News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[andora]

Stanley cups have never driven player salaries. Players are and always have been paid based on their individual accomplishments and projections. As far as MacKinnon vs Matthews, Auston is younger and more decorated individually, so not sure how you arrive at your conclusion.

If your insinuation is MacKinnon is a much better player than Matthews you’re simply wrong

What do you think barbashev will get ufa and does he get the same if vegas lost 1st or 2nd round

 

[Gabriel426]

The funny thing is the leafs was by far worst against tampa than florida

I ask you how many key save Samsonov did? When your goalie suck, what do you do? Open the gates, play agressive whatever whats happening or youre trying to close your game as much possible, take minimum of risk ( so for sure ypu creating less offensive) ...

Playing pretty agressive game yes you can and probably unstead of losing 3-2 youre gonna lost 6-3, 6-4 , 4-3 like Boston did. Both started with the same exact problem at the end... but core 4 would finish with higher number of pts for sure

When your goalie is trash, youre will be trash...

ulmark was trash, Boston despite best season in NHL history and outplayed florida in playoff, they lost

Vasilevskiy was trash, despite the fact tb reached 3 time in a row and outplayed leafs, they lost

samsonov was trash and deapite leafs played a most better series they did vs tampa and outplayed florida they lost

Both Brossoit and skinner was trash to start this serie, the series was even the day hill step in and play like he did...oilers became trash

Did Leafs made Vas trash or Vas was just trash?

You are so fixated on goalie and defense that you are ignoring or downplaying the top guys productions. 1 goal in 5 games for your top three highest paid forwards who happened to be top 8 highest in league salary just won’t cut it.
And if they gave up or felt deflated bc their goalie didn’t make a save and let in a weak goal, I don’t think that’s the mentality of winners. True winners and leaders will bail their goalie out and tell the goalie, we will score for you and win the game and not the other way around, make a save bc we can’t score.

 

[ToneDog]

Stanley cups have never driven player salaries. Players are and always have been paid based on their individual accomplishments and projections. As far as MacKinnon vs Matthews, Auston is younger and more decorated individually, so not sure how you arrive at your conclusion.

If your insinuation is MacKinnon is a much better player than Matthews you’re simply wrong

Sorry Mackinnon > Matthews. Your blind if you can't see the difference.

 

[HockeyVirus]

IDK 13.75 I take it. He's a top 5 center in the league. I think the roster would need to change around him and he would need to know that. We can't have 40-50M in forwards again.

The team would need to choose one of Marner or Nylander and that would be our stars. The rest of the cap would go to a few good dmen (one of them Rielly) and maybe a goalie.

Or he can take his current cap hit and we can see if Marner/Nylander play ball and get them all under 30M

Sorry Mackinnon > Matthews. Your blind if you can't see the difference.

They are different players. Matthews brings the two way game which is a ton of value a lot of other stars don't bring.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Stanley cups have never driven player salaries. Players are and always have been paid based on their individual accomplishments and projections. As far as MacKinnon vs Matthews, Auston is younger and more decorated individually, so not sure how you arrive at your conclusion.

If your insinuation is MacKinnon is a much better player than Matthews you’re simply wrong

So McDavid has more hardware than Matthews...so you'd be wrong there

Since Matthews has entered the league he's posted 542 pts in 481 gp or 1.13 pt per game (rounded up)

In that time, MacKinnon has put up 606 pts in 491 gp or 1.23 pt per game (not rounded)

MacKinnon's teams also won more series and then an actual Stanley cup, MacKinnon is definitely a better player than Auston Matthews. He can elevate his game in the post season as he has 100 pts in 77GP versus Matthews mediocre 44 pts in 50GP

So...you wrong

 

[ToneDog]

IDK 13.75 I take it. He's a top 5 center in the league. I think the roster would need to change around him and he would need to know that. We can't have 40-50M in forwards again.

The team would need to choose one of Marner or Nylander and that would be our stars. The rest of the cap would go to a few good dmen (one of them Rielly) and maybe a goalie.

Or he can take his current cap hit and we can see if Marner/Nylander play ball and get them all under 30M



They are different players. Matthews brings the two way game which is a ton of value a lot of other stars don't bring.

Nobody is saying Matty is not a great at hockey. He just is not in MacKinnon and McDavid's class. MacKinnon is not exactly chopped liver and he knows what to do when he drops the gloves.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yea that's where I arrived at

McDavid and MacKinnon 12.5 and 12.6M

Matthews has neither the individual hardware or the cup going from him here. He's flat out not as good and wasn't even a top 10 player this last season.

"But cap is going up, cap %s yada yada"

Okay - did Bratt get more than Rantanen? No? Because other teams aren't stupid.

Rantanen is a much better player and it doesn't matter that Bratt happened to sign later.

