News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[andora]

Also Bobrovky was really good for exactly 2 rounds, he wasn't anything special against Boston and was horrible against Vegas

lol against two teams that can't score

 

[thusk]

Maybe the Leafs should score in the first 10mins like the other team.
Not saying you are wrong but you can’t blame that solely on goaltending when the team as a whole don’t start on time or come out firing like the other team. The Leafs could had set the tone of the game the moment the puck is dropped but how often is that the case?

They scored 6 goal in 1st 10... 1 of those goal was weak (marner goal gm 2 vs tampa)

I dont put all blame on goaltender but when your goalie struggle, its pretty hard to overcome... and Woll had been much better than Samsonov so still have hope

Jesus quit tripping over loonies to pick up dimes.. you have to get past this and acknowledge a greater issue. The goalie f***s up and gives up a goal - why does that automatically determine the team cant play a certain way

What do all successful teams go through and say? Trust the process, all buy in and stick to gameplan. If you are playing on your toes and dictating the games goals will go in regardless IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE - you play the same way..

It is like i am reading this as an excuse to say.. shit there is the bad goal.. lets see what they do now and we will react.. this coupled with how mundane of a game this team plays go together

Just watch where vegas or tampa or stl, washington whatever..

Good goaltending making key save at key time without giving a lot of free goal, good defensive game who can play both side of the ice... its where everything start in playoff... if youre weak at this 2 spot and they dont get the job done, you will struggle in playoff whatever how good you are in front...

Yes i know Hill was nothing else than a back up before playoff but nobody can tell he was not fantastic and no its not just how vegas played in front. Its the same team with Brossoit playing above 0,900%. He made huge save at right time and dont gave a lot of bad goal.

Defensive Muzzin injury last 4 year really hurt leafs... they was pretty thin...

Its not excuse but if you really want change, you need to fix the real problem... during 4 Samsonov lost, he gave up 11 weak goal!!!

for me the biggest mistake made in playoff was to be to safe and didn't use Woll until he didn't had any choice to send him cold in a extremely important game

 

[Gabriel426]

They scored 6 goal in 1st 10... 1 of those goal was weak (marner goal gm 2 vs tampa)

I dont put all blame on goaltender but when your goalie struggle, its pretty hard to overcome... and Woll had been much better than Samsonov so still have hope


Just watch where vegas or tampa or stl, washington whatever..

Good goaltending making key save at key time without giving a lot of free goal, good defensive game who can play both side of the ice... its where everything start in playoff... if youre weak at this 2 spot and they dont get the job done, you will struggle in playoff whatever how good you are in front...

Yes i know Hill was nothing else than a back up before playoff but nobody can tell he was not fantastic and no its not just how vegas played in front. Its the same team with Brossoit playing above 0,900%. He made huge save at right time and dont gave a lot of bad goal.

Defensive Muzzin injury last 4 year really hurt leafs... they was pretty thin...

Its not excuse but if you really want change, you need to fix the real problem... during 4 Samsonov lost, he gave up 11 weak goal!!!

for me the biggest mistake made in playoff was to be to safe and didn't use Woll until he didn't had any choice to send him cold in a extremely important game

Goaltending was not really a problem in the playoffs if AM, MM and JT could score more than 1 goal in 5 games. IF they each score 1 more goal against the Panthers, the Leafs would probably advanced to play against the Canes.
It is easy to look at goaltending and point to that as a huge reason for playoffs failure but none of the games were blowout losses to Panthers. Two of them went to OT. The offense wasn't producing and that was due to our top three highest paid forwards which also happened to be 3 of the top 7-8 highest paid players in the league could not score more than ONE goal in 5 games.

 

[Gallagbi]

Goaltending was not really a problem in the playoffs if AM, MM and JT could score more than 1 goal in 5 games. IF they each score 1 more goal against the Panthers, the Leafs would probably advanced to play against the Canes.
It is easy to look at goaltending and point to that as a huge reason for playoffs failure but none of the games were blowout losses to Panthers. Two of them went to OT. The offense wasn't producing and that was due to our top three highest paid forwards which also happened to be 3 of the top 7-8 highest paid players in the league could not score more than ONE goal in 5 games.

