News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[ToDavid]

"If Matthews re-signs, it can be anywhere from three to eight seasons and likely put him in the NHL’s highest pay bracket, the $14-million to $15-million range. But hard numbers are still to be exchanged in the coming days, assuming the optimism generated by the past week continues."

Auston Matthews-Brad Treliving meeting cautiously optimistic start for new Maple Leafs deal

Auston Matthews, agent Judd Moldaver and new Leaf GM Brad Treliving have initiated contract talks to get the Leaf star signed long term.

torontosun.com

I simply don’t buy this nonsense. Reeks of the media trying to fill the deadest part of the off-season with something.

His last contract was rich, but at least within the realm of reason. And after two years, not enough of a track record to say much about the playoffs.

Five years later, coming off a down season and with a lack of playoff success hanging around his neck, he’s going to clear the highest paid player in the league (who just won a cup) by $1.5-$2.5m?

If that happens then why do we even have a GM? Matthews might as well just write up his own contract and submit it to the league.

 

[WillNy29]

I think its more that, when it counts Matthew T is there playing and getting points... AM sometimes yes other times is invisible. He will get points in games that dont matter or that we are killing teams.

what one run of hot scoring does to a guy...

 

[pcruz]

I think its more that, when it counts Matthew T is there playing and getting points... AM sometimes yes other times is invisible. He will get points in games that dont matter or that we are killing teams.

The solid 0 goals in the Florida series was exciting

Matthew Tkachuk Career Playoffs Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Gamelogs for Matthew Tkachuk for Career Playoffs

www.hockey-reference.com

Auston Matthews Career Playoffs Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Gamelogs for Auston Matthews for Career Playoffs

www.hockey-reference.com

Here is Tkachuck's and Matthews' playoff game log.

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[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]Total Goals[/TD]
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[TD]Games with 2+ Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 0 Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 1+ Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Goals[/TD]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
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[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]

[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]

[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]

[TD]7[/TD]
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[TD]Total Assists[/TD]
[TD]Games with 0 Assists[/TD]
[TD]Games with 1 Assist[/TD]
[TD]Games with 2+ Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 0 Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 1+ Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Assists[/TD]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]9[/TD]
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[TD]Total Points[/TD]
[TD]Games with 0 Points[/TD]
[TD]Games with 1 Point[/TD]
[TD]Games with 2+ Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 0 Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 1+ Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Points[/TD]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
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[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]

[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[/TR]
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Matthews has outperformed Tkachuck (drastically until this year to boot), has gone fewer games without getting on the board, and has been instrumental in more of his teams' wins....



It sucks when the stats completely contradict the "common knowledge".


Edit:


Hockey Reference didn't update the last 5 games vs FLA. The charts are now correct.....

 

[Nineteen67]

Wow Tkachuk had a helluva playoffs this year.

 

[pcruz]

...


And Kucherov has a history of showing up big in the playoffs, that whole team needs a long rest.

In the last 2 series vs Toronto, Kucherov has a total of 7 even strength points in 13 games.

Matthews had 13
Marner with 12
Tavares with 9
Nylander with 9


Kucherov showed up so big in the playoffs this year that he had 6 points in the 6 games......4 of those were on the power play, and only 2 were even strength.

Doesn't exactly scream "show up big in the playoffs" to me, that statline.

I see why people want to perpetuate this fallacy that Kucherov is a playoff hero, but he's been a power play mercenary and a fantastically dirty player.

 

[pcruz]

Wow Tkachuk had a helluva playoffs this year.

Incredible, right...


In the 27 playoff games Tkachuck played before this year, he had not scored a single goal in 23 of them.
In fact, he hadn't recorded an assist in 19 of the 27 games.
He hadn't recorded a point in 16 of those 27 games.


Imagine Matthews not scoring a single goal for 86% of his total playoff games as a Leaf - he'd be crucified mercilessly.

And the same Leafs fans who now laud Tkachuck as a playoff messiah would be the ones to crucify him if he had been a Leaf.


Just like my disgust with the inconsistency of the officiating, inconsistencies within this fanbase towards its star players irritates me to no end.

 

[Aashir]

In the last 2 series vs Toronto, Kucherov has a total of 7 even strength points in 13 games.

Matthews had 13
Marner with 12
Tavares with 9
Nylander with 9


Kucherov showed up so big in the playoffs this year that he had 6 points in the 6 games......4 of those were on the power play, and only 2 were even strength.

Doesn't exactly scream "show up big in the playoffs" to me, that statline.