Bratt is also a 70 point player.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bratt is also a 70 point player.

He is and because the cap might go up...a player here would try to push for every penny they can get...over better players...NJD said no and paid him appropriately.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Nobody is saying Matty is not a great at hockey. He just is not in MacKinnon and McDavid's class. MacKinnon is not exactly chopped liver and he knows what to do when he drops the gloves.

Putting MacKinnon with McDavid shows you are vastyly over rating him. Laughable Matthews is not in his class. Laughable.

 

[pcruz]

To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with our big guns during the Tampa series either. Matthews big comeback performance in Game 4 was sort of his signature moment. But he was quiet that series up until the second half of that game before he came to life. Scored in the next game and the series winner but it wasn't exactly like he was Draisaitl.

You don't believe that putting up 10 and 11 points in 6 games, while being rather strong defensively is impressive?

Nearly every goal was scored while Holl was on the ice, and for the first 3 games, Nylander and Tavares.

Matthews was so dominant defensively that he wasn't on the ice for a shot on goal against in game 2...

In the first 4 or 5 games, he was on the ice for like 2 or 3 goals against, and 2 of them were scored immediately after he got on the ice and hadn't even gotten to skate to his own zone yet.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He is and because the cap might go up...a player here would try to push for every penny they can get...over better players...NJD said no and paid him appropriately.

We know what 70 point players generally cost though, enough of them sign every year that we have regular comparables to update the price with. The goals/assist splits are usually within a 20/50 to 30/40 range so there’s not much goals vs assists bickering in the price.

How much does a 100+ point player cost? Maybe 1 signs a full UFA contract every 1-2 years, you don’t have 3 guys every year setting an average price level within a few 100k of each other. What’s 60/40 worth vs 50/50 vs 25/75?

 

[WTFMAN99]

We know what 70 point players generally cost though, enough of them sign every year that we have regular comparables to update the price with. The goals/assist splits are usually within a 20/50 to 30/40 range so there’s not much goals vs assists bickering in the price.

How much does a 100+ point player cost? Maybe 1 signs a full UFA contract every 1-2 years, you don’t have 3 guys every year setting an average price level within a few 100k of each other. What’s 60/40 worth vs 50/50 vs 25/75?

Lots of guys hitting 100 pts now

I mean Matthews only posted 85 pts this year and hit 100 pts once but in the NHL....it's not so rare anymore.

This was everyone that did it or reasonably close...

Matthews isn't that special, unless he did the whole 60 pt, 110 pt thing with regularly and then actually took charge in the post-season.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Lots of guys hitting 100 pts now

I mean Matthews only posted 85 pts this year and hit 100 pts once but in the NHL....it's not so rare anymore.

This was everyone that did it or reasonably close...

Matthews isn't that special, unless he did the whole 60 pt, 110 pt thing with regularly and then actually took charge in the post-season.

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Pastrnak and MacKinnon are the only ones on that list to sign a full UFA contract in a relevant timeframe, Pastrnak’s is the most recent and it’ll be a full 2 years of cap increase before Matthews next deal goes into effect.

70 point guys will sign 7.25 7.5 7.75 contracts every year as the cap goes up, 100+ point guys sign UFA deals once in a while so you get bigger jumps happening but less often.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Pastrnak and MacKinnon are the only ones on that list to sign a full UFA contract in a relevant timeframe, Pastrnak’s is the most recent and it’ll be a full 2 years of cap increase before Matthews next deal goes into effect.

70 point guys will sign 7.25 7.5 7.75 contracts every year as the cap goes up, 100+ point guys sign UFA deals once in a while so you get bigger jumps happening but less often.

So MacKinnon signed his extension last summer at 12.6M and earned 6.3M this year, he's now earning 12.6M starting next year, I think there was even rumors that the cap was going to jump 3-4M this off-season versus the 1M (likely) that we're getting.

Matthews is going to sign this summer and then enjoy his really high salary still and then get a bump the following year. The question is, does he even deserve a bump and if so, how much? He's already earning a ton. Matthews was an 85 pt guy this year and hit 100 points once, so he's between the 70-75 pt guys and the 100 pt guys more than he's a proven 100 point guy.

 

[mydnyte]

Lots of guys hitting 100 pts now

I mean Matthews only posted 85 pts this year and hit 100 pts once but in the NHL....it's not so rare anymore.

This was everyone that did it or reasonably close...

Matthews isn't that special, unless he did the whole 60 pt, 110 pt thing with regularly and then actually took charge in the post-season.

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this season was an aberration, and a bunch of players had career seasons that arent likely to repeat

 

[WTFMAN99]

this season was an aberration, and a bunch of players had career seasons that arent likely to repeat

Scoring has been going up for a few years now.

