News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[francis246]

Highest-Paid NHL Players 2022: Young Stars Are Making The Most Of Hockey’s Hard Reality

The ten top earners are set to make $118 million combined this season, reflecting a wave of big new contracts but also the stagnation of pay in the sport.

www.forbes.com

Marner isn't on this list.

I saw an updated list. It might have been most amount of endorsements. Marner has the most on the leafs. It’s as on Twitter I’ll try and find it

 

[notbias]

1. Mcdavid (153)
2. Draisaitl (128)
3. Kucherov/Pastrnak (113)
5. MacKinnon (111)
6. Tkachuk/Robertson (109)
8. Rantanen (105)
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22. Matthews (85)

One of these things is not like the others, and this one thing wants to be paid more than all of the others.

I wouldn't take 3 Hymans over most of that list, but I would over Matthews who's decidedly in the next tier down with guys like Stutzle and Thompson... who also took longer term and a smaller AAV than Matthews did.

2 Hyman's and a Kempe (who scored goals at a similar pace to the prolific goal scorer Matthews) would be nice too.

Interesting, I just learned you think Bunting is way better than Bertuzzi, and Bunting is on the same level as Nichuskin, Laine, Bazal, and Tarasenko.

125. Laine (52)
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130. Barzal (51)
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133. Seguin (50)
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138. Bunting (49)
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286. Bertuzzi (30)

Bertuzzi is on the same level of Engvall.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

They are going to have some tough decisions next year. I think you’re banking on some of the young guys pushing. Next year Woll might be the starter and if he is at $867,777 or whatever cheap cap hit it is, that’s great value. Robertson, Knies, Hirovinen, Niemela, Minten, McMann may all be on the team. Next year is going to be a repeat of 2016/2017 IMO.

If Woll is the starter next year you gotta have a 1B veteran goalie. Too risky otherwise so that likely won't save us much compared to this year. If Murray is bought out that's 2 more million in dead cap space next year.

Ya they will need to have the next batch of Marlies pushing hard or they are in serious shit.

 

[JKG33]

Interesting, I just learned you think Bunting is way better than Bertuzzi, and Bunting is on the same level as Nichuskin, Laine, Bazal, and Tarasenko.

125. Laine (52)
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130. Barzal (51)
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133. Seguin (50)
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138. Bunting (49)
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286. Bertuzzi (30)

Bertuzzi is on the same level of Engvall.

And if you look at contracts, there's the reason Bertuzzi only got a 1 year deal.

Why I'm even bothering to engage with you I don't know, we'll all come out stupider for it but ah well

 

[notbias]

And if you look at contracts, there's the reason Bertuzzi only got a 1 year deal.

Why I'm even bothering to engage with you I don't know, we'll all come out stupider for it but ah well

Using raw point totals is dumb, but 5.5 million is insane for a 30 point player... it is almost like we are leaving out a lot in our analysis...

 

[JKG33]

Using raw point totals is dumb, but 5.5 million is insane for a 30 point player... it is almost like we are leaving out a lot in our analysis...

Ok, then circling back to the post you originally quoted of mine, what am I missing? The small handful of games Matthews missed due to an injury that could be a continual problem?

Of those players I listed who outscored Matthews, the only one I might not take over him is Robertson. But I sure as shit would take Robertson when you factor in cap hits

 

[notbias]

Ok, then circling back to the post you originally quoted of mine, what am I missing? The small handful of games Matthews missed due to an injury that could be a continual problem?

Of those players I listed who outscored Matthews, the only one I might not take over him is Robertson. But I sure as shit would take Robertson when you factor in cap hits

I'd only take Mac (maybe) and McDavid if Matthews is fully healthy.

He was injured all last year and was still a very dominant player.

When Matthews is on he is the 2nd best player is the world.

Looking at point totals and nothing else is insane.

 

[JKG33]

I'd only take Mac (maybe) and McDavid if Matthews is fully healthy.

He was injured all last year and was still a very dominant player.

When Matthews is on he is the 2nd best player is the world.

Looking at point totals and nothing else is insane.

He's also wildly inconsistent and can disappear even when not injured. A clear indicator of his obviously broken give-a-shit meter.

