News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[WillNy29]

Of course you have more knowledge in your field than me. But i have worked with a lot of people who did a lot of things… but that doesn’t make me an expert in what they do.

This isn’t my opinion. multiple agents. Players. GMs and accountants have openly come out and explained the differences. There have been published articles. Us platers who want to maintain residency can’t own property and lease cars here.

Lewis gross group actually makes spread sheets for take home taxes in each market. You are talking about extra loopholes and living arrangements to TRY to make up for disadvantages that don’t work. Or else there would be no difference.


Simple question. You are an accountant. Why are players in Dallas. Vegas. Florida all taking 2% less?

Coincidence?

that's not how residency works; Canada can claim you are resident using any of the significant residential ties or secondary residential ties how they deem fit. For example dependency is considered in the residential test and a player like Seguin whose mom deposits his Biosteel checks in Brampton to her account can still be considered a Canadian tax resident and have to pay Canadian taxes because of this if they want him to. They can also use Sojourning rules to do so. American residency isn't based on sojourning or residential ties its based on citizenship or resident alien tests.

They're paying taxes where they earn the money so where the game is played and then also on all world wide income in Canada after which they get international tax credits based on tax treaties (this is an oversimplification for more of an average Joe rather than a celebrity).

The other thing you have to consider is the amount of tax loopholes available to millionaires that you are forgetting. This is why American players in tax heavy markets in Canada have been relying on bonuses as a solution; the specific treaty for cross border taxation outlines that signing bonuses executed in Canada can only be taxed at 15%. That's why Matthews contract is majority signing bonus laced. The remaining tax for American players in Canada is charged only on Canadian duty days (games played here).

Anyways it's a much more interesting topic than this and a lot more complex. I left the tax world a while back because the Canadian tax act makes my head hurt and financial reporting doesn't but this is the stuff I remember from my time there.

 

[pcruz]

Most players don't decline as bad as Tavares. Stamkos for example is still really good.

Being a bad skater means the decline in the 30s is even more brutal.

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out for how idiotic a comment it truly is.

Tavares is a decent skater, he has always been a decent skater.

At no point was he ever considered a good skater.

The rest of his game is as good as it has ever been.

If you do an analysis of his time in Toronto vs New York, you'll notice that he has been ever so slightly more productive here than he was for the Islanders.

All this doom and gloom is absolutely ridiculous, but at the same time par for the course for idiotic Leaf fans.


There is no sign that Matthews has chronic injuries.

There is no sign that Matthews has lost his scoring touch.

There is a ridiculously low shooting percentage this season and a detailed analysis has to have been done on factors for that.
It could be plain old bad luck, but a sample of 5 games is much easier to explain than a season of 90, however.

What we know is what we have seen over 7 years: phenomenal offensive player, the best goal scorer of his generation by a comfortable margin, excellent defensive player, willing to sacrifice his body come playoff time and do all the dirty little things that go unnoticed by the mundane.

Is he more valuable than Mackinnon and McDavid?

No

Will it be demanded by the players association that he gets paid more than those 2?

Yes.

How much more is the question.

Anything less than 13 and you have to automatically sign it.

The question is term, and it's in everyone's best interest to sign for 8.


Now stop it with the stupidity of whether he should be traded off.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

And probably why I wrote "I don't think Eliots wrong"

Mercenary behaviour is never a good look for an athlete in a team sport.

Good point about the mercenary mentality. I thought it telling that, while Ryan O'Reilly's first comments on Monday were taking personal ownership for the team's failure ("I don't think I created enough"), Matthews' first comments made no mention of the 0 goals and basically looking disinterested against Florida - rather, they were akin to "I'll stay....if they pay me enough". Not a good look indeed.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

I can't wait to watch all of the players we jettisoned achieve success in other organizations. MLSE deserves it.

I don't resent the players. These are young men that know they have a limited window to maximize their incomes. I resent the organization and the management for being a doormat to the League Office.

I wish we were back in the Quinn years, unfortunately I need to grow up.

 

[Gabriel426]

I can't wait to watch all of the players we jettisoned achieve success in other organizations. MLSE deserves it.

I don't resent the players. These are young men that know they have a limited window to maximize their incomes. I resent the organization and the management for being a doormat to the League Office.

I wish we were back in the Quinn years, unfortunately I need to grow up.

Me too. Quinn would have tough on the league for all the non calls and stuff.

