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Americanadian said:
The city is voting on whether or not to approve the plans for a new arena. If they city votes against it then the Coyotes will move. We should know by the end of the week if there will even be an Arizona Coyotes when Matthews hits UFA.
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Municipal referendum right? I think the municipal government is on board but has kicked it to the citizenship for approval for political cover, if I am reading the tea leaves correctly.
 
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Mess said:
Friedman was speculating a short-term deal 3 to 5 years,

A 3 year deal putting him around age 30 to cash in on a 3rd deal thereafter seems to be what he was suggesting possible.
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And probably why I wrote "I don't think Eliots wrong"

Mercenary behaviour is never a good look for an athlete in a team sport.
 
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therealkoho said:
And probably why I wrote "I don't think Eliots wrong"

Mercenary behaviour is never a good look for an athlete in a team sport.
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The current regime let them get away with it when they were young RFAs and they had won absolutely nothing, they had zero leverage.

What do you think they're gonna do this time after putting up huge numbers and in Matthews' case, winning a Hart, Rocket? cha ching
 
Typically when most players say this, they say it in a much more indirect way. He pretty much came straight out and said without much left to interpreting that he not only wants to stay but that he wants to sign an extension before the season starts. I have always been sceptical of his 5 year deal and his long term intentions but this does give me some hope. The question now is the dollar figure and if the Leafs should be interested at that number. What he’s making right now is what I’d say he deserves moving forward. Going up to 13 with him seems like we’d be repeating the same BS over and over
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
The current regime let them get away with it when they were young RFAs and they had won absolutely nothing, they had zero leverage.

What do you think they're gonna do this time after putting up huge numbers and in Matthews' case, winning a Hart, Rocket? cha ching
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So let somebody else pay for that Hart trophy
 
Dough72 said:
the hitting stats are utter nonsense. Mitch Marner can bump into someone and Jake McCabe can obliterate someone and both are recorded as a hit. Virtually all the stats fans listen to are full of holes like this.
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It isn't simply the force of the hit. It's also the context of the hit. Did the hit force a rushed pass causing a potential turnover or was it just a meaningless collision? Did the hit eliminate a cycle or an offensive rush? Does the hit change how the defender tries to make a play later in the game?
 
Gallagbi said:
Game 3 we had a 2on1 in the first shift and multiple odd man rushes in the first 10 minutes. We got weaker as the game went on, so starting on time wasnt a huge issue
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Ya, Leafs had a 2-1 lead until 7 1/2 minutes left in 2nd period. Also no PP in that game for Leafs.
 
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Legion34 said:
All high tax teams are.

Canadian teams, LA teams, NY teams, Chicago all pay 14-15% of the cap for stars

Kane toews Tavares panarin karlson kopitar doughty price all got 14-15%



No tax teams pay 12-13%
Benn seguin point stamkos Kuch vasy barkov etc.

It’s a pretty clear and obvious trend and the math works out exactly with take home pay
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that's not how taxes work....these guys pay jock taxes not regular people taxes. Please stop spreading tax misinformation. firstly they only earn salaries on 41 games in Toronto, secondly most of their salaries are made up of bonuses paid out when they change their residencies.

Clayton Kershaw is a prime example of 90% of his salary is bonuses paid out in offseason when he lives in Texas and that saves him from having to pay California taxes. A lot of them also set up as Corporations and pay themselves in dividends from the corporation which funnels out personal income tax to a lot less.

Jock taxes and cross border tax treaties are worked by teams and agents all the time and effectively makes a lot of these players tax bills even across the league. Brian Burke had a really good presentation on this at Rotman's.

Source: am a CPA and have had experience in tax in the past (was mentored by someone who did taxes for some Blue Jays and some San Jose Sharks)
 
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therealkoho said:
This

In any one game I can see Tkachuk or McCabe knock an opponent on their ass at least once and sometimes twice.

I think back over the season and I can't remember Matthews ever knocking anybody on their arse, sure I can remember him engaging but not once ever rattling a guys spine.
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huh? Matthews throws big hits and was throwing his weight in the Tampa series. He demolished Shea Weber not too long ago. People are lapping up the media narrative and this is why reputations stick and never change. We believe what Kypreos is saying instead of watching a game with no media thoughts in mind to confirm our biases
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
The current regime let them get away with it when they were young RFAs and they had won absolutely nothing, they had zero leverage.

What do you think they're gonna do this time after putting up huge numbers and in Matthews' case, winning a Hart, Rocket? cha ching
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It has always been about the money for these 3. Won't be long before Matty proves it again or not. Mitch might not be our problem soon and Willie might want to wait before signing his new deal.
 
ToneDog said:
It has always been about the money for these 3. Won't be long before Matty proves it again or not. Mitch might not be our problem soon and Willie might want to wait before signing his new deal.
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We have control until July 1st, if they play hardball let's see how they like playing in Arizona or Columbus...Dubas has not yet shown he can be cutthroat, now's his chance
 
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WillNy29 said:
that's not how taxes work....these guys pay jock taxes not regular people taxes. Please stop spreading tax misinformation. firstly they only earn salaries on 41 games in Toronto, secondly most of their salaries are made up of bonuses paid out when they change their residencies.