 

[notbias]

He's also wildly inconsistent and can disappear even when not injured. A clear indicator of his obviously broken give-a-shit meter.

Isn't he by far the most consistent goal scorer in the league?

Imagine if he cared, McDavid who?

Goal per game every year.

 

[andora]

I get frustrated with the phrase 'when he is on'..

f*** off.. for the top guys they should be 'on'

 

[notbias]

I get frustrated with the phrase 'when he is on'..

f*** off.. for the top guys they should be 'on'

It is made up by people who think that every game is the same if you try and you can dominate everyone the same because you saw it happen before, it isn't an actual thing for anyone who has ever played a sport.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Highly debatable if he was even a top 5 player in the league last year but highest aav in the league...oh boy...

 

[andora]

It is made up by people who think that every game is the same if you try and you can dominate everyone the same because you saw it happen before, it isn't an actual thing for anyone who has ever played a sport.

Eh.. what you are saying isnt that simple

Our players visually can get a couple and go.. that should be enough .. i have watched this group from the inception.. and our top guys are up there for most bi polar play

Dominate 10 minutes fall flat for 10 minute go through the motions for 40

Mix and match those numbers

 

[Stephen]

Eh.. what you are saying isnt that simple

Our players visually can get a couple and go.. that should be enough .. i have watched this group from the inception.. and our top guys are up there for most bi polar play

Dominate 10 minutes fall flat for 10 minute go through the motions for 40

Mix and match those numbers

The issue has always been the variance between their A Game and B Game. This is a team that slacks off and embarrassed themselves and then they have redemption games to “prove who they really are”. There’s no reason that losing to Bottom 3-5 teams should be an annual tradition but here we are.

 

[Sypher04]

Highly debatable if he was even a top 5 player in the league last year but highest aav in the league...oh boy...

Did anyone insinuate he had a top 5 calibre year last year? because I haven’t seen that… I think most everyone acknowledges it was a down year - hampered in part by injuries, but we don’t know to what extent

 

[WTFMAN99]

Did anyone insinuate he had a top 5 calibre year last year? because I haven’t seen that… I think most everyone acknowledges it was a down year - hampered in part by injuries, but we don’t know to what extent

It's just more connecting the 2...usually if I am paying the highest aav in the league, I want a top tier player...consistently.

Keeping in mind that MacKinnon's contract will be in year 2 while Matthews is going to be going into year 1 of the new contract.

MacKinnon at 12.6M versus Maatthews at what? 13-14M? I don't think Matthews is better than MacKinnon...certainly not in the playoffs either. Salary cap might go up...might not go up as fast as anyone predicts.

 

[notbias]

Eh.. what you are saying isnt that simple

Our players visually can get a couple and go.. that should be enough .. i have watched this group from the inception.. and our top guys are up there for most bi polar play

Dominate 10 minutes fall flat for 10 minute go through the motions for 40

Mix and match those numbers

It is almost like hockey is a game of momentum.

It is just amazing to think of how many Cups we could have if they gave a more consistent effort.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It is almost like hockey is a game of momentum.

It is just amazing to think of how many Cups we could have if they gave a more consistent effort.

Momentum is definitely something.

I think the biggest criticism I have with the group is they play to their opponent, facing Boston or Tampa? They generally bring their game.

Facing Arizona? They basically do cardio for 50 minutes.

 

[andora]

It is almost like hockey is a game of momentum.

It is just amazing to think of how many Cups we could have if they gave a more consistent effort.

It is almost like that isnt really what i am talking about.

Your second statement is probably closer to true than your first

 

[Dekes For Days]

Momentum is definitely something.
I think the biggest criticism I have with the group is they play to their opponent, facing Boston or Tampa? They generally bring their game.
Facing Arizona? They basically do cardio for 50 minutes.

Every team gets up for some games against big divisional playoff opponents and slogs through others against bottom feeders. We only notice it more for the leafs because we follow them more closely, and you don't usually watch other teams play against bottom feeders. And then the narrative was fueled by a bad losing stretch against bottom feeders that was primarily driven by bad goaltending from our backups and third stringers.