I see why people want to perpetuate this fallacy that Kucherov is a playoff hero, but he's been a power play mercenary and a fantastically dirty player.

He can’t hear you with his two Stanley cup rings in his ears

66 in 48 during that span


You can try to manipulate the stats to find a 10 game stretch where his EVP (lol) are lower than our guys, but he blows our guys out of the water. Maybe if our guys had even half his pp play we’d have won against florida. Instead we got muffin point shots from Matthews and Marner

 

[andora]

How many times have our boys become true focal points of games.. whole games. Not segments or 10 minutes..or every 5th shift.. but games.. honestly

How many times have they become "the" story being told

Anyone going to try and answer this one?

I am looking at the people who are saying all the opponents players suck.. instead of acknowledging thatbthis fanbase naturally is gravitating towards these players because they play with a goddamn pulse

 

[pcruz]

What exactly is the question?

When is the last time a player played 60 full minutes and was the best player on the ice for the whole time?

Skaters are on the ice no more than 1/2 the game for defense and 1/3 for forwards.

Of the 30 shifts or so per game, you expect your best players to outperform their direct opponents for the majority of them.

That happened as late as, game 5 of round 2.

 

[thusk]

Oh jesus.. you are arguing with someone else about tkachuk not me.. keep it there

I asked an independent frustrated question about our guys.. any year

I just talked about double standard

Tkachuk scored at a rate of 1,1 g/60 and 2,34 pts/60 2,9 ppg/60 6,52 ppp/60

1,17 goal/60 and 2,34pts/60 1,68 ppg/60 5,05 ppp/60

1 was considerate like MVP and the other 1 like a chocker

But say hes playing with less intensity or only playing hard 1/3 of the game but i dont know you can play with less level intensity but still have higher number of hit, hit taken, takeaway, blocked shot

 

[GoonieFace]

Matthew Tkachuk Career Playoffs Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Gamelogs for Matthew Tkachuk for Career Playoffs

www.hockey-reference.com

Auston Matthews Career Playoffs Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Gamelogs for Auston Matthews for Career Playoffs

www.hockey-reference.com

Here is Tkachuck's and Matthews' playoff game log.

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[TD]Game Won with 1+ Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Goals[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Goals[/TD]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]

[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]

[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]

[TD]7[/TD]
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[TD]Game Won with 0 Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 1+ Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Assists[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Assists[/TD]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]9[/TD]
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[TD]Games with 0 Points[/TD]
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[TD]Games with 2+ Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 0 Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Won with 1+ Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 0 Points[/TD]
[TD]Game Lost with 1+ Points[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Tkachuck[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]

[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Matthews has outperformed Tkachuck (drastically until this year to boot), has gone fewer games without getting on the board, and has been instrumental in more of his teams' wins....



It sucks when the stats completely contradict the "common knowledge".


Edit:


Hockey Reference didn't update the last 5 games vs FLA. The charts are now correct.....

I don’t recall ever comparing him to Tkachuk. Anyhow, Tkachuk makes 9.5 mil and brings other elements to the game. $14mil for Matthews?

 

[geo25]

The right thing to do is not necessarily what the organization will do unfortunately . For some fans having a face or faces of the organization is very important to them personally. If it's about winning a cup then this is where the path has to diverge for this team. Star power and talent are important but it has to be accompanied with heart and soul. Gretzky epitomized those qualities perfectly, he just hated to lose and dragged his teammates into the fight with him. There is no one on this team that exemplifies this important trait.
Mlse won't give up their golden goose even if the GM knows it would improve the team.
If I'm the team and intent on winning I would without a hesitation trade MM and AM asap, move on from this ridiculous hostage taking and start fresh. Get the best return possible and move on. And please stop giving away draft picks like they are Crack Pipes in California.

Agreed 100%..

 

[Nineteen67]

Incredible, right...


In the 27 playoff games Tkachuck played before this year, he had not scored a single goal in 23 of them.
In fact, he hadn't recorded an assist in 19 of the 27 games.
He hadn't recorded a point in 16 of those 27 games.


Imagine Matthews not scoring a single goal for 86% of his total playoff games as a Leaf - he'd be crucified mercilessly.

And the same Leafs fans who now laud Tkachuck as a playoff messiah would be the ones to crucify him if he had been a Leaf.


Just like my disgust with the inconsistency of the officiating, inconsistencies within this fanbase towards its star players irritates me to no end.