 

[Menzinger]

Why do you doubt that?

He's already settled and comfortable in Toronto so I'm sure has no issues staying another year.

If he has his heart set on testing FA then he already knows and is mentally prepared for a big move next year to a destination completely of his choosing.

The last thing you want to do in that situation is uproot your entire life just for a year in the meantime. (Especially when you can't control the destination).

If he knows in the back of his mind he's going to LA or AZ I would absolutely try to prevent a trade anywhere else in the meantime.

Because if your intention is to move on because you dislike playing in a city, it doesn't strike me as an attractive option to stay there for yet another entire season clicking down the clock until you leave. Ask to be traded to the team you'd like to spend the next stage of your career, or ask to be moved to another contender to give yourself a better chance at the cup.

I just don't see the sufficient motivation of the player to actively try and trick management into not making a trade just for the opportunity to tread water and kill time for a whole season.

Which is why I doubt he's trying or will try to do that

 

[Menzinger]

Somebody explain to me why McDavid, Mackinnon, Pasta, Rantanen, etc. sign for 8 years yet Matthews will only entertain 5/6 year deals???

Seems slightly bullshitty to me tbh

The speculated motivation for this reason is that the cap is expected to take a significant jump within the next five years, so a shorter term contract would give him the opportunity to negotiate a final contract for the bulk of his 30s when cap% will put more money in his pocket.

The flip side is the player is giving up 30-40 million to gamble that this indeed happens -which is why although I can actually see a motivation for the team to get a 4-5 year deal, he will ultimately push for an 8 year deal due to the risk of injury ect

 

[therealkoho]

huh? Matthews throws big hits and was throwing his weight in the Tampa series. He demolished Shea Weber not too long ago. People are lapping up the media narrative and this is why reputations stick and never change. We believe what Kypreos is saying instead of watching a game with no media thoughts in mind to confirm our biases

Media narrative, oh my, you don't know old koho do you

I was the first one to call out Dregers bs, when all the little fanboys were chasing him around twitter and somehow believing that GMs were phoning him to float trade ideas through him

I do want to to tell you something young fella so you might want to listen

if you think Kypper isn't in the know, then it's you sadly that's locked into a narrative that came into its own on HoF boards. It's an outgrowth of the weird negativity that's been directed towards SN since they won the NHL broadcast rights. Which to me is the strangest object of mass hysteria I've ever witnessed.

 

[Hellcat]

The offense was not that and that’s very frustrating but no he wasn’t.

And Tkachuk was basically a non factor in the series after game 1

That was one game more than AM and JT. I'd challenge your statement, he was a factor in Game 1 , 2 and 5.

showed up with 0 goals?

Not all zero goals are alike. 16 points in 12 games is kinda good, no?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The speculated motivation for this reason is that the cap is expected to take a significant jump within the next five years, so a shorter term contract would give him the opportunity to negotiate a final contract for.thr bulk of his 30s when cap% will put more money in his pocket.

The flip side is the player is giving up 30-40 million to gamble that this indeed happens -which is why although I can actually see a motivation for the team to get a 4-5 year deal, he will ultimately push for an 8 year deal due to the risk of injury ect

I get why he'd want to re-up in 5 years, the question is why is this greedy twat special that he should get preferential treatment from other elites in the league??

 

[Hellcat]

This is funny seeing Tkachuk was a ghost in the playoffs before round one this year and also didn’t produce in our series after game 1.

16 points in 12 games and you dismiss a player because you think he was not a factor on our series, he was absolutely a factor in game 1,2 and 5. Five points in the five games vs Tor is kinda OK no?

 

[Maplebeasts]

16 points in 12 games and you dismiss a player because you think he was not a factor on our series, he was absolutely a factor in game 1,2 and 5. Five points in the five games vs Tor is kinda OK no?

He had 2 points in the last 4 games of the series, hence the last bit of the post.

 

[therealkoho]

I get why he'd want to re-up in 5 years, the question is why is this greedy twat special that he should get preferential treatment from other elites in the league??

The one thing I've been hearing is the word "deserve" as in player "A deserves" put astronomical number here.

No cup no deserve

Simple

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The one thing I've been hearing is the word "deserve" as in player "A deserves" put astronomical number here.

