News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[frizzer1]

Seems to me that if matthews thinks that his wrist will be back to normal he would want a shorter deal. And then could get top dollar on his next deal.
If his wrist problem is chronic he would take the 8 years because without that lethal wrister his value would go down and after the shorter deal he wouldn’t get top dollar.
Jmo.

 

[egd27]

Doesnt work unless you get a comparable asset

define "comparable"

 

[Leaf Fans]

Seems to me that if matthews thinks that his wrist will be back to normal he would want a shorter deal. And then could get top dollar on his next deal.
If his wrist problem is chronic he would take the 8 years because without that lethal wrister his value would go down and after the shorter deal he wouldn’t get top dollar.
Jmo.

Whatever screws over the Leafs.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Im getting to the place that if we are just gonna run it back anyways and if the 3 amigos are going for max dollars then lets just play this out to the end and let the contracts of all 4 core players run out....let em walk if they want and rebuild with all the cap space. Its a gamble on their part as well if they get injured or have a bad year etc. You wanna bet on yourself, great do that then.

My first option would be to jettison them out of here ASAP but it doesnt look like thats gonna happen.

Why let them walk for free when you can boot them out AND get some serious assets for them in a trade?

 

[Stamkos4life]

A goal scoring centre is a much rarer player than a playmaking one.

Then one should also considers the comparable goal scorers are often wingers like Pasta or Ovie who have to carry a fraction of the defensive responsibility of a centre like Matthews.

Rarer does not mean more valuable.

Ovi also had to carry the responsibility of being captain and a physical beast.

Ovi also had 13 more goals than 2nd place compared to matthews 5.

The fact is that ovis best season is better than matthews' despite what the other poster said.

 

[Stamkos4life]

In what world do assists > goals?

Goals are the be all end all. I could potentially see a case made for primary assists but definitely not secondary assists, they're next to nothing.

Players who drive play are more valuable than players who don't. Matthews is a phenomenal finisher. But he's not the same calibre as the players who produce far more than him.

Besides, mack had more goals this year in less games. Nathan is also much better in the playoffs.

 

[BallardEra]

"If Matthews re-signs, it can be anywhere from three to eight seasons and likely put him in the NHL’s highest pay bracket, the $14-million to $15-million range. But hard numbers are still to be exchanged in the coming days, assuming the optimism generated by the past week continues."

Auston Matthews-Brad Treliving meeting cautiously optimistic start for new Maple Leafs deal

Auston Matthews, agent Judd Moldaver and new Leaf GM Brad Treliving have initiated contract talks to get the Leaf star signed long term.

torontosun.com

 

[pcruz]

The mind reels, Messi turned down 400 million a year to play in the MLS for who knows maybe around 10 million per year. Money definitely is not motivating Messi, come on Mathews rip a page out of that book and take note.

Messi is going to be the 5th highest earning athlete in North America at 54m per year.
He is also part owner of the team.
The deal will include an agreement with Apple for rights.

Messi has earned nearly $1billion, so it's hardly fair to compare that to NHL players.

Lastly, Messi is nowhere close to being at the top of the game.
He was a major disappointment when he left Barcelona, and never had any modicum of club success in France (the only place he played outside of Barca).

The biggest claim to success outside of Barcelona is the Copa America where he rode shotgun to DiMaria and the World Cup where he scored 6 goals in 7 games.

It helps when your team is awarded 5 penalties in those same 7 games though......

He did score a beaut and had an amazing assist, but all in all, DiMaria was still the driving force of the team.


All that to say Messi turned down s significant sum of money, sure, but he will still be extremely well taken care of.

 

[Gabriel426]

I would say the MLS deal with Messi is better than the one season deal with the MiddleEastern Club

Messi is going to be the 5th highest earning athlete in North America at 54m per year.
He is also part owner of the team.
The deal will include an agreement with Apple for rights.

Messi has earned nearly $1billion, so it's hardly fair to compare that to NHL players.

Lastly, Messi is nowhere close to being at the top of the game.
He was a major disappointment when he left Barcelona, and never had any modicum of club success in France (the only place he played outside of Barca).

The biggest claim to success outside of Barcelona is the Copa America where he rode shotgun to DiMaria and the World Cup where he scored 6 goals in 7 games.