But he did it this year, scored some huge goals and was noticeable in the big moments.
I‘d like to see what Matthews would do on a contending team

 

[ToneDog]

Shills trying to discredit Tkachuk's playoff using his previous not so good playoffs to defend Matty and Mitch. Give it up, you are embarrassing yourselves, you have zero credibility, and are wasting your time because anybody with half a brain knows Tkachuk knocked it out of the park these playoffs.

Do yourself and everybody a favour and stop.

 

[geo25]

Trade him now


Yes they can, just cannot sign it, but announce agreement

Is a verbal commitment legally binding....just wondering?

 

[Trapper]

Matthews doesn't do 2nd. rounds.

He did however score 1 goal in 7 games against Montreal.

The series against Florida it was marner's job to score 1 goal.

Montreal series - M&M 1 goal
Florida series - M&M 1 goal

Inflation is affecting everything.

That’s why we are going to retain them both at the discounted low price of 13+ million each. Imagine if they scored 2 goals. We couldn’t afford that or build a team with cap.

 

[ToneDog]

That’s why we are going to retain them both at the discounted low price of 13+ million each. Imagine if they scored 2 goals. We couldn’t afford that or build a team with cap.

After every playoff disappointment, I think, okay they can't run it back again, but here we are about to run it back again. LOL. This year it is because they changed the GM. Next year it will be because they changed the coach. The year after it will be they changed the POHO. The year after it will be they changed Carlton the Bear. How many excuses can there be until you admit, the problem is the petit 4? They are the common denominator.

 

[Trapper]

After every playoff disappointment, I think, okay they can't run it back again, but here we are about to run it back again. LOL. This year it is because they changed the GM. Next year it will be because they changed the coach. The year after it will be they changed the POHO. The year after it will be they changed Carlton the Bear. How many excuses can there be until you admit, the problem is the petit 4? They are the common denominator.

Nothing is going to change until we win (remove Shanahan) or San Jose Shark it.
Like I’ve said before, Dubas had a plan that failed. Now we are going to spend more money on the same pieces of that plan and expect a different result.

 

[andora]

What exactly is the question?

When is the last time a player played 60 full minutes and was the best player on the ice for the whole time?

Skaters are on the ice no more than 1/2 the game for defense and 1/3 for forwards.

Of the 30 shifts or so per game, you expect your best players to outperform their direct opponents for the majority of them.

That happened as late as, game 5 of round 2.

No it didnt. Outside of a couple shots by matthews our 3 looked pedestrian in the first two periods.

I just talked about double standard

Tkachuk scored at a rate of 1,1 g/60 and 2,34 pts/60 2,9 ppg/60 6,52 ppp/60

1,17 goal/60 and 2,34pts/60 1,68 ppg/60 5,05 ppp/60

1 was considerate like MVP and the other 1 like a chocker

But say hes playing with less intensity or only playing hard 1/3 of the game but i dont know you can play with less level intensity but still have higher number of hit, hit taken, takeaway, blocked shot

It happens all the time.. this team has spurts when they freak out about losing.. then they lead or tie it and the intensity creeps back down to blah

 

[mydnyte]

Wow Tkachuk had a helluva playoffs this year.

not against the Leafs he didnt, the rest of them beat us.

 

[Nineteen67]

not against the Leafs he didnt, the rest of them beat us.

Of course, has anyone not wearing stripes ever beaten the Leafs?

 

[WillNy29]

Of course, has anyone not wearing stripes ever beaten the Leafs?

I don't see the refs mentioned in this post...

 

[mydnyte]

Of course, has anyone not wearing stripes ever beaten the Leafs?

i'm sorry but Tkachuk was a non-factor in the series, on-off the scoreboard. Bennett was a big factor and that is a sad statement (for us)

 

[Trapper]

i'm sorry but Tkachuk was a non-factor in the series, on-off the scoreboard. Bennett was a big factor and that is a sad statement (for us)

I thought the best Panthers against us (aside from Bob) were,
Reinhart: 6.5
Bennett: 4.4
Verhaghe: 4.1

All salary ranges we have difficulty affording when you get past Barkov,Tkachuk,Ekblad in a series.

 

[IPS]

Shills trying to discredit Tkachuk's playoff using his previous not so good playoffs to defend Matty and Mitch. Give it up, you are embarrassing yourselves, you have zero credibility, and are wasting your time because anybody with half a brain knows Tkachuk knocked it out of the park these playoffs.

Do yourself and everybody a favour and stop.

I'm surprised that crew hasn't started preemptively shitting on Eichel too. He led the playoffs in scoring so I'm interested to here just how shitty and useless he was before he lucked out and did that.