Both are true. We needed better goaltending given the quality of chances against and we needed to convert more chances

 

[andora]

They scored 6 goal in 1st 10... 1 of those goal was weak (marner goal gm 2 vs tampa)

I dont put all blame on goaltender but when your goalie struggle, its pretty hard to overcome... and Woll had been much better than Samsonov so still have hope


Just watch where vegas or tampa or stl, washington whatever..

Good goaltending making key save at key time without giving a lot of free goal, good defensive game who can play both side of the ice... its where everything start in playoff... if youre weak at this 2 spot and they dont get the job done, you will struggle in playoff whatever how good you are in front...

Yes i know Hill was nothing else than a back up before playoff but nobody can tell he was not fantastic and no its not just how vegas played in front. Its the same team with Brossoit playing above 0,900%. He made huge save at right time and dont gave a lot of bad goal.

Defensive Muzzin injury last 4 year really hurt leafs... they was pretty thin...

Its not excuse but if you really want change, you need to fix the real problem... during 4 Samsonov lost, he gave up 11 weak goal!!!

for me the biggest mistake made in playoff was to be to safe and didn't use Woll until he didn't had any choice to send him cold in a extremely important game

11 bad goals my ass

 

[thusk]

Goaltending was not really a problem in the playoffs if AM, MM and JT could score more than 1 goal in 5 games. IF they each score 1 more goal against the Panthers, the Leafs would probably advanced to play against the Canes.
It is easy to look at goaltending and point to that as a huge reason for playoffs failure but none of the games were blowout losses to Panthers. Two of them went to OT. The offense wasn't producing and that was due to our top three highest paid forwards which also happened to be 3 of the top 7-8 highest paid players in the league could not score more than ONE goal in 5 games.

Yes maybe but whos leading leafs vs tampa? for me the turning point against florida is gm #2... leafs played pratically a perfect 1st 22 minutes, took a 2-0 lead but they lost their lead on 2 very bad goal... florida came back alive and despite pratically a perfect start and gave up pratically nothing defensivly they was trailing 3-2. Hard to win psychologic battle that way, and its where you starte to doubt about yourself... playing at your best but trailing serie 1-0 and game 3-2, pressure start to be red hot on you. The leafs never been the same after this one.

11 bad goals my ass

Gm 1 vs tb goal #1-2-3-5-6 was weak

Gm 5 # 2 was weak

Gm 1 #1-3 ( i put because him because the only reason this shot goes in is because he lost his balance exavtly like #4 who was also a pretty bad goal

Gm 2 goal number #1-2 was pretty bad...

The only goal quesrionable is he breakaway where he lost his balance. So minimum 10 weak goal in 4 game

 

[nuck]

Ovechkin scored 367 goals in 599 games from his age 27 season to age 34 seasons. First season shortened by lock out and the last season shortened by Covid.

That's a 50.2 goal pace over 82 games and the same age 27-34 seasons that Matthews would embark on if he signed for 8 years.

If he comes anywhere close to that then it's a great deal all around for the Leafs.

Matthews has already missed more games to injury at 26 than Ovy has at 37. Pace over 82 isn't anything like playing 82 so that level of success will require AM becomes something that he isn't which is extremely durable. I will take three MVPish seasons though and the other five at 85 pts or whatever because that's what he brings and its a lot. I wouldn't pay $14M for that though the club might. I can't see how they can afford MM if they spend that much on Matthews.

 

[Stephen]

lol against two teams that can't score

I find the Canes are kinda similar to Vegas but they don't quite have the same killer instinct and physicality up front. They're all about quick zone outs, dump and chase, kinda like the Sharks from back in the day.

