News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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Holy f***ing hell you guys have some crazy low standards.

Looking back at Matthews' last 4 playoff runs - he has not lived up to that salary at all.

But I get it that you guys think playoffs don't count so keep doing what you do.


Yeah now is the part where we play the imaginary numbers game and bring up wildly unreliable stats like "Primary points per 60" and all that garbage. Goals are gonna count more than assists until it comes time to overpay Marner and the vicious cycle continues. Meanwhile in the land of actual points and goals winning actual games, Matthews has come close to McDavid like once in his entire career.

Sorry not interested.

No, my standards are quite reasonable actually, bordering on high. Matthews’ playoff numbers are not as good as we’d like them to be no (not all of those runs have been healthy to clear) but nobody think he doesn’t have more he can give there. The problem that you brushed off, but is very valid, is that typically speaking players individual regular season accomplishments will drive their salary the most. Meaning, guys who are great regular season performers but dip a bit in the playoffs typically still make high money due to their regular season accolades. Not saying it’s the way it should be, but it’s generally true.

Also, in what way is points/60 unreliable. It’s not extrapolated production. I’m not sitting here saying he scored this, therefore over this bigger sample. I’m merely stating production at a rate that actually occured. Obviously if the sample were small that’s not meaningful, but the sample in question is quite large when talking all games played over the course of respective ELCs.
 
I don't think there's any justifying it no matter how he performs. Just like his last contract, he's almost certainly going to live up to it and then some. But if he's going to continue to set the example of not making any allowances to help the team out, it's just going to create more headaches. He could easily do what pretty much every other star player has done rather than try to extract every possible dollar. Even if you're only talking about a million or two either way, it could go such a long way in establishing a more team-first culture

Only going by reports. But what annoys me about the scenarios presented is

A) we are fully prepared to give him a next generation contract.
B) he wants it short enough so if the cap goes up even more he can cash in even more.

That’s two layers of future proofing.
 
Not only was the contract, by the numbers, explainable and fair. Matthews also then lived up to it.

Dubas made a ton of mistakes, Matthews’ contract was not among them.

When comparing the 5 year deal he signed to the 8 years McDavid signed to, he was the most expensive contract in the NHL.

An 8 year deal would have priced himself well-above McDavid, which is a non-starter considering McDavid is the clear-cut best player in the league and always has been relative to Matthews. You think that's "fair" though :laugh:

And then looking at it further, you'll also notice that with Matthews' early UFA status he negotiated, he's actually going to make more than McDavid over the primes of their respective careers, which is disgusting. Still "fair" for you I'm sure! :laugh:

If you consider that "fair" then you obviously care more about individual players' bank account than the Leafs having success as a franchise.
 
Meaning, guys who are great regular season performers but dip a bit in the playoffs typically still make high money due to their regular season accolades.
I mean, he also has a similar PPG in the playoffs to the incredible playoff stud Nathan MacKinnon the last two years... so there's that.

Your last few posts here have been reasonable, well thought out, and full of truth. It's refershing!
 
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Are you saying Marner should earn less than Aho?

Not less, but I think Marner should be making the 10+ on the deal he’s about to sign in two seasons. More so it’s just our guys created their own market and we are seeing other teams not even come close to their threshold. I think Aho made 8 on his last deal. I think Marner should have made 9.5 on his last deal, 11 on the deal coming up! Basically wish we scaled it better.
 
Based on your post history, nobody would take what you said as a joke and that’s exactly what happened.

I've always said no stars take discounts, it is the uninformed who say they do.

Tavares actually took a discount, but no one cares.

What people mean to say is "X outperformed their contract"

It's kind of comical watching everyone in here try to compare Aho's deal to Marner and Matthews when his closest comparable is Nylander.

Very few probably watch Aho here

When comparing the 5 year deal he signed to the 8 years McDavid signed to, he was the most expensive contract in the NHL.

An 8 year deal would have priced himself well-above McDavid, which is a non-starter considering McDavid is the clear-cut best player in the league and always has been relative to Matthews. You think that's "fair" though :laugh:

And then looking at it further, you'll also notice that with Matthews' early UFA status he negotiated, he's actually going to make more than McDavid over the primes of their respective careers, which is disgusting. Still "fair" for you I'm sure! :laugh:

If you consider that "fair" then you obviously care more about individual players' bank account than the Leafs having success as a franchise.

Is McDavid comparable to him now?

There are a lot of comparables, not sure McDavid is the closest.
 
Not less, but I think Marner should be making the 10+ on the deal he’s about to sign in two seasons. More so it’s just our guys created their own market and we are seeing other teams not even come close to their threshold. I think Aho made 8 on his last deal. I think Marner should have made 9.5 on his last deal, 11 on the deal coming up! Basically wish we scaled it better.
Amen to that.
 
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Amen to that.

Yeah we gave them money based on their projected value, nothing wrong with that. But in a flat cap you can’t really afford to do that.

Only good thing about this signing is Nylander ain’t getting $10mill. Nylander somewhere around 8.8-9.5. Hopefully that deal gets done. I think at this point we are better off keeping all three and waiting for that JT contract to expire. Allocate that 11 mill to defense/goaltending. Keep acquiring picks and hope you hit some home runs.
 