It helps when your team is awarded 5 penalties in those same 7 games though......

He did score a beaut and had an amazing assist, but all in all, DiMaria was still the driving force of the team.


All that to say Messi turned down s significant sum of money, sure, but he will still be extremely well taken care of.

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[Funk21]

Based on EF reporting the terms for Matthews is 8x13.75. While that isn’t outrageous he certainly hasn’t earned that and I think it doesn’t set a good precedent for the rest of the team especially if we trying to reset the mindset if this franchise.

I have said it before and I will say it again 12.7 should be the absolute maximum we pay him X 8 years. It sets the cultural shift in buying into a team concept and not about just getting paid.

But doing so it give Treliving the flexibility to add to this team and resign those who will be coming due.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Based on EF reporting the terms for Matthews is 8x13.75. While that isn’t outrageous he certainly hasn’t earned that and I think it doesn’t set a good precedent for the rest of the team especially if we trying to reset the mindset if this franchise.

I have said it before and I will say it again 12.7 should be the absolute maximum we pay him X 8 years. It sets the cultural shift in buying into a team concept and not about just getting paid.

But doing so it give Treliving the flexibility to add to this team and resign those who will be coming due.

12.5 or 12.6 x 8 would be a massive culture shift. It would show he doesn't even care about having the biggest contract. If not, 12.7 would suffice and still give a positive message to the group.

But we all know he's going to have his eyes set on a number closer to 14.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Messi is going to be the 5th highest earning athlete in North America at 54m per year.
He is also part owner of the team.
The deal will include an agreement with Apple for rights.

Messi has earned nearly $1billion, so it's hardly fair to compare that to NHL players.

Lastly, Messi is nowhere close to being at the top of the game.
He was a major disappointment when he left Barcelona, and never had any modicum of club success in France (the only place he played outside of Barca).

The biggest claim to success outside of Barcelona is the Copa America where he rode shotgun to DiMaria and the World Cup where he scored 6 goals in 7 games.

It helps when your team is awarded 5 penalties in those same 7 games though......

He did score a beaut and had an amazing assist, but all in all, DiMaria was still the driving force of the team.


All that to say Messi turned down s significant sum of money, sure, but he will still be extremely well taken care of.

Yea the deal is astronomical, he can probably earn more in the MLS then the Saudi league deal.

The deal includes:
-% of Apple Tv Revenue from new users
-% of Adidas Messi jersey sales
-Minority Ownership in Inter Miami
-54 million for three seasons (36-39 year old seasons)

As for the second part disappointment is only because he is "Messi". Guy still has the 3rd most G+A in europe at 36, has 27 goal contributions in his last 14 international games, won 2 french cups, led argentina to a Copa America/Finalissima/World Cup winning best player in all 3, won countless awards....

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But to keep this thread on track, I think the Matthews number should be around 13 x 6.

 

[Gabriel426]

I really don't understand why AM deserves to be the highest paid player in the league.
I don't even think he is the best player in the division.
It is time to tell AM that he is not the best player in the league and at best he is top 5(McD, Drai, Kuch, Mack and him-thats debatable). But all the other 4 players in the Top 5 either won a Cup or won rounds in the playoffs.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Matthews should take 10 million over 5 years, if he cares about winning. He already has 5 houses paid for and 50 million in the bank. His ego is the reason he wants 13 plus on his deal.

 

[LaPlante94]

Yea the deal is astronomical, he can probably earn more in the MLS then the Saudi league deal.

The deal includes:
-% of Apple Tv Revenue from new users
-% of Adidas Messi jersey sales
-Minority Ownership in Inter Miami
-54 million for three seasons (36-39 year old seasons)

As for the second part disappointment is only because he is "Messi". Guy still has the 3rd most G+A in europe at 36, has 27 goal contributions in his last 14 international games, won 2 french cups, led argentina to a Copa America/Finalissima/World Cup winning best player in all 3, won countless awards....

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But to keep this thread on track, I think the Matthews number should be around 13 x 6.

Knowing Ronaldo he'll sign a deal with the new expansion team in San Diego since they'll be arriving in the league when his contract in Saudi Arabia ends and get just as good of a contract as this and maybe even better to play 1 more season before retiring.

