News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Sypher04]

I’m not convinced that Pagnotta has ever had actual sources for anything he posts

 

[ACC1224]

out of Sundin's 13 seasons as a leaf, he lead the team in scoring 12 times (mogilny once). I think that stat sums up Sundin perfectly.

Wonder how many Marner will have by the time he retires?

 

[Stephen]

I love Mats. But he is not as talented as AM, MM and maybe even JT. Just like Mats is more talented than Clark and Dougie.

What Mats, Dougie and Clark had were heart and the will to fight that when the going get tough, they don't look over their shoulders to see if another person is going to stand up, they just put their heads up and step up.

Sundin was a lot more talented than Tavares. As the Dead Puck Era deepened he really simplified his game and played more straight line with power than fully showcasing his finesse abilities which were significant. Why deke and make finesse moves when you could drop the shoulder, pop out the hip and just drive? He was a lot like Draisaitl in some ways playing the simple game, but not as nearly as prolific offensively. Tavares has excessively elite hands, but his skating really puts a ceiling on what he can do shift to shift.

 

[Hellcat]

I'm reading this article on Mattys contract demands, the first paragraph reads ... Matthews is willing to leave $$$ on the table to ice a competitive team. Then it goes on to say, he's not goign to ask for $15 mil but wants to be paid the highest in the league. How.... uhh... how... how.... errr... how is that leaving money on the table to build a competitive team when the cap is stagnant? They don't teach math in Arizona?

Basically it translates to I'm not being super greedy just a little greedy, what a hero I am... end of the day goals are goals , if you are paying willie 9mil to score goals and Matty 13 mil to score the same amount of goals, who is a better deal? You can probably find two really good players for 6.5 mil each that can score you the eqlivant of what Matty can score you.

 

[ToDavid]

I'm reading this article on Mattys contract demands, the first paragraph reads ... Matthews is willing to leave $$$ on the table to ice a competitive team. Then it goes on to say, he's not goign to ask for $15 mil but wants to be paid the highest in the league. How.... uhh... how... how.... errr... how is that leaving money on the table to build a competitive team when the cap is stagnant? They don't teach math in Arizona?

Basically it translates to I'm not being super greedy just a little greedy, what a hero I am... end of the day goals are goals , if you are paying willie 9mil to score goals and Matty 13 mil to score the same amount of goals, who is a better deal? You can probably find two really good players for 6.5 mil each that can score you the eqlivant of what Matty can score you.

If anyone actually knew his contract asks, we wouldn’t be getting vague articles with every possible number under the sun.

Nothing we’ve seen so far seems to be actual concrete information. Even the term that Friedman is so adamant about, I don’t think I’ve once heard him say he’s actually been told this is what Matthews’ camp is asking for. It’s always “I think this is what he wants”.

 

[Gary Nylund]

out of Sundin's 13 seasons as a leaf, he lead the team in scoring 12 times (mogilny once). I think that stat sums up Sundin perfectly.

I think that stat says just as much (if not more) about the team around him. It's a bit depressing to think of how little talent we've had in the 50 years since the last cup win. Not counting the current core who have a ton of talent despite constant playoff failures but before that, who are say the top 10 Leaf players that we're not on the 67 team and not part of the current team? Probably goes something like this (in no particular order):

Salming
Sittler
Sundin
Gilmour
McDonald

Am I missing someone or are guys like Clark and Kessel next? And who fills out the top 10 after that? Guys like Mogilny who were only here for a short period of time when they were past their primes?

Boy that half century sucked. I thought for sure the current core could get it done, I mean look at all that talent. So far they've done dick in the playoffs yet people keep fawning over guys like Marner because he's "one of the best in the history of the franchise". As Archie Bunker would say, whoop de doo.

 

[Trapper]

I'm reading this article on Mattys contract demands, the first paragraph reads ... Matthews is willing to leave $$$ on the table to ice a competitive team. Then it goes on to say, he's not goign to ask for $15 mil but wants to be paid the highest in the league. How.... uhh... how... how.... errr... how is that leaving money on the table to build a competitive team when the cap is stagnant? They don't teach math in Arizona?

Basically it translates to I'm not being super greedy just a little greedy, what a hero I am... end of the day goals are goals , if you are paying willie 9mil to score goals and Matty 13 mil to score the same amount of goals, who is a better deal? You can probably find two really good players for 6.5 mil each that can score you the eqlivant of what Matty can score you.

Then you have conflicting reports that Treliving wants 8 years but Matthews wants 4 or 5. So in the case of 4 or 5, the team is never taking advantage of a cap increase because everyone increased with it.

Most times an organization makes their money back on the last 3 years. If Matthews had 4 years left on his contract, the cap rising to 85/86 million still leaves him at 11. Now it could be 13. Then it rises again and he gets paid again. That’s not really team.