What pisses me off about this era of the Leafs is they won't even engage in the crease crashing, net from chaos antics. If a goalie is getting hot, the way to beat him usually isn't to just spam more shots but get him off his game. Crowd his space, make him uncomfortable psychologically. Make him uncomfortable physically. You do all those things and still get "Goalied", you tip your cap and move on. But every year we run into Dominik Hasek's Ghost playing like choir boys.

 

[andora]

I find the Canes are kinda similar to Vegas but they don't quite have the same killer instinct and physicality up front. They're all about quick zone outs, dump and chase, kinda like the Sharks from back in the day.

What pisses me off about this era of the Leafs is they won't even engage in the crease crashing, net from chaos antics. If a goalie is getting hot, the way to beat him usually isn't to just spam more shots but get him off his game. Crowd his space, make him uncomfortable psychologically. Make him uncomfortable physically. You do all those things and still get "Goalied", you tip your cap and move on. But every year we run into Dominik Hasek's Ghost playing like choir boys.

Excellent description of my dumbfoundedness as well

See boys see what vegas players did, do that

 

[Gabriel426]

Yes maybe but whos leading leafs vs tampa? for me the turning point against florida is gm #2... leafs played pratically a perfect 1st 22 minutes, took a 2-0 lead but they lost their lead on 2 very bad goal... florida came back alive and despite pratically a perfect start and gave up pratically nothing defensivly they was trailing 3-2. Hard to win psychologic battle that way, and its where you starte to doubt about yourself... playing at your best but trailing serie 1-0 and game 3-2, pressure start to be red hot on you. The leafs never been the same after this one.


Gm 1 vs tb goal #1-2-3-5-6 was weak

Gm 5 # 2 was weak

Gm 1 #1-3 ( i put because him because the only reason this shot goes in is because he lost his balance exavtly like #4 who was also a pretty bad goal

Gm 2 goal number #1-2 was pretty bad...

The only goal quesrionable is he breakaway where he lost his balance. So minimum 10 weak goal in 4 game

There was no turning point in the series against the Panthers. It was pretty even in Game 1 but the boys could not clutch their chances while Panthers could.
Leafs came out flying in Game 2 but Panthers clawed back as Leafs couldnt score after their 2nd goal.
They choked from top to bottom in Game 3 and not like Panthers were playing well in Game 3 either.
The rest is history.

Panthers just played well enough to beat us and thats the most annoying thing about it. Our top guys didn't lead like they did against TB. The didnt drive to the net and create traffic like they did against TB and Vas, they didn't play like a pact against the Panthers like they did against TB. ROR said it best, they could had tried something different but chose not to in the second round. Maybe it was the coach or players, but I think it had something to do with their mindset that, they are just a few bounces from winning instead of understanding-the way they play are not as good as they think and thats why they had been kicked in the first round.

Excellent description of my dumbfoundedness as well

See boys see what vegas players did, do that

But they are just a few bounces their way from winning the Cup, lol

 

[GoonieFace]

Yes maybe but whos leading leafs vs tampa? for me the turning point against florida is gm #2... leafs played pratically a perfect 1st 22 minutes, took a 2-0 lead but they lost their lead on 2 very bad goal... florida came back alive and despite pratically a perfect start and gave up pratically nothing defensivly they was trailing 3-2. Hard to win psychologic battle that way, and its where you starte to doubt about yourself... playing at your best but trailing serie 1-0 and game 3-2, pressure start to be red hot on you. The leafs never been the same after this one.


Gm 1 vs tb goal #1-2-3-5-6 was weak

Gm 5 # 2 was weak

Gm 1 #1-3 ( i put because him because the only reason this shot goes in is because he lost his balance exavtly like #4 who was also a pretty bad goal

Gm 2 goal number #1-2 was pretty bad...

The only goal quesrionable is he breakaway where he lost his balance. So minimum 10 weak goal in 4 game

Keep churning out the excuses. This team couldn’t score against Florida, cause the perimeter offence didn’t work. Tampas blue line was weak without Cernak and half a Hedman, and that’s how they beat them.