Clayton Kershaw is a prime example of 90% of his salary is bonuses paid out in offseason when he lives in Texas and that saves him from having to pay California taxes. A lot of them also set up as Corporations and pay themselves in dividends from the corporation which funnels out personal income tax to a lot less.

Jock taxes and cross border tax treaties are worked by teams and agents all the time and effectively makes a lot of these players tax bills even across the league. Brian Burke had a really good presentation on this at Rotman's.

Source: am a CPA and have had experience in tax in the past (was mentored by someone who did taxes for some Blue Jays and some San Jose Sharks)
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Not with signing bonuses. Brian Burke also said that Matthews was leaving Canada due to taxes.

There are plenty of agents. GMs. Media. Players and accountants who actually worked with NHL players who disagree and have published articles showing the differences
What you are missing is that there are international borders they change everything

It’s very hard to claim your residency in America if you play 60 games in canada.

It has been covered ad nauseum.

Look yourself on cap friendly.

No tax teams stars with SB all signed for 11.5-13% of the cap. Thats all teams with different levels of compete. Different GMs etc.

Dallas: benn. Seguin. Heiskanen. Etc.
Florida: barkov. Ekblad. Verhage etc
Vgk: Petro. Stone.
Tampa: all of Tampa signed for 11-13% cap

Conversely. Stars on big market competitive teams in warm and cold climates all signed for 14-15% of the cap

La: kopitar and doughty. No break
SJ: karlson
NY: panarin. Lundqvist. Fox. Trouba. No break
Chi: Kane toews
All the Leafs.

Unless you think it’s a magical coincidence that all the no tax markets just so happen to match the take home pay of all the others

And somehow Anaheim/lA/SJ are colder than Florida/Texas

I mean come on. Look yourself.

Cap friendly has a calculator by an accounting firm on it
 
Legion34 said:
Not with signing bonuses. Brian Burke also said that Matthews was leaving Canada due to taxes.

There are plenty of agents. GMs. Media. Players and accountants who actually worked with NHL players who disagree and have published articles showing the differences
What you are missing is that there are international borders they change everything

It’s very hard to claim your residency in America if you play 60 games in canada.

It has been covered ad nauseum.

Look yourself on cap friendly.

No tax teams stars with SB all signed for 11.5-13% of the cap. Thats all teams with different levels of compete. Different GMs etc.

Dallas: benn. Seguin. Heiskanen. Etc.
Florida: barkov. Ekblad. Verhage etc
Vgk: Petro. Stone.
Tampa: all of Tampa signed for 11-13% cap

Conversely. Stars on big market competitive teams in warm and cold climates all signed for 14-15% of the cap

La: kopitar and doughty. No break
SJ: karlson
NY: panarin. Lundqvist. Fox. Trouba. No break
Chi: Kane toews
All the Leafs.

Unless you think it’s a magical coincidence that all the no tax markets just so happen to match the take home pay of all the others

And somehow Anaheim/lA/SJ are colder than Florida/Texas

I mean come on. Look yourself.

Cap friendly has a calculator by an accounting firm on it
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My man I worked with the guy who did some San Jose sharks taxes. These guys are not paying large taxes like you think. We have a cross border tax treaty that applies to both athletes and celebrities such as music artists. its a lot more complicated than this and that's why actual tax accountants for sports teams make a lot of money. The rangers players don't even live in New York they live in Connecticut.
 
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WillNy29 said:
My man I worked with the guy who did some San Jose sharks taxes. These guys are not paying large taxes like you think. We have a cross border tax treaty that applies to both athletes and celebrities such as music artists. its a lot more complicated than this and that's why actual tax accountants for sports teams make a lot of money. The rangers players don't even live in New York they live in Connecticut.
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Of course you have more knowledge in your field than me. But i have worked with a lot of people who did a lot of things… but that doesn’t make me an expert in what they do.

This isn’t my opinion. multiple agents. Players. GMs and accountants have openly come out and explained the differences. There have been published articles. Us platers who want to maintain residency can’t own property and lease cars here.

Lewis gross group actually makes spread sheets for take home taxes in each market. You are talking about extra loopholes and living arrangements to TRY to make up for disadvantages that don’t work. Or else there would be no difference.


Simple question. You are an accountant. Why are players in Dallas. Vegas. Florida all taking 2% less?

Coincidence?
 
I’ll give you a scenario. Dubas mentioned his family. What if dubas can’t sign matthews. And Mathew’s walks just like gaudreau. Dubas instantly becomes the most hated person in the GTA. His family couldn’t shop or go out in public without hearing about it, same for dubas. They would have to have security at all times. And dubas when he mentions his family, likely has played this scenario out in his head.
 
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