Yeah we gave them money based on their projected value, nothing wrong with that. But in a flat cap you can’t really afford to do that.

Only good thing about this signing is Nylander ain’t getting $10mill. Nylander somewhere around 8.8-9.5. Hopefully that deal gets done. I think at this point we are better off keeping all three and waiting for that JT contract to expire. Allocate that 11 mill to defense/goaltending. Keep acquiring picks and hope you hit some home runs.
Next years depth is going to be absolutely brutal, could add like 5 million in cap due to Matthews/Nylander's raises alone. Don't think the cap rise will come close to covering that then you gotta resign half the top 6 defenders and find basically all new depth forwards
 
Yeah we gave them money based on their projected value, nothing wrong with that. But in a flat cap you can’t really afford to do that.

Only good thing about this signing is Nylander ain’t getting $10mill. Nylander somewhere around 8.8-9.5. Hopefully that deal gets done. I think at this point we are better off keeping all three and waiting for that JT contract to expire. Allocate that 11 mill to defense/goaltending. Keep acquiring picks and hope you hit some home runs.
You can give them money based on projected value but you can’t do it for 4 players on the same team………
 
The one part that doesn’t get talked as much is all the endorsement deals our players get for playing in Toronto. How much extra are these guys making on those deals on top of their current salary?
 
The one part that doesn’t get talked as much is all the endorsement deals our players get for playing in Toronto. How much extra are these guys making on those deals on top of their current salary?
Not as much as you'd think given how many companies they work with (Matthews and Marner), but still a good chunk of change. Matthews is among the league's highest paid in endorsements IIRC.
 
I find most of these statements really bs. They can say from sources about a contract but NOT ONE of these insiders can tell you if AM has a leg problem, a back problem which affected his skating or a wrist problem which hurt his shot. NOT ONE can tell you what he is doing in the off season to overcome his physical problems of last season.
Pay him 13.5 per for his 2022/23 season would be dumb.
I have it on good authority that our Auston has a raging ego problem!
 
Not as much as you'd think given how many companies they work with (Matthews and Marner), but still a good chunk of change. Matthews is among the league's highest paid in endorsements IIRC.

Marner is actually the highest in terms of endorsements
 
You did. You can insert MacKinnon, Matthews, Pasternak if that makes you feel better, the point remains. Three Hyman's aren't as valuable as any of those guys.
1. Mcdavid (153)
2. Draisaitl (128)
3. Kucherov/Pastrnak (113)
5. MacKinnon (111)
6. Tkachuk/Robertson (109)
8. Rantanen (105)
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22. Matthews (85)

One of these things is not like the others, and this one thing wants to be paid more than all of the others.

I wouldn't take 3 Hymans over most of that list, but I would over Matthews who's decidedly in the next tier down with guys like Stutzle and Thompson... who also took longer term and a smaller AAV than Matthews did.

2 Hyman's and a Kempe (who scored goals at a similar pace to the prolific goal scorer Matthews) would be nice too.
 
The one part that doesn’t get talked as much is all the endorsement deals our players get for playing in Toronto. How much extra are these guys making on those deals on top of their current salary?
For sure it makes a difference but nothing prevents players from taking 2nd jobs in any city.
 
Next years depth is going to be absolutely brutal, could add like 5 million in cap due to Matthews/Nylander's raises alone. Don't think the cap rise will come close to covering that then you gotta resign half the top 6 defenders and find basically all new depth forwards

They are going to have some tough decisions next year. I think you’re banking on some of the young guys pushing. Next year Woll might be the starter and if he is at $867,777 or whatever cheap cap hit it is, that’s great value. Robertson, Knies, Hirovinen, Niemela, Minten, McMann may all be on the team. Next year is going to be a repeat of 2016/2017 IMO.
 
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It's kind of comical watching everyone in here try to compare Aho's deal to Marner and Matthews when his closest comparable is Nylander.
Have to say I agree with you there. As much as I don't like Matthews, Aho is even more overrated. He's a complimentary piece like Nylander, and now this gives Nylander grounds to ask for $9.5.
 
I always believed that one of Dubas' biggest mistakes that barely gets talked about was when Marner asked for 9x8 the summer before he became an RFA but the Leafs didn't bite. Instead Dubas pulls a "if you have time use it" and Marner has his first 90 point season stapled to JT's wing the first year JT was in Toronto which sends his asking price through the roof.
There was some talk when JT first signed that his contract would be the benchmark and no one on the team would be paid more. Such is life though when an ego can't be corralled.
 
Let’s talk numbers on the ice. At $13.5 million per season what is the regular season floor in terms of production that is expected?
Within a couple goals of the rocket, top 3-5 in the points race, and most importantly PPG+ in the playoffs. Bare minimum if he wants that kind of cash
 
There was some talk when JT first signed that his contract would be the benchmark and no one on the team would be paid more. Such is life though when an ego can't be corralled.
Thankfully the ego is gone and we now have a competent leader.
 
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