 

[PromisedLand]

Let’s talk numbers on the ice. At $13.5 million per season what is the regular season floor in terms of production that is expected?

I would argue that if getting your butts kicked in 1st/2nd round is the end goal anyway; then why should the Leafs employ matthews/marner at the ridiculous AAV/term to begin with?

Marner flat out refuses to take responsibility; both of them throw a hissy fit if not played together and then still continue to not perform. Other 5 man unit at a much lower AAV keeps them in check and then Leafs can't afford to have quality depth because there is no cap left.

If Matthews and Marner cannot pull the team on their own then whats the point of giving them lion's share of the cap b/c come playoffs they check out

AND

not to forget the "absolute no shows" against bottom feeders in regular season.

What kind of self respecting athlete does that? or for that matter what kind of self respecting franchise allows this to happen again and again and again?

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't think there's any justifying it no matter how he performs. Just like his last contract, he's almost certainly going to live up to it and then some. But if he's going to continue to set the example of not making any allowances to help the team out, it's just going to create more headaches. He could easily do what pretty much every other star player has done rather than try to extract every possible dollar. Even if you're only talking about a million or two either way, it could go such a long way in establishing a more team-first culture

both matthews and marner earn about 3 to 4 million on average per year extra just because they are Leafs.

At the lower bound for 8 year that is about 21-32 million extra income; and if you attach increase in pay rate for off-ice income it could easily net them something close to 50 million more ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE LEAFS!

Only McDavid and Ovi come close to that. The next highest was like 900K in off-ice income per year on average.

It is baffling that no one is even talking about it; and not to forget about the fully front loaded 90% of the contract paid in signing bonuses.

Enough is enough already!

 

[PromisedLand]

Highest-Paid NHL Players 2022: Young Stars Are Making The Most Of Hockey’s Hard Reality

The ten top earners are set to make $118 million combined this season, reflecting a wave of big new contracts but also the stagnation of pay in the sport.

www.forbes.com

Marner isn't on this list.

5. Mitchell Marner - 2021-10-25 - The NHL's Highest-Paid Players 2021-22

Total Earnings: $11.6 millionOn-Ice Earnings: $8.6 millionOff-Ice Earnings: $3 million

www.forbes.com

The reason marner was not on that list for 2022-2023 was because of the way his contract is structured. He sill made ridiculous amount off-ice compared to other players (only exception: McJesus, Ovi, Matthews)

Also jsut FYI



Note: except for McJesus, Matthews, Marner and Ovi other players' endorsements aren't that lucrative

 

[WTFMAN99]

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5. Mitchell Marner - 2021-10-25 - The NHL's Highest-Paid Players 2021-22

Total Earnings: $11.6 millionOn-Ice Earnings: $8.6 millionOff-Ice Earnings: $3 million

www.forbes.com

The reason marner was not on that list for 2022-2023 was because of the way his contract is structured. He sill made ridiculous amount off-ice compared to other players (only exception: McJesus, Ovi, Matthews)

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Also jsut FYI



Note: except for McJesus, Matthews, Marner and Ovi other players' endorsements aren't that lucrative

I thought Crosby and MacKinnon did okay on Tims? I think Crosby still has the hockey equipment endorsement and gatorade no??

 

[tuckerintensity]

1. Mcdavid (153)
2. Draisaitl (128)
3. Kucherov/Pastrnak (113)
5. MacKinnon (111)
6. Tkachuk/Robertson (109)
8. Rantanen (105)
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22. Matthews (85)

Matthews - 299
Ovechkin - 297
McDavid - 287
Draisaitl - 285
Pastarnak - 276
MacKinnon - 225

Matthews has played the least games. We can do ES goals too, if you prefer.

2 Hyman's and a Kempe (who scored goals at a similar pace to the prolific goal scorer Matthews) would be nice too.

Kempe - 131 (9 less games, if you're wondering)

Don't be silly.

Have to say I agree with you there. As much as I don't like Matthews, Aho is even more overrated. He's a complimentary piece like Nylander, and now this gives Nylander grounds to ask for $9.5.

He already did, this contract actually helps the Leafs.