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I wouldn‘t give Matthews anymore than 3 years max. That gives us 2 years after the Tavares “team crushing” contract to be off the books to win a cup. If they can’t do it by then send him packing and try again
 
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Racer88 said:
I wouldn‘t give Matthews anymore than 3 years max. That gives us 2 years after the Tavares “team crushing” contract to be off the books to win a cup. If they can’t do it by then send him packing and try again
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Even if this is the approach you want to take, a 3-year deal is still foolish. Are you just letting him walk for nothing after year 3? Or would you rather trade him for a nice haul because he still has 3 years of term left for another team to trade for? A short-term deal only benefits Matthews -- there's zero benefit for the Leafs.
 
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Divine said:
I understand, it's a net benefit to the Leafs to go shorter term.

My point is - it's not the Leafs that want short term, it's Matthews. So obviously, Matthews feels he can make more money signing short term and then signing longer later - or maybe he wants to play for someone else, who knows.

The point I'm making is, because Matthews is asking for shorter term - the Leafs should use it to negotiate a lower cap hit. How many superstars get short term deals in this league? Only Matthews?
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Shorter term ufa deals tend to lead to higher aavs though. Teams tend to use term as a means of lowering caphit not vice versa.
 
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Squiffy said:
I gotta tell you, every time I read in this thread the idea that we should be game planning for McDavid, I die a little.

In my time here, I have heard this plan for Crosby, OV, Richards, Stamkos, Taveres, Doughty and a dozen others I can't think of right now but surely exist. It's not a plan, it's a pipe dream. Christ, we got Taveres and everyone hates it.

We have Matthews. Right now, he's a Leaf. Google it. If he was a Shark right now we'd be game planning our offer on him next year. 100%. We'd be proposing front-loading signing bonuses next year at 15 AAV laughing that other teams can't do it. Grass. Greener.

Pay that man his money. f*** around with everyone else on the roster.

He gets "staying with the team he's on" market value, and that's highest AAV player in the league next year, $13-something.

It's a no-brainer. You're just out-thinking yourself otherwise, put down the homer glasses that say not taking less to be a Leaf is an act of disrespect.

Don't worry, McDavid's next contract will crucify AM's, it won't be close.
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I couldn't agree less with any of this.

Squiffy said:
There is no chance McDavid isn't the highest paid player in the league the next time he signs a contract. Discuss.
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I mean he is the best player in the league sooo...
 
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Boxscore said:
Even if this is the approach you want to take, a 3-year deal is still foolish. Are you just letting him walk for nothing after year 3? Or would you rather trade him for a nice haul because he still has 3 years of term left for another team to trade for? A short-term deal only benefits Matthews -- there's zero benefit for the Leafs.
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He is going to have a full no trade no move contract no matter how short or long he signs for. The window to trade him closed for ever July 1st this year.
I for one don’t want him for 8 years with his wonky wrist
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Nobody is saying that Matthews had as good of a season as McDavid, so weird choice of player. But yeah, I'll gladly take a 64 goal, 153 point season. I'll also gladly take a season with a similar offensive or overall impact that doesn't have the exact same point total.
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Part of overall impact is being a leader, on the ice and off. AM shows no sign of either.
 
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Squiffy said:
I gotta tell you, every time I read in this thread the idea that we should be game planning for McDavid, I die a little.

In my time here, I have heard this plan for Crosby, OV, Richards, Stamkos, Taveres, Doughty and a dozen others I can't think of right now but surely exist. It's not a plan, it's a pipe dream. Christ, we got Taveres and everyone hates it.

We have Matthews. Right now, he's a Leaf. Google it. If he was a Shark right now we'd be game planning our offer on him next year. 100%. We'd be proposing front-loading signing bonuses next year at 15 AAV laughing that other teams can't do it. Grass. Greener.

Pay that man his money. f*** around with everyone else on the roster.

He gets "staying with the team he's on" market value, and that's highest AAV player in the league next year, $13-something.

It's a no-brainer. You're just out-thinking yourself otherwise, put down the homer glasses that say not taking less to be a Leaf is an act of disrespect.

Don't worry, McDavid's next contract will crucify AM's, it won't be close.
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I think you're somehow comparing Matthews to players like McDavid in terms of significance and urgency to cower and sign at any and all costs. That's the problem. Matthews is not McDavid caliber -- never has been and never will be. McDavid is an elite machine who either improves every year or smashes 100+ points consistently. He also puts up insane numbers in the playoffs.

Matthews is nothing like McDavid. He's more comparable to players like Pastrnak and MacKinnon. Both of those guys signed long-term. Pasta for 11.5 x 8 and MacK for 12.6 x 8. Paying Matthews more than MacKinnon (let alone 15 mil) is absurd. Matthews went from winning a Rocket to scoring 85 points in 74 games last year. MacKinnon had 111 in 71 games last year, lol.