 

[andora]

There was no turning point in the series against the Panthers. It was pretty even in Game 1 but the boys could not clutch their chances while Panthers could.
Leafs came out flying in Game 2 but Panthers clawed back as Leafs couldnt score after their 2nd goal.
They choked from top to bottom in Game 3 and not like Panthers were playing well in Game 3 either.
The rest is history.

Panthers just played well enough to beat us and thats the most annoying thing about it. Our top guys didn't lead like they did against TB. The didnt drive to the net and create traffic like they did against TB and Vas, they didn't play like a pact against the Panthers like they did against TB. ROR said it best, they could had tried something different but chose not to in the second round. Maybe it was the coach or players, but I think it had something to do with their mindset that, they are just a few bounces from winning instead of understanding-the way they play are not as good as they think and thats why they had been kicked in the first round.


But they are just a few bounces their way from winning the Cup, lol

Right my mistake.. that made me laugh

 

[notbias]

lol against two teams that can't score

Should have told that to Vasi and the Lightning.

 

[andora]

Should have told that to Vasi and the Lightning.

K?

 

[baton elevated]

I wonder if AM and MM confide with each other? What I'm getting at is I think they are friends and like playing on the same team. They have to know that both cannot be over paid or they will need to split apart for cap reason. One does not want to give ground to the other salary wise so they compromise. AM takes $12ish and MM 11ish. It's not ideal but they stay on the same team and BFF's and all that. Does it sound outlandish or are they in it to squeeze every last dollar and go their own ways? I can assure you MM doesn't want to leave the leafs, I can't say the same about AM.

 

[mkatcherin00]

But How you want to dictate game when your allowing goal in 1st 40 min in a rate of 3,55/60 minutes

How do you want to dictate when youre goalie already gave up a weak goal if not 2 in first 10 min . How do you want to dictate when youre taking a 2 goal lead fast and your goalie broke it allowed 2 awful goal next 10

Just as exemple leafs allowed 7 (rate of 3,81/60) goal in 1st 10 minute... 4 of those goal in 3 different game was pretty bad and never should goes in.. result leafs trailed on those 3 game and they lost all of those 3 game without being able to get any lead at any time during the game... its 50% of leafs lost this playoff started with goaltending struggle in 1st 10 minutes...

How does McDrai win so many games when Campbell let in 5 goals a ton of games? Go look at Campbell's wins...

 

[thusk]

There was no turning point in the series against the Panthers. It was pretty even in Game 1 but the boys could not clutch their chances while Panthers could.
Leafs came out flying in Game 2 but Panthers clawed back as Leafs couldnt score after their 2nd goal.
They choked from top to bottom in Game 3 and not like Panthers were playing well in Game 3 either.
The rest is history.

Panthers just played well enough to beat us and thats the most annoying thing about it. Our top guys didn't lead like they did against TB. The didnt drive to the net and create traffic like they did against TB and Vas, they didn't play like a pact against the Panthers like they did against TB. ROR said it best, they could had tried something different but chose not to in the second round. Maybe it was the coach or players, but I think it had something to do with their mindset that, they are just a few bounces from winning instead of understanding-the way they play are not as good as they think and thats why they had been kicked in the first round.


But they are just a few bounces their way from winning the Cup, lol

The funny thing is the leafs was by far worst against tampa than florida

I ask you how many key save Samsonov did? When your goalie suck, what do you do? Open the gates, play agressive whatever whats happening or youre trying to close your game as much possible, take minimum of risk ( so for sure ypu creating less offensive) ...

