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Babs will have him make a list of who he thinks is overpaid.He can play with the American version of Mitch Marner, Johnny Gaudreau in Columbus and screw their cap structure,
Babs will have him make a list of who he thinks is overpaid.He can play with the American version of Mitch Marner, Johnny Gaudreau in Columbus and screw their cap structure,
I don't believe MLSE is all that concerned about winning a cup. If it came they would certainly take it and it would be the cherry on top but they are quite content with icing a competitive (relatively) team and having enough star power to sell their jerseys, merchandise etc. This team is actually perfect for their means, likeable, nice boys......very woke.Screw that man. Trade Matthews if he wants that kind of money. There just isn't enough evidence that Matthews can raise his game in the playoffs (7 seasons now). He is also injury prone. Thats too much cap invested in a may be asset IMO
If Matthews isn't willing to sign for Mack money for 8 years he should not be a maple leaf. period!
Ideally Matthews signs for 8 years around the Mack's AAV and we dump Marner before July 1st to round out the roster. If not, then dump Matthews; and re-tool.
Can't bend over backwards to the greed of the players if we want to win the cup. they are free to seek that kind of money from other teams for all i care
Which teams have that kind of capspace and which teams would matthews go to...Sure Columbus can pay him but would he go there?
I agree about the Kings, but the poster was suggesting that pretty much every team in the league would be lining up to pay 34 whatever he wants.Only takes one and I would suggest LA Kings the most logical choice and #1 on Auston's list as its where he was born in California and not too far from his offseason mansion in Arizona.
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Also Kings has Anze Kopitar @$10 mil and Viktor Arvidsson's salary is $4,250,000 are both coming off the books the summer of 2024-25 when Matthews hits free agency.
He would follow the Wayne Gretzky path and head from Canada to California.
Unfortunately real life isn't a video game and you can't have a childish tantrum and sit players over a players contractual right to do what he wants. That would basically salt the soil for any player and this org for a long time.If he’s hell bent on becoming a UFA and won’t agree to a trade, putting him in the press box wouldn’t be out of the question if I was running the show. When he did play it’d 4th line minutes.
Not much positive leverage so you have to get out in front of it in the media and make it about AM and his agent.
likeable you say?I don't believe MLSE is all that concerned about winning a cup. If it came they would certainly take it and it would be the cherry on top but they are quite content with icing a competitive (relatively) team and having enough star power to sell their jerseys, merchandise etc. This team is actually perfect for their means, likeable, nice boys......
Not a chance in hell they can ever win a cup but that doesn't matter. Everybody is making money and MLSE looks great in the eyes of the business world.
In the words of the soup Nazi to the leaf fans " there will be no cup for you".
Matty for Kempe, Byfield and Clarke. Get 'er done.Only takes one and I would suggest LA Kings the most logical choice and #1 on Auston's list as its where he was born in California and not too far from his offseason mansion in Arizona.
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Also Kings has Anze Kopitar @$10 mil and Viktor Arvidsson's salary is $4,250,000 are both coming off the books the summer of 2024-25 when Matthews hits free agency.
He would follow the Wayne Gretzky path and head from Canada to California.
It’s not ideal and that’s why you have to get out in front of it with the media.Unfortunately real life isn't a video game and you can't have a childish tantrum and sit players over a players contractual right to do what he wants. That would basically salt the soil for any player and this org for a long time.
You're not wrong. Leafs have among the highest ticket prices in the NHL and in order to validate those prices they need star players on the roster.I don't believe MLSE is all that concerned about winning a cup. If it came they would certainly take it and it would be the cherry on top but they are quite content with icing a competitive (relatively) team and having enough star power to sell their jerseys, merchandise etc. This team is actually perfect for their means, likeable, nice boys......very woke.
Not a chance in hell they can ever win a cup but that doesn't matter. Everybody is making money and MLSE looks great in the eyes of the business world.
In the words of the soup Nazi to the leaf fans " there will be no cup for you".
You know to the regional Kids (tongue in cheek) ......they're heros didn't you know.likeable you say?
Only takes one and I would suggest LA Kings the most logical choice and #1 on Auston's list as its where he was born in California and not too far from his offseason mansion in Arizona.
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Also Kings has Anze Kopitar @$10 mil and Viktor Arvidsson's salary is $4,250,000 are both coming off the books the summer of 2024-25 when Matthews hits free agency.
He would follow the Wayne Gretzky path and head from Canada to California.
I have no idea what these guys are like outside the rink so I cant talk to that but as players for the TML I went from comparing Marners game when he first started for us to a little like Gretzky and I was over the moon excited with the potential Matthews showed. Now after the losses (the way they lose) and the smug non responsibility answers they give when losing to the over payed entitlement shananigans I could care less if they are showed the door. Each year has gotten harder to root for these guys. Reilly is about the only one I feel gets it out of our core guys.You know to the regional Kids (tongue in cheek) ......they're heros didn't you know.
Not likeable in my eyes!!!!!
I'd say world cup mvp and world player of the year and/or runner up this year, might still be at the top of the game.Messi is going to be the 5th highest earning athlete in North America at 54m per year.
He is also part owner of the team.
The deal will include an agreement with Apple for rights.
Messi has earned nearly $1billion, so it's hardly fair to compare that to NHL players.
Lastly, Messi is nowhere close to being at the top of the game.
He was a major disappointment when he left Barcelona, and never had any modicum of club success in France (the only place he played outside of Barca).
The biggest claim to success outside of Barcelona is the Copa America where he rode shotgun to DiMaria and the World Cup where he scored 6 goals in 7 games.