Matthews is a great player. He's our best player. But he's also inconsistent in terms of elite production, comes up small in the playoffs, and is very low-intensity. All of these issues need to be corrected if we hope to win anything in the playoffs. Watching him get ragdolled by Stamkos in the playoffs was a reflection on Matthews intensity levels. Again, he's a stud, but he's not Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin, Gretzky, Lemieux, etc. And he shouldn't be treated or compensated as such.

Our fanbase and media absolutely overrate Matthews and give him "above the team" treatment.

Dekes For Days said:
Matthews is a leader on and off the ice.
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He comes up small in the playoffs, is a diva when it comes to signing a contract, refuses to take less money for the betterment of the team, and let Stamkos throw him around without even dropping his gloves and standing up for himself. I'm still waiting to see quality leadership from him.
 
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Matthews vs McDavid reminds me of Toews vs Crosby on the main boards years ago. Just by virtue of watching the game and having a simple understanding of it you know that both sets of players just aren't comparable at all.

Except the reason Toews got into those comparisons is because he played his best hockey of his career in the playoffs, opposite to Matthews.
 
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He comes up small in the playoffs, is a diva when it comes to signing a contract, refuses to take less money for the betterment of the team, and let Stamkos throw him around without even dropping his gloves and standing up for himself.
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Literally none of that is true. Everybody that would know what kind of leader Matthews is speaks highly of him in that regard.
 
Racer88 said:
I for one don’t want him for 8 years with his wonky wrist
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Then you either don't really have faith in him, or you're trying to justify that you know that he won't agree long-term to the Leafs.

Crosby had concussions and missed time. His injuries were far worse than Matthews. How many fans do you think said, "I don't want Sid with his wonky head"? If you're a supposed mega elite player, you persevere, overcome injury, compete, and win. Matthews is 25 years old and just entering his prime. Could you imagine saying you don't want a 25 year old Gretzky, Lemieux, Ovechkin, Jagr, Crosby, MacKinnon, Malkin, Bure, Kane, Draisaitl, Fedorov, Sundin, Forsberg, Stamkos, etc. long-term? Lmao.

We keep making all kinds of riddles, puzzles, and odd takes when it comes to Matthews when the issue truly is so simple...

He is a great player but he's soft, greedy, and not as great as the homers suggest. Matthews has a price. He will not be doing the Leafs any favors. Now it's time to decide if we can overpay him in a cap world and hope to fare better than we have the last 7 years (one playoff round win) due to his obsession with taking every possible penny on a short-term deal that only benefits him.

If you truly don't trust Matthews, his wrist, or his ability to win, then trade him today for an absolute haul when he's still 25 so another team can grossly overpay him for 8 years. But playing this tip-toe, walking on egg shells game with this kid every 4 years is nauseating and silly.

Dekes For Days said:
Everybody that would know what kind of leader Matthews is speaks highly of him in that regard.
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Who? Who are all these "people in the know" that have heralded Matthews leadership? Matthews is known for one thing -- scoring goals. His uncanny leadership must be the best kept secret in hockey history.
 
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LeafSteel said:
Luckily we have a guy who wants the highest AAV possible, on the shortest term, with a full NTC included.

What a prince we have here, a real gem for sure…..
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Nothing wrong with that IMO. He'll be the highest paid until the next big gun becomes eligible.
 
Dekes For Days said:
McDavid took a very rare and sizeable discount on his post-ELC contract, and he still took a post-discount cap hit percentage on his post-ELC contract that surpassed Matthews' post-ELC contract and likely even his UFA contract. There's no reason to think that McDavid's UFA contract won't be bigger than Matthews'.

Matthews signed while pacing for 50 goals, 100 points in his signing season, with an entire pre-signing period that ranked him among the best in the entire cap era, and an equivalent primary points per game to McDavid's pre-signing period, despite comparative disadvantages.

The only reason Crosby hasn't made more than Ovechkin throughout his career is because Crosby had a weird fascination with the number 87, and he signed a now illegal contract.

He didn't. Among exclusively post-ELC contracts with 5 year terms, he got the 4th biggest.
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What are you, Matthews agents? Who the hell cares about Matthews primary points as an older player. Sounds like something to justify the gap. McDavid signed after his second season, Matthews signed in his third season. What’s next - Matthews scored more unassisted goals so he should be worth more? Why don’t we care about his actual output vs eliminating things to get him to seem similar to a younger McDavid with less development?

Secondly, Ovechkin also signed a contract that is now illegal, the same as Crosby. The contract had nothing to do with it.

Matthews got the biggest 5-year RFA contract in actual AAV, with full signing bonuses.
 
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Marner is getting married at the end of the month, my guess is they wait to announce Matthews new deal. Matthews and Nylander will be at his wedding (I assume it’s somewhere in Canada) makes sense Matthews does a press conference some time after the wedding .
 
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