News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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I don't know, your stats are oddly specific.

"Player who is among the lead leaders on 5 on 5 points, specifically on their second contract" therefore he deserves 13M.
Game is played most at 5on5 and it is the hardest to score in this state

I dont know why filtering it between ELC / 2nd contracts / 3rd contracts is odd it is literally the finanical reset to how you are paying your players

I mean throw a different comparison in there then.. cap hit % per goal / point.. who is the most cost efficient?

Who scores the most in one goal games?


What do you see setting the general marketplace for AAV?
 
Game is played most at 5on5 and it is the hardest to score in this state

I dont know why filtering it between ELC / 2nd contracts / 3rd contracts is odd it is literally the finanical reset to how you are paying your players

I mean throw a different comparison in there then.. cap hit % per goal / point.. who is the most cost efficient?

Who scores the most in one goal games?


What do you see setting the general marketplace for AAV?

I find the 5 on 5 talk re: Matthews has always been used to draw closer to the McDavid's and Draisaitl's of the world who have destroyed him in raw production, padded by gaudy PP stats.
 
Matthews isnt a better player than Mackinnon

No one calls Mackinnon's 12.6M x 8 a steal. They say he got the max what he deserved wothout going over to squeez and f*** over the Avs

Matthews wanting 13-14M on 3-5 year term is absolutely gross and so far from what he should be getting that it seriously kills any chance of us contending on the deal.
 
Matthews isnt a better player than Mackinnon

No one calls Mackinnon's 12.6M x 8 a steal. They say he got the max what he deserved wothout going over to squeez and f*** over the Avs

Matthews wanting 13-14M on 3-5 year term is absolutely gross and so far from what he should be getting that it seriously kills any chance of us contending on the deal.
Personally I agree with all of this
 
I find the 5 on 5 talk re: Matthews has always been used to draw closer to the McDavid's and Draisaitl's of the world who have destroyed him in raw production, padded by gaudy PP stats.
While game states other than just 5v5 should be considered, it's actually raw production that tends to be used to prop up external players that don't actually bring more offensive impact, let alone overall impact, but pick up some free points from extra PP time or empty net points relative to our players.
 
How it’s perceived was not the argument. People acting like him not being signed immediately once eligible is some kind of indicator of what will happen don’t have history on their side.
How people are perceiving the fact he has not signed yet is exactly the argument. You perceive it as no big deal, others perceive it differently.
 
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While game states other than just 5v5 should be considered, it's actually raw production that tends to be used to prop up external players that don't actually bring more offensive impact, let alone overall impact, but pick up some free points from extra PP time or empty net points relative to our players.

If Matthews can give me 64 goals and 153 raw points one of these seasons, it won't matter whether he scores them 5 on 5, PP or PK.
 
Game is played most at 5on5 and it is the hardest to score in this state

I dont know why filtering it between ELC / 2nd contracts / 3rd contracts is odd it is literally the finanical reset to how you are paying your players

I mean throw a different comparison in there then.. cap hit % per goal / point.. who is the most cost efficient?

Who scores the most in one goal games?


What do you see setting the general marketplace for AAV?

I think it's harder to score shorthanded, but that might just be me.
 
13.5 X 3-5. Exactly what everyone thought a few years ago. Either he’s gone or he’ll get yet another outlier deal. Thanks AM for being the only star to not give 8 years when f***ing over your team.

FWIW I prefer 5 years as I’d let someone else overpay on the 30+ years, but gtfo with this 13 mill + BS.
 
13.5 X 3-5. Exactly what everyone thought a few years ago. Either he’s gone or he’ll get yet another outlier deal. Thanks AM for being the only star to not give 8 years when f***ing over your team.

FWIW I prefer 5 years as I’d let someone else overpay on the 30+ years, but gtfo with this 13 mill + BS.
He very well could end all hope of the Leafs winning with this contract.
 
The problem is, with Matthews contract, he's taking up enough cap that we have to compromise at least one other spot on our roster.

If you're getting paid a huge amount of money to the point that the team has to make compromises around the roster to fit under the cap, you should be trusted at all times.

If the argument is Matthews is strong defensively, and he's making 11M+, he should be on the PK. Preventing goals is just as important as scoring goals. If Matthews prevents a goal, that is equally as valuable as him scoring a goal. In the playoffs specifically, scoring is tougher - so part of 'buying in' is preventing goals. When we played Tampa, Stamkos, another 60G, 100P+ centre was on the ice blocking shots and preventing goals. Maybe that contributed to the buy-in and 2 Cups?

Secondly, because Matthews doesn't PK - it gives Marner a stronger argument for his contract. You have Matthews the diva, who will only play when he has the highest chances of scoring (ES or PP) but will ride the bench when the game may be on the line (PK) and Marner is out there in all situations. That closes the gap between them, so of course he's going to ask the same.