 

[pcruz]

I think that stat says just as much (if not more) about the team around him. It's a bit depressing to think of how little talent we've had in the 50 years since the last cup win. Not counting the current core who have a ton of talent despite constant playoff failures but before that, who are say the top 10 Leaf players that we're not on the 67 team and not part of the current team? Probably goes something like this (in no particular order):

Salming
Sittler
Sundin
Gilmour
McDonald

Am I missing someone or are guys like Clark and Kessel next? And who fills out the top 10 after that? Guys like Mogilny who were only here for a short period of time when they were past their primes?

Boy that half century sucked. I thought for sure the current core could get it done, I mean look at all that talent. So far they've done dick in the playoffs yet people keep fawning over guys like Marner because he's "one of the best in the history of the franchise". As Archie Bunker would say, whoop de doo.

That's been the main point the whole time.

Why are people here so Gung ho on ridding themselves of the best player this team has ever had, especially considering that in the last 50 years, there haven't been many great players.

I posted the playoff stats of 3 players.

While the fans are all up for running Matthews out, his stats are better than one of the 3 I posted. In fact, they are better than all 3 players.

2 of those players have 3 cups.
1 of those won a Conn Smythe.
1 of them never won anything.

1 of those 3 is Mats Sundin.....

The argument about what makes a player great based on playoff acumen is stupid when it ignores the rest of the body of work.

You don't give up on players like Matthews, and you especially don't do it over a million dollars per year on the contract....

It's stupid and short sighted.
It's a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it's just completely ass backwards mentality.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That's been the main point the whole time.

Why are people here so Gung ho on ridding themselves of the best player this team has ever had, especially considering that in the last 50 years, there haven't been many great players.

I posted the playoff stats of 3 players.

While the fans are all up for running Matthews out, his stats are better than one of the 3 I posted. In fact, they are better than all 3 players.

2 of those players have 3 cups.
1 of those won a Conn Smythe.
1 of them never won anything.

1 of those 3 is Mats Sundin.....

The argument about what makes a player great based on playoff acumen is stupid when it ignores the rest of the body of work.

You don't give up on players like Matthews, and you especially don't do it over a million dollars per year on the contract....

It's stupid and short sighted.
It's a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it's just completely ass backwards mentality.

No point in asking me why people think what they do. I also think hardly anyone is "gung ho on ridding themselves" of anyone, which posts are you referring to?

If you see someone post something you disagree with, why not ask them to explain themselves instead of coming to me?

 

[Hellcat]

That's been the main point the whole time.

Why are people here so Gung ho on ridding themselves of the best player this team has ever had, especially considering that in the last 50 years, there haven't been many great players.

I posted the playoff stats of 3 players.

While the fans are all up for running Matthews out, his stats are better than one of the 3 I posted. In fact, they are better than all 3 players.

2 of those players have 3 cups.
1 of those won a Conn Smythe.
1 of them never won anything.

1 of those 3 is Mats Sundin.....

The argument about what makes a player great based on playoff acumen is stupid when it ignores the rest of the body of work.

You don't give up on players like Matthews, and you especially don't do it over a million dollars per year on the contract....

It's stupid and short sighted.
It's a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it's just completely ass backwards mentality.

Are we trying to build a great team or have a bunch of highly skilled highly paid players that break individual records but are not winners in the playoffs? Sometimes great players are not winners.

 

[Trapper]

That's been the main point the whole time.

Why are people here so Gung ho on ridding themselves of the best player this team has ever had, especially considering that in the last 50 years, there haven't been many great players.

I posted the playoff stats of 3 players.

While the fans are all up for running Matthews out, his stats are better than one of the 3 I posted. In fact, they are better than all 3 players.

2 of those players have 3 cups.
1 of those won a Conn Smythe.
1 of them never won anything.

1 of those 3 is Mats Sundin.....

The argument about what makes a player great based on playoff acumen is stupid when it ignores the rest of the body of work.

You don't give up on players like Matthews, and you especially don't do it over a million dollars per year on the contract....

It's stupid and short sighted.
It's a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it's just completely ass backwards mentality.

I’m not interested in running Matthews out.
I’m frustrated at what we pay an entire core, losing quality depth pieces, losing high draft picks and then paying the entire core more with 1 playoff win in 7 tries. The high end salary scale vs. bargain bin support.

I would prefer to keep Matthews for 8 years and move on from some others to build a better depth, better fullly functional, better rounded and better playoff equipped team for him, not others.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

If it's 3 years I will be a lil salty. I can accept 4 or more with open arms.

 

[Hellcat]

If anyone actually knew his contract asks, we wouldn’t be getting vague articles with every possible number under the sun.

Nothing we’ve seen so far seems to be actual concrete information. Even the term that Friedman is so adamant about, I don’t think I’ve once heard him say he’s actually been told this is what Matthews’ camp is asking for. It’s always “I think this is what he wants”.