 

[Martin Skoula]

So MacKinnon signed his extension last summer at 12.6M and earned 6.3M this year, he's now earning 12.6M starting next year, I think there was even rumors that the cap was going to jump 3-4M this off-season versus the 1M (likely) that we're getting.

Matthews is going to sign this summer and then enjoy his really high salary still and then get a bump the following year. The question is, does he even deserve a bump and if so, how much? He's already earning a ton. Matthews was an 85 pt guy this year and hit 100 points once, so he's between the 70-75 pt guys and the 100 pt guys more than he's a proven 100 point guy.

If you genuinely think he’s an 85 point guy then even his current salary would be an overpayment in FA and you need to trade him immediately to one of the 31 other teams that don’t think he’s an 85 point guy.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you genuinely think he’s an 85 point guy then even his current salary would be an overpayment in FA and you need to trade him immediately to one of the 31 other teams that don’t think he’s an 85 point guy.

If he's asking for much more than 13M, I probably do make the trade.

 

[Martin Skoula]

If he's asking for much more than 13M, I probably do make the trade.

You would pay an 85 point player 13 million?!

 

[AvroArrow]

If Matthews gets 13.75, no way I see Marner less than 13 million. Right now Marner makes about 700K less. And then Nylander for 10. Huberdeau was paid 10.5 by Treliving.
Good luck.

Marner at 13M is going to be one of the worst deals in league history if that's what happens. Complete no show when it matters, gotta start paying guys for what they can do in big games, not stat padding the regular season.

So MacKinnon signed his extension last summer at 12.6M and earned 6.3M this year, he's now earning 12.6M starting next year, I think there was even rumors that the cap was going to jump 3-4M this off-season versus the 1M (likely) that we're getting.

Matthews is going to sign this summer and then enjoy his really high salary still and then get a bump the following year. The question is, does he even deserve a bump and if so, how much? He's already earning a ton. Matthews was an 85 pt guy this year and hit 100 points once, so he's between the 70-75 pt guys and the 100 pt guys more than he's a proven 100 point guy.

Matthews is a 90-100 point Elite two way 1C. He's been on pace for 90+ for a few seasons in a row now, arguably the best goal scorer in the game and he's improved so much on the defensive side of the game. If there's a guy on the team I'm paying, it's him. If Marner wants the same amount he can take a hike.

 

[13pacheco31]

You would pay an 85 point player 13 million?!

Well he did put up 106 points a season prior and 66 in 52 games the season before that (104 point pace)

 

[Sypher04]

So McDavid has more hardware than Matthews...so you'd be wrong there

Since Matthews has entered the league he's posted 542 pts in 481 gp or 1.13 pt per game (rounded up)

In that time, MacKinnon has put up 606 pts in 491 gp or 1.23 pt per game (not rounded)

MacKinnon's teams also won more series and then an actual Stanley cup, MacKinnon is definitely a better player than Auston Matthews. He can elevate his game in the post season as he has 100 pts in 77GP versus Matthews mediocre 44 pts in 50GP

So...you wrong

I never said a single word about McDavid.
And MacKinnon having a slightly higher regular season point per game isn’t meaningful.

MacKinnon may be better, but if so, barely.

 

[thusk]

Did Leafs made Vas trash or Vas was just trash?

You are so fixated on goalie and defense that you are ignoring or downplaying the top guys productions. 1 goal in 5 games for your top three highest paid forwards who happened to be top 8 highest in league salary just won’t cut it.
And if they gave up or felt deflated bc their goalie didn’t make a save and let in a weak goal, I don’t think that’s the mentality of winners. True winners and leaders will bail their goalie out and tell the goalie, we will score for you and win the game and not the other way around, make a save bc we can’t score.

1- i never say foward cant do more,

2- how florida, mtl and columbus beat leafs, its exactly the same way...

They stick at 5 in front of the net and let leafs d outside of rielly doing whatever they want... and leafs did absolutly nothing because leafs D cant create any offensive, cant make any play to create shooting or passing lane. So leafs foward had to battle between 5 panthers with no space

So the biggest part on leafs offensive came from counter-attack

You can focus on core or focus on what you can do to be better all around. Upgrading the d on offensive side, you forcing your opponent to respect your D and create space for core to get the job done.

 

[rojac]

If he's asking for much more than 13M, I probably do make the trade.

Isn't what he's willing to settle on far more important than the number that his side first asks for?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Isn't what he's willing to settle on far more important than the number that his side first asks for?

The problem is that after July 1st, when he can officially sign, you do lose leverage because he has the NMC, he controls it after that. He walks for free or controls the trade destination or you sign him to something big.

I'd be doing all the work right now if I am Treliving so I know on July 1st, I am announcing an extension at a number I can live with.