It helps when your team is awarded 5 penalties in those same 7 games though......
He did score a beaut and had an amazing assist, but all in all, DiMaria was still the driving force of the team.
All that to say Messi turned down s significant sum of money, sure, but he will still be extremely well taken care of.
Agreed, my post was intended to be froth with sarcasm. If only MLSE would see it as real hockey people do. These two know they run the roost and therefore will call the shots with contracts. Therefore and I hate to use this word they are cancers. The rest of the team (lower level players) will not have their back in a game. Other teams (like Stamkos) will chop and punch at them without repercussions. No player making 800k will go to their defense when they gouged them of their piece of the pie. Can't blame them either, why should MM and AM make all the money and other players make all the sacrifices.I have no idea what these guys are like outside the rink so I cant talk to that but as players for the TML I went from comparing Marners game when he first started for us to a little like Gretzky and I was over the moon excited with the potential Matthews showed. Now after the losses (the way they lose) and the smug non responsibility answers they give when losing to the over payed entitlement shananigans I could care less if they are showed the door. Each year has gotten harder to root for these guys. Reilly is about the only one I feel gets it out of our core guys.
why stop there? he should just take $850,000 over 8 years!Matthews should take 10 million over 5 years, if he cares about winning. He already has 5 houses paid for and 50 million in the bank. His ego is the reason he wants 13 plus on his deal.
13.75 is a bit too high for my liking. Leafs should push for lower based on the relatively static cap, his current cap %, and all the July 1 bonuses that will no doubt be offered.Based on EF reporting the terms for Matthews is 8x13.75. While that isn’t outrageous he certainly hasn’t earned that and I think it doesn’t set a good precedent for the rest of the team especially if we trying to reset the mindset if this franchise.
I have said it before and I will say it again 12.7 should be the absolute maximum we pay him X 8 years. It sets the cultural shift in buying into a team concept and not about just getting paid.
But doing so it give Treliving the flexibility to add to this team and resign those who will be coming due.
What player of his calibre in his prime takes less on his next deal?Matthews should take 10 million over 5 years, if he cares about winning. He already has 5 houses paid for and 50 million in the bank. His ego is the reason he wants 13 plus on his deal.
Worst-case scenario is Matthews does not re-sign, tells the Leafs he plans to explore the 2024 UFA market, and vetoes any trade possibility.We've virtually have lost all power. If he says he won't sign with any team and wants to become a UFA, what team will give you close to market value for him ?? Tre could be in a worse position with Matty than he was with Tkachuk. All thanks to Shanny and Dummy.
The purse strings are certainly being pulled from above by MLSE that must be willing to pay the contract, so they must have some input into budgeting for such a large expense including term, amount and signing bonus structure etc.. If they said the buck stops here and they're not paying him more than McDavid then that sets the financial table for restrictions for the GM.,The contract will be completely on Treliving.
Unless his strings are being pulled from above.
Its the former GM that failed to get the 8 years terms on the previous deal with 4 cheaper RFA cost controllable years at above UFA prices $11.6 mil that set the base price for the next contract, and also provided the NMC that gives all the leverage to the player to use to elevate his asking price to stay against fear of loss to the organization without return. So that sets the table for base price only thing left to negotiate is the amount of the raise by the new GM.
So I guess we could say the next contract is completely all on the GM for accountability, as long as its a give and understood the only real say he has is amount of the raise on this deal (up to MLSE upper limit) as everything else has already been predetermined even before he was hired .
It would be unrealistic to judge the new GM claiming he didn't get Auston to sign a good contract of say 5 years at $10.5 mil take it or leave it, because he isn't starting from a clean slate but rather inherited issues and predetermined restrictions and limited choices.
I will as well but I'm also able accept that inheriting 3 kids on ELC and signing them to their current deals and adding an $11 mil UFA, is different starting point then inheriting 3 X $11 mil players and told they're all staying and deal with it, in your next round of contract talks.I am holding Treliving accountable for what he does.
He doesn't have to offer a bad contract.
Unless of course he is just a replacement puppet, in which case neither he nor Dubas can be held accountable.
Can't have it both ways.
You never answered the question...I get it ...you hate Shanny and blame him for everything. You have already declared the leafs are screwed and Treliving is a puppet ... apparently Dubas wasnt the gm here the last 5 yrs...he was just a cut out who did nothing and made no decisions whatsoever. Curious....did you think the tdl moves were good this year? And who do you give credit to? Or is everything leaf related doom and gloom and everyone is incompetent at all times?
As far as Shanny sticking with Dubas too long. 5 yrs is about what gms get to show they can get things done. Personally I could see the issues the leafs had growing with each year but at the same time I kind of understand why they ran it back and believed they were close. After this latest playoffs my hope is they move in a different direction. Time will tell.
Im not even saying Im a Shanny fan. If they run it back and fail again with the new pieces surrounding the core I will be on the fire Shanny bandwagon. It just seems as though you have an agenda...every thread is about Shanny pullling all the strings all the time and what a loser he is and what a loser Tre is and what a loser Tanenbam is etc.
That would be terrible asset management but Im coming to the place where I dont care. Let him run out his last year and leave. If he were to do that then good riddance, we are better off without him and can use that 13-15 milly for players who want to be here. F**k him.
Shanny is also at fault, but dubas was the main culprit.
I've never seen a gm get a pass and the blame put on the president. That's not how it works.
The gm makes the trades and is responsible for signing players and staff. Not the president.
But I do believe that shanny should be gone. The guy gave dubas the team at the worst time. To top it off, he even wanted to give dubas another contract! Hes been here for like 9 years with 1 series win. Not sure how hes survived this long.