Playing pretty agressive game yes you can and probably unstead of losing 3-2 youre gonna lost 6-3, 6-4 , 4-3 like Boston did. Both started with the same exact problem at the end... but core 4 would finish with higher number of pts for sure

When your goalie is trash, youre will be trash...

ulmark was trash, Boston despite best season in NHL history and outplayed florida in playoff, they lost

Vasilevskiy was trash, despite the fact tb reached 3 time in a row and outplayed leafs, they lost

samsonov was trash and deapite leafs played a most better series they did vs tampa and outplayed florida they lost

Both Brossoit and skinner was trash to start this serie, the series was even the day hill step in and play like he did...oilers became trash

 

[Stephen]

Panthers just played well enough to beat us and thats the most annoying thing about it. Our top guys didn't lead like they did against TB. The didnt drive to the net and create traffic like they did against TB and Vas, they didn't play like a pact against the Panthers like they did against TB. ROR said it best, they could had tried something different but chose not to in the second round. Maybe it was the coach or players, but I think it had something to do with their mindset that, they are just a few bounces from winning instead of understanding-the way they play are not as good as they think and thats why they had been kicked in the first round.

To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with our big guns during the Tampa series either. Matthews big comeback performance in Game 4 was sort of his signature moment. But he was quiet that series up until the second half of that game before he came to life. Scored in the next game and the series winner but it wasn't exactly like he was Draisaitl.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Keep churning out the excuses. This team couldn’t score against Florida, cause the perimeter offence didn’t work. Tampas blue line was weak without Cernak and half a Hedman, and that’s how they beat them.

If only Tampa had Staal and Montour playing 40 hard shutdown minutes against us, easy win for them.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Matthew's is an elite goal scorer. Give him a short term deal, if we can't win in those years, let him walk or trade him. If he stays short term, I wouldn't mind paying g him 14m per. But if he wants 8 years, nothing over 13m per.

It's the opposite for me. The more years he accepts, the higher the AAV I'm okay with the team giving him. No chance am I letting him cash large on a short deal only to take his money and bounce in 3 years. I'll pay for loyalty. If he's not committed to the Leafs long term, then he can get bent.

 

[PromisedLand]

Am really scared Treliving is going to pull a Dubas and bendover backwards for Matthews giving him ridiculous AAV.

I really really really really really really hope am wrong

 

[GoonieFace]

It's the opposite for me. The more years he accepts, the higher the AAV I'm okay with the team giving him. No chance am I letting him cash large on a short deal only to take his money and bounce in 3 years. I'll pay for loyalty. If he's not committed to the Leafs long term, then he can get bent.

I don’t want them to commit long term if these wrist issues are chronic. Hopefully they have competent medical staff to figure that out.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Am really scared Treliving is going to pull a Dubas and bendover backwards for Matthews giving him ridiculous AAV.

I really really really really really really hope am wrong

No, you won't be wrong. That's what's going to happen.

 

[andora]

The funny thing is the leafs was by far worst against tampa than florida

I ask you how many key save Samsonov did? When your goalie suck, what do you do? Open the gates, play agressive whatever whats happening or youre trying to close your game as much possible, take minimum of risk ( so for sure ypu creating less offensive) ...

Playing pretty agressive game yes you can and probably unstead of losing 3-2 youre gonna lost 6-3, 6-4 , 4-3 like Boston did. Both started with the same exact problem at the end... but core 4 would finish with higher number of pts for sure

When your goalie is trash, youre will be trash...

ulmark was trash, Boston despite best season in NHL history and outplayed florida in playoff, they lost

Vasilevskiy was trash, despite the fact tb reached 3 time in a row and outplayed leafs, they lost

samsonov was trash and deapite leafs played a most better series they did vs tampa and outplayed florida they lost

Both Brossoit and skinner was trash to start this serie, the series was even the day hill step in and play like he did...oilers became trash

Okay I might change my tune and go with you here. Are you looking to change it up and start winning games two to one or three to two? Cuz I could be on board of Trading some of our huge contracts too

 

[WillNy29]

Keep churning out the excuses. This team couldn’t score against Florida, cause the perimeter offence didn’t work. Tampas blue line was weak without Cernak and half a Hedman, and that’s how they beat them.

lol the irony of telling others to stop making excuses and then making excuses for another team.