Matthews needs to set the example and show that he's willing to play in all situations if he wants to get paid as much as two solid players under the cap would. If it's the playoffs and it's Game 7 late in a tie game and we're on the PK - why do we have to have to have our 11M+ player who's 'good defensively' watching the game with us?
Being strong defensively while covering the best players on opposing teams 5on5 and killing penalties are two completely different skill sets. It's much easier to find players to do a good job killing penalties then it is to find players to take Matthews defensive assignments 5on5.

The Marner plays on the PK so that closes the gap argument makes no sense to me. Like I said, if I was the coach I'd rather have Matthews play his minutes 5on5 and on the PP so agree to disagree I guess.

We don't need Matthews kill penalties, we need him to play closer to the level he was at when he won the Hart than to the level he played at last season, a lot closer. Do that, be one of the best players in the league like he once was and I think most people will be happy, I know I would be.

He very well could end all hope of the Leafs winning with this contract.
Maybe overstating things a bit, but yeah.

Here comes Dekes and company with angry posts about "generational player", "one of the best Leafs of all-time" and "do you want to back to not making the playoffs" etc., enjoy.
 
Average to the right at 234,502 per primary point for these guys' third contracts paying for their 2nd contracts primary production.
amazing regarding production how high dubois got in my opinion - and then how criminally underpaid spezza was for so long. stamkos/crosby also standout on the lower end.

for fun
Matthews at Average 234,502 = 13,000,000 / year
Matthews at Mackinnon 290,630 = 16,100,000 / year
Matthews at Getzlaf 261,125 = 14,500,000 / year


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I appreciate your effort and work but that seems like a lot of work to make Matthews projected new contract seem worth it but let me know when he makes a difference in the playoffs. Then I will pay attention to your point
 
If they sign him for 13.5-14 Treliving is no better than Dubas. All that contract will do is continue the destruction of what was once a promising rebuild.
There is no fancy sets in the world that could prove he is the best or Second best in the world.
The guy wilts and fades when the going gets tough in the post season.
 
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I appreciate your effort and work but that seems like a lot of work to make Matthews projected new contract seem worth it but let me know when he makes a difference in the playoffs. Then I will pay attention to your point
I am actually not trying to make a point but rather stimulate conversation

Two things at play.. the simple contract paid top end but keep it respectable put on the sweater and play
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The marketplace driven by numbers and rates and all the noise

Me personally? My heart and head .. both say quit f***en around take your 12 million.. be the hero and go score goals

Personally, i have become so sick of how toronto has become as this core centric clique type crap and i could care less if any of them are back. They are boring and unlikeable
 
I am actually not trying to make a point but rather stimulate conversation

Two things at play.. the simple contract paid top end but keep it respectable put on the sweater and play
Vs
The marketplace driven by numbers and rates and all the noise

Me personally? My heart and head .. both say quit f***en around take your 12 million.. be the hero and go score goals

Personally, i have become so sick of how toronto has become as this core centric clique type crap and i could care less if any of them are back. They are boring and unlikeable
Okay, we are basically on the same page. I wish Tre had traded Matthews the false prophet while he still had the chance
 
Okay, we are basically on the same page. I wish Tre had traded Matthews the false prophet while he still had the chance
I would personally move on from marner

I am still 50/50 on matthews and i dont mind nylander.. but everything off ice nylander i dont like.. sometimes it is worth parting with an agent.
 
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Being strong defensively while covering the best players on opposing teams 5on5 and killing penalties are two completely different skill sets. It's much easier to find players to do a good job killing penalties then it is to find players to take Matthews defensive assignments 5on5.

The Marner plays on the PK so that closes the gap argument makes no sense to me. Like I said, if I was the coach I'd rather have Matthews play his minutes 5on5 and on the PP so agree to disagree I guess.

We don't need Matthews kill penalties, we need him to play closer to the level he was at when he won the Hart than to the level he played at last season, a lot closer. Do that, be one of the best players in the league like he once was and I think most people will be happy, I know I would be.

Why can't Matthews be productive 5 on 5 and on the PK like the players he's being compared to?

If we're arguing his stats are better because he can focus exclusively on 5v5 without draining energy on the PK, then we must accept his stats are inflated 5v5 vs players who play on the PK.

If the PK is draining, what would Marner be without being on the PK? A 120+ point guy? If so, get him off the PK. What about Crosby? A 150+ point player in his prime?
 
Why can't Matthews be productive 5 on 5 and on the PK like the players he's being compared to?

If we're arguing his stats are better because he can focus exclusively on 5v5 without draining energy on the PK, then we must accept his stats are inflated 5v5 vs players who play on the PK.

