 5 powerplays in one game. We dont get 5 power plays in a series.

Different game when playing against us
Oh boy not the whining about the refs again
 
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Well it is relevant. Because the justification for the Leafs signing Tavares for 11 million was based on the notion that they had to engage in a bidding war against tons of suitors. And, yes, I agree with you that many teams would have loved to signed Tavares. Some would have offered 11 like the Leafs, some would have offered less, some would have offered more. My point being: even if 25 teams all wanted to sign Tavares, the Leafs paying him 11 x 7 was a big mistake then and it still is now. I also think it's silly when fans justify bad moves with the blanket, "other teams would have done it" excuse (not saying you are).
I don't think the Leafs deciding to sign Tavares had anything to do with how many other teams were interested.

I'm not even commenting on whether it was a smart use of money and cap space or not. I was just saying that far more than 7 teams would have loved to sign him. Seems to me like you had a valid point and just fitted it into a response to my original post even though it wasn't really relevant.
 
I know I’m wasting my time here, but where exactly is the bolded mentioned, or is this just a pitiful segue to your own narrative?

Carry on…

Considering Clark has precisely one season with more than 60 points you’d have a hell of a time arguing he’s better than Matthews at anything but hitting or fighting. If you score more goals than the other guy has points in all but one season, AINEC becomes appropriate.

“But but but the regular season doesn’t matter, Clark was a playoff beast!” you may say until you notice he scores goals and points at a worse rate than playoff ghost Matthews. The man had two good playoff runs worth talking about in his entire career.

Gilmour, Keon, Sittler, Sundin, being better all time sure, but let’s try to at least pretend to be realistic here.
So, like I said, what you had bolded, no one said, and you just used it as a flimsy excuse to push your own narrative.

I salute your consistency at least.....
 
People keep missing the point. Throw "fair deal" out the window when it comes to a hard cap. The days of being fair, or cut-and-dry, were thrown out the window the day the NHL instituted a hard cap.

How is it fair that Connor McDavid doesn't have a fluid lock on being the highest paid player in the NHL (by a lot) each year? How iit fair that Matt Tkachuk signed for 9.5 million x 8 years, scoring back-to-back 40+ goal, 104 and 109 point seasons in addition to 34 points in 32 playoff games while Mitch Marner is being paid 10.9 million on a shorter deal that he signed years ago?

There is no such thing as total fairness or worth in the NHL these days -- a lot goes into determining that, such as market, team cache and desirability, opportunity to win, a GM/team's desperation to sell tickets, a player prioritizing winning over dollars, etc.

Saying "13.5 million is fair for Auston Matthews" doesn't make sense to me. What is that fairness based on exactly? If it's comparable contracts, Matthews shouldn't make anything more than MacKinnon's 12.6 x 8. That would be fair based on comparing deals. Why does Matthews deserve a million more than MacKinnon, especially on lesser term? He doesn't. So paying him that could be considered unfair to the Leafs.

Are we basing fairness on the same (flawed) John Tavares UFA argument, which is: "Other teams would gladly pay Matthews 13.5 so it's only fair the Leafs do"? That line of thinking is broken on many levels. Sure, there are some teams who would pay Matthews even more than 13.5 a year because they can't draw a crowd, are struggling for popularity in their market, or flat out stink. But that doesn't mean the Leafs should be held hostage by this premise considering they are a great market, with great players, great fans, are considered hockey royalty, and should be able to offer Matthews annual chances to compete for a Cup if he does his part.

The only fair thing that both Matthews and the Leafs can do in a hard cap NHL is cordially agree to a win-win deal that:

1. Pays Matthews extremely well and on par with, or above, 99% of other great superstars.

2. Is long-term in nature so both the club and the player equally commit to the end goal of winning Cups.

3. Takes into consideration the Leafs other stars that need a cut so Matthews isn't on an island shouldering all the burden. Any deal signed must still leave enough left over for the betterment of both Matthews' and the team's success.

That ^ is the only criteria that should define "fair" in this particular case. Anything else (including 13.5 x 4) is completely one-sided in Matthews' favor. He's getting everything without concession and the Leafs are being bent over. This is not fair unless you're only interested in cheerleading for Matthews.

This is why I still firmly believe that the only win-win outcome should be matching MacKinnon's 12.6 x 8.

Matthews joins MacKinnon as the highest paid in history and will end up making about 200 million in salary if he remains healthy after this deal. The Leafs can then likely manage to squeeze in both Nylander + Marner and have more money down the line (as the cap increases) to surround Matthews & co. with even more support to help them win Cups.

It's not difficult. Unless the player doesn't care about winning Cups and only wants every dollar. In that case, it's fair for the Leafs to trade him because that type of player is beyond selfish and will never prioritize team success
Fantastic post and very well articulated. Unfortunately there’s some folks who will never grasp your point or even care to entertain your viewpoint for a multitude of reasons- ego, bias, common sense etc.
 
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