No cup no deserve

Simple

We're the only team that caters to players like this, it's ridiculous

 

[TheDoldrums]

I said it before, if he only wants to re-sign for 5 years that is a win for the organization. I don't know why anyone would be upset over that. He will be 32 when the next contract starts. The same age Tavares is today and everyone wants him to disappear.

It's way more of a risk for him, especially given his injury history. If I were his agent I'd definitely be pushing for max term.

 

[WillNy29]

That was one game more than AM and JT. I'd challenge your statement, he was a factor in Game 1 , 2 and 5.



Not all zero goals are alike. 16 points in 12 games is kinda good, no?

in that vein 14 points in 11 games is quite good too and we know how we all feel about Marner? outside of Game 1 tkachuk was invisible which makes losing that series even more infuriating.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Eliot Friedman just reported he believes Matthews wants to sign at a medium term at highest cap hit in the league.

Medium term and highest cap hit? Hahaha if that's the case pack your bags

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

Seattle can be proud of their season but they didn't really accomplish that much more than Toronto losing in the second round, just like us… not sure why we would want to do anything they do if it means losing in 7 vs 5…

Imagine a team with mediocre players playing with their hearts played like a good team vs us who were trailing the whole playoffs with 3 super stars.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Eliot Friedman just reported he believes Matthews wants to sign at a medium term at highest cap hit in the league.

f*** him if thats the case, I don't care what he does in the regular season if he's going to pull that shit again.

 

[SprDaVE]

I can't wait to watch all of the players we jettisoned achieve success in other organizations. MLSE deserves it.

I don't resent the players. These are young men that know they have a limited window to maximize their incomes. I resent the organization and the management for being a doormat to the League Office.

I wish we were back in the Quinn years, unfortunately I need to grow up.

I remember the Quinn years quite well. They didn't win cups either and all that without any salary cap in place. They might have won more playoff rounds but always came up short. Players were getting paid a lot for very little success. Muskoka 5 was cultured in the Quinn years.

 

[BallardEra]

I remember the Quinn years quite well. They didn't win cups either and all that without any salary cap in place. They might have won more playoff rounds but always came up short. Players were getting paid a lot for very little success. Muskoka 5 was cultured in the Quinn years.

Man I still remember those FAN590 skits where they'd do the classic Sundin "sigh" from his interviews.

In one of the skits they were at Swiss Chalet with the Muskoka 5 and the server was asking Mats what he wanted to order. He couldn't make up his mind which was a whole play on whether he was staying or going at the trade deadline.

FAN590 had some good ones back then.

 

[sxvnert]

time to trade him to Arizona is now, want a Lindros type deal. we tried it didnt work.

Arizona will want a long term extension before paying a hefty price. Its possible leafs could ask for their 2023 6th and 12th overall and call it a day. IMO Matthews would never bolt from his home town team so long as they pay him.

 

[thewave]

My take on Matthews is he is the best goal scorer we have ever had. I would like to sign him even if it's only for another 4-5 year extension; and I am fine with the up to 13m. I get the sense he is partying a little too much though, maybe heal those wrists up and win another rocket.

 

[Stephen]

I remember the Quinn years quite well. They didn't win cups either and all that without any salary cap in place. They might have won more playoff rounds but always came up short. Players were getting paid a lot for very little success. Muskoka 5 was cultured in the Quinn years.

Those Quinn teams never seemed to have work or culture problem until the Leafs wanted to rebuild and shuffle them all off and they were villainized for being Musoka 5. The Leafs just didn't spend as much as the Red Wings, Stars, Rangers, Flyers and Avalanche pre-cap which resulted in a lower top end talent level. Post cap, they had to gut their team and sign a bunch of crap.

 

[Stephen]

Because if your intention is to move on because you dislike playing in a city, it doesn't strike me as an attractive option to stay there for yet another entire season clicking down the clock until you leave. Ask to be traded to the team you'd like to spend the next stage of your career, or ask to be moved to another contender to give yourself a better chance at the cup.

I just don't see the sufficient motivation of the player to actively try and trick management into not making a trade just for the opportunity to tread water and kill time for a whole season.

Which is why I doubt he's trying or will try to do that

The Matthews leaving scenarios seem so weird in the sense that he's going to lock out the Leafs, mislead them so he can purposefully damage them after his lame duck UFA season. It's like a bad mix of the Kawhi to Los Angeles, with a bit of the residual guilt from what the Leafs and Tavares did to the Islanders.