If the PK is draining, what would Marner be without being on the PK? A 120+ point guy? If so, get him off the PK. What about Crosby? A 150+ point player in his prime?

Wait do you actually think it’s easier to score in 4 mins of ES than 2PP + 2PK?
 
If they sign him for 13.5-14 Treliving is no better than Dubas. All that contract will do is continue the destruction of what was once a promising rebuild.
There is no fancy sets in the world that could prove he is the best or Second best in the world.
The guy wilts and fades when the going gets tough in the post season.
I’m not sure it’s on Treliving. Matthews holds all the power here, we can ask for him to lower his ask but whatever he says will go. Not a whole lot you can do outside of dealing him which is out of the question

Dubas had all the power during the RFA negotiations and screwed up historically. It’s a screw up so big we are paying for it now, 5 years later. I don’t consider the situations comparable
 

Turns out he (William Nylander) was the only one of the three that bought what Shanahan was selling. Matthews and Marner got every last dollar they could from Dubas and the Leafs. Can we even blame Nylander for doing the same on this second go-round?

Fans want to label the Leafs' dressing room as a bad one. I don't see it as a bad room, or even a quiet one. But what I most definitely see is a room divided by contract jealousy. That, without a doubt, exists.

And therein lies the evil of a salary cap. The fear of leaving food off your own plate, under the assumption others are doing the same, only to find out it wasn't a unified movement at all.

It's believed Nylander won't sign an extension until he sees what Matthews receives - and who could blame him for waiting, based on how Marner cashed in.

There is also talk that either the Leafs aren't that close to locking up the 25-year-old Matthews to an extension now that he's eligible and a gap remains, or that they have an agreement in place but won't announce it until they have Nylander signed. Still, it all starts with the one at the top of the food chain.


"(There's) a lot of history here and it's a big honour to go out every night and wear the Maple Leaf on my chest," Matthews said last September. "It's something I don't think I'll ever take for granted. I really appreciate it. It's felt like home for a while. It's just an awesome place to play."

If this is truly the place he wants to be his entire career, be the hero who brings the Stanley Cup home and be remembered as the greatest player in Leafs history, he needs to step up now. This can't be about the agents getting the most for their clients anymore. Not in this dire situation. And Matthews is the only guy who can reset this salary cap debacle.

Had Dubas staggered the contracts rather than have them come up in the same season, this might have been avoided. Instead, current GM Brad Treliving is left holding the bag.

Matthews' market value may be $15 million. If the club announces a contract that shows his willingness to take less to win now - maybe somewhere in the $13-million ballpark - it sets the tone and breaks the horrible cycle that began five years ago.

And maybe Nylander, like in 2018, takes less and the 27-year-old moves off his $10 million a season starting point, and Marner follows suit next July when he can sign an extension. And if they don't, then maybe the Leafs weren't destined to win with them anyway.

But if the team's current contract crunch still exists in September, well, here we go again ...
 
Being strong defensively while covering the best players on opposing teams 5on5 and killing penalties are two completely different skill sets. It's much easier to find players to do a good job killing penalties then it is to find players to take Matthews defensive assignments 5on5.

The Marner plays on the PK so that closes the gap argument makes no sense to me. Like I said, if I was the coach I'd rather have Matthews play his minutes 5on5 and on the PP so agree to disagree I guess.

We don't need Matthews kill penalties, we need him to play closer to the level he was at when he won the Hart than to the level he played at last season, a lot closer. Do that, be one of the best players in the league like he once was and I think most people will be happy, I know I would be.


Maybe overstating things a bit, but yeah.

Here comes Dekes and company with angry posts about "generational player", "one of the best Leafs of all-time" and "do you want to back to not making the playoffs" etc., enjoy.
Generational to what generation? He may not even be a HoF candidate.
 
Why can't Matthews be productive 5 on 5 and on the PK like the players he's being compared to?

If we're arguing his stats are better because he can focus exclusively on 5v5 without draining energy on the PK, then we must accept his stats are inflated 5v5 vs players who play on the PK.

If the PK is draining, what would Marner be without being on the PK? A 120+ point guy? If so, get him off the PK. What about Crosby? A 150+ point player in his prime?
AM is not quite quick enough to kill penalties. Nylander, on the other hand, could be a PK machine.
 
AM is not quite quick enough to kill penalties. Nylander, on the other hand, could be a PK machine.
I think it’s more the injury risk /allocation of minutes that stops him from being on the pk . He’s a heady player and I think he’d excel there . He’s a pretty proficient shot blocker as is imo . I think his contract should be high 12s around 5 years in length . But could potentially live w 13 ish .
 
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