Back to the thread and your Matthews comment, if they can't get him to commit to 8 years after we've given him everything he's wanted already then somebody needs to slap him and his agent.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I guess.....even if they all take team friendly deals is that gonna change anything regarding the way they play? What Im hearing is yea lets sign all of them and run it back. Is money the only consideration when thnking about keeping the band together or not?


What are you even talking about? You keep saying Shanny in every post like he made every decision at all times. Where was Dubas when all this was going on?

Did Dubas say those things?

No.

It was Shanahan. Those were his words. So he gets quoted.

Dubas is gone.

Who hired Dubas and kept him around so long anyway? Why blame Dubas when Shanahan was the one the one that presided over it all? There is plenty of blame to go around for this failed hockey team, and as POHO, Shanahan deserves the most.

Can't fire the owners.
Can't fire the players.
And the GM is already gone.

That leaves Shanahan. He's the POHO, and it was his Shanaplan. The buck stops there, with him.

 

[Niagara Bill]

4 days left for a deal to be worked out before Treliving MUST start trade talks for AM. July 1, we lose all power.
We cannot lose him for nothing next summer and we cannot over pay. Better a 3 or 5 yrs than 8. If his trend is downward as shown last year we don't want him for 8 yrs.

 

[BertCorbeau]

4 days left for a deal to be worked out before Treliving MUST start trade talks for AM. July 1, we lose all power.
We cannot lose him for nothing next summer and we cannot over pay. Better a 3 or 5 yrs than 8. If his trend is downward as shown last year we don't want him for 8 yrs.

They can’t work a deal out until July 1st

 

[TheDoldrums]

They can't officially sign before July 1 but they can absolutely agree to a deal in principle. Rasmus Dahlin has done just that, we know he'll be signing for 8 years, ~10M a year.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I’m afraid Matthews promises to sign but wants to see the direction of the team and surrounding cast before he commits to term/aav. This drags out until mid season and I can’t unclench when the time comes.

 

[ToneDog]

4 days left for a deal to be worked out before Treliving MUST start trade talks for AM. July 1, we lose all power.
We cannot lose him for nothing next summer and we cannot over pay. Better a 3 or 5 yrs than 8. If his trend is downward as shown last year we don't want him for 8 yrs.

We've virtually have lost all power. If he says he won't sign with any team and wants to become a UFA, what team will give you close to market value for him ?? Tre could be in a worse position with Matty than he was with Tkachuk. All thanks to Shanny and Dummy.

 

[egd27]

We've virtually have lost all power. If he says he won't sign with any team and wants to become a UFA, what team will give you close to market value for him ?? Tre could be in a worse position with Matty than he was with Tkachuk. All thanks to Shanny and Dummy.

This seems to be lost on so many.

 

[Sypher04]

We've virtually have lost all power. If he says he won't sign with any team and wants to become a UFA, what team will give you close to market value for him ?? Tre could be in a worse position with Matty than he was with Tkachuk. All thanks to Shanny and Dummy.

This is true for every pending UFA ever. Right now there is no reason to believe Matthews will screw us like that (even thought he’s within his rights) other than fearmongering

Also teams would still line up for him as they’d want the opportunity to convince him their program is the fit for him and that’s easier to do over a year than a 1-5 day sweepstakes

 

[ToneDog]

This is true for many/most pending UFAs. Right now there is no reason to believe Matthews will screw us like that (even thought he’s within his rights) other than fearmongering

Also teams would still line up for him as they’d want the opportunity to convince him their program is the fit for him and that’s easier to do over a heard than a 1-5 day sweepstakes

Agreed. Only putting it out there because Niagara said we lose all leverage after July 1st.

 

[Trapper]

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I’m fine with a 5 year deal. 7 is also good, doesn’t need to be 8.
Sign Matthews for 13 x 5/7 and trade Marner for Keller (it’s been discussed here, also on a 5 year deal). Matthews at 13 + Keller 7 = 20 million for the next 5 years.
Knies 925 - Matthews 13 - Keller 7.1
Line 1 done.

The 4 million from Marner to Keller you saved can be added on a 2 million increase for Nylander. Leaving 2 million to add on the Muzzin LTIR for D upgrades.
Throw Matt Murray in the deal as well.
That’s how you manage the Cap. Change the Dubas overpay to come back in line.