I think we do, players, agents and management use the media as a cudgel , a wedge, a negotiating tool. There are more than a few media types that have direct line information. Some just make shit up, some actually have inside info.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[glue]

Thanks. AM more than 12.6 is already putting himself ahead of the team, so not really sure how that gives us much ‘cap flexibility’. I also hate the notion that he’s looking at 3,4 or 5 years at that amount. Just gross

 

[Sypher04]

Thanks. AM more than 12.6 is already putting himself ahead of the team, so not really sure how that gives us much ‘cap flexibility’. I also hate the notion that he’s looking at 3,4 or 5 years at that amount. Just gross

I can understand people not liking the shorter terms. I don’t like 3, but 5 seems fine to me. The years you’d anticipate to be his best remaining are the next 6 (remainder of this contract, plus 5). Anything beyond that puts him in his 33-35 range. Where is his body even at by then?

As for over 12.6 being putting himself ahead of the team, I don’t see it. At least not at say up to 13M. If we were pushing to like 14 then sure. I mean, we’d all like cheaper, but around 13 and under seems like a reasonable landing place for him. Especially with the extra like 10M dollars the cap is expected to increase inside of the next 2 years I believe.

 

[pcruz]

No point in asking me why people think what they do. I also think hardly anyone is "gung ho on ridding themselves" of anyone, which posts are you referring to?

If you see someone post something you disagree with, why not ask them to explain themselves instead of coming to me?

I have, and I wasn't going at you here at all.

More often than not, people will be expanding on your opinion instead of directly responding or rebutting it.

 

[PromisedLand]

if AM is at 12.7 I'll take it.

Willy's camp wants more than Timo? LOL. I recall Treliving wasn't too happy dealing with the same agent in calgary with Gaudreau's contract demands.

I guess if this keeps up Willy is likely traded.

 

[rojac]

if AM is at 12.7 I'll take it.

Willy's camp wants more than Timo? LOL. I recall Treliving wasn't too happy dealing with the same agent in calgary with Gaudreau's contract demands.

I guess if this keeps up Willy is likely traded.

I thought we already had an idea that Willy was probably asking for at least 9. Timo got 8.8. This is hardly new info.

 

[Gabriel426]

Even at 12.7mil for 8yrs still means he care about himself more than the team.
Why do you need the tag of being the highest paid player in the league, should you want to be the best player in the league instead?
All the bs about shorter term like 5yrs is crap. Sign 8 yrs and that’s it bc in 5 yrs, Leaf’s will pay him even more bc they can’t afford to let him walk for nothing.

 

[Legion34]

Even at 12.7mil for 8yrs still means he care about himself more than the team.
Why do you need the tag of being the highest paid player in the league, should you want to be the best player in the league instead?
All the bs about shorter term like 5yrs is crap. Sign 8 yrs and that’s it bc in 5 yrs, Leaf’s will pay him even more bc they can’t afford to let him walk for nothing.

Why did mackinnon need it?

12.7 would be 14.5% of a 87.5 cap.

That’s star “panarin, Tavares, seguin, kopitar,” not superstar Money.

That’s a clear underpayment for a guy who has like 10 less goals than ovechkin at 25.

 

[Gabriel426]

Why did mackinnon need it?

12.7 would be 14.5% of a 87.5 cap.

That’s star “panarin, Tavares, seguin, kopitar,” not superstar Money.

That’s a clear underpayment for a guy who has like 10 less goals than ovechkin at 25.

Mack led his team to a Cup. What had AM done?
The cap is also not 87.5mil yet and I am pretty sure Mack’s team used all sort of future cap numbers in their negotiations too.

Only in Leafs land where I see justification of overpaying players on shorter terms deal as positive to the team.

I think AM is great an all but let’s be realistic, if Pastra signs for 12.7mil for 5 yrs, none of you will be saying Bruins got a great deal, look at the cap % and it is only for his prime years….most if not all of you will be laughing at Bruins for getting bend over.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Mack led his team to a Cup. What had AM done?
The cap is also not 87.5mil yet and I am pretty sure Mack’s team used all sort of future cap numbers in their negotiations too.

Only in Leafs land where I see justification of overpaying players on shorter terms deal as positive to the team.

I think AM is great an all but let’s be realistic, if Pastra signs for 12.7mil for 5 yrs, none of you will be saying Bruins got a great deal, look at the cap % and it is only for his prime years….most if not all of you will be laughing at Bruins for getting bend over.

No kidding. If Matthews signed 12.6 x EIGHT the offseason after carrying the leafs to a cup, literally nobody would be complaining.

And here Legion is advocating massive overpayments to our players again based on PROJECTED cap increases. I honestly can't even take it any more. I can't f***ING take it.

 

[Cleetus]

if AM is at 12.7 I'll take it.

Willy's camp wants more than Timo? LOL. I recall Treliving wasn't too happy dealing with the same agent in calgary with Gaudreau's contract demands.

I guess if this keeps up Willy is likely traded.

I like Willy, but if his ask is too high, its time to explore a trade, or Sign in trade we should get a few nice pieces back and move on