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Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

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Leaf fans all across the world have something pretty cool to cheer for right now. Being one of the most loyal (and delusional) fanbases, they do deserve it. Paying for over-priced tickets, jerseys and hot dogs, it's about time they are given some real excitement.

Im rooting for Mathews to score 70. Even if he doesn't its already massive accomplishment.

Im sure he has captured the attention of a lot of NHL/other team fanbases too. It's always fun when our favorite sport has a player going for something huge.
 
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And with that he's done it. Matthews is now tied with Ovi in raw single-season totals(65), only behind when adjusted by scoring rates, ahead when adjusted by ice time, and ahead when adjusted by both scoring rates and ice time:
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]

[TD]
Year​
[/TD]

[TD]ESG[/TD]
[TD]PPG[/TD]
[TD]SHG[/TD]
[TD]Tot[/TD]
[TD]G/Gm[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]23-24[/TD]

[TD]
48​
[/TD]

[TD]
17​
[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]
65​
[/TD]

[TD]0.855[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]McDavid[/TD]
[TD]22-23[/TD]
[TD]37.6[/TD]
[TD]17.4[/TD]

[TD]
2.2​
[/TD]

[TD]57.2[/TD]
[TD]0.698[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pastrnak[/TD]
[TD]22-23[/TD]
[TD]45.5[/TD]
[TD]15.3[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]60.7[/TD]
[TD]0.741[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]21-22[/TD]
[TD]41.2[/TD]
[TD]18.6[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]59.8[/TD]
[TD]0.819[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stamkos[/TD]
[TD]11-12[/TD]
[TD]53.7[/TD]

[TD]
8.8​
[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]62.5[/TD]
[TD]0.762[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ovechkin[/TD]
[TD]07-08[/TD]
[TD]53.5[/TD]
[TD]11.0[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]64.5[/TD]
[TD]0.787[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bure[/TD]
[TD]00-01[/TD]
[TD]44.1[/TD]
[TD]10.9[/TD]

[TD]
1.9​
[/TD]

[TD]56.8[/TD]
[TD]0.693[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bure[/TD]
[TD]99-00[/TD]
[TD]51.8[/TD]

[TD]
8.3​
[/TD]

[TD]
0.7​
[/TD]

[TD]60.8[/TD]
[TD]0.821[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
TheStatican said:
And with that he's done it. Matthews is now tied with Ovi in raw single-season totals(65), only behind when adjusted by scoring rates, ahead when adjusted by ice time, and ahead when adjusted by both scoring rates and ice time:
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]

[TD]
Year​
[/TD]

[TD]ESG[/TD]
[TD]PPG[/TD]
[TD]SHG[/TD]
[TD]Tot[/TD]
[TD]G/Gm[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]23-24[/TD]

[TD]
48​
[/TD]

[TD]
17​
[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]
65​
[/TD]

[TD]0.855[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]McDavid[/TD]
[TD]22-23[/TD]
[TD]37.6[/TD]
[TD]17.4[/TD]

[TD]
2.2​
[/TD]

[TD]57.2[/TD]
[TD]0.698[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pastrnak[/TD]
[TD]22-23[/TD]
[TD]45.5[/TD]
[TD]15.3[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]60.7[/TD]
[TD]0.741[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthews[/TD]
[TD]21-22[/TD]
[TD]41.2[/TD]
[TD]18.6[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]59.8[/TD]
[TD]0.819[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stamkos[/TD]
[TD]11-12[/TD]
[TD]53.7[/TD]

[TD]
8.8​
[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]62.5[/TD]
[TD]0.762[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ovechkin[/TD]
[TD]07-08[/TD]
[TD]53.5[/TD]
[TD]11.0[/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]

[TD]64.5[/TD]
[TD]0.787[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bure[/TD]
[TD]00-01[/TD]
[TD]44.1[/TD]
[TD]10.9[/TD]

[TD]
1.9​
[/TD]

[TD]56.8[/TD]
[TD]0.693[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bure[/TD]
[TD]99-00[/TD]
[TD]51.8[/TD]

[TD]
8.3​
[/TD]

[TD]
0.7​
[/TD]

[TD]60.8[/TD]
[TD]0.821[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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That ice time stat is too flawed to even touch with a ten foot pole. Looks like he’s behind when adjusted for scoring, which was expected. Cool to see him hit 65, even if it’s in an easier era. Hope to see him hit 70.
 
This man should win the Hart, he's not going to but he's playing at a higher level then he was when he did when he did win the Hart, he's got more goals and he's probably going to have more points.
 
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ToDavid said:
If he gets to 70 I think he’ll make it interesting.

Probably going to be one of the most even ballots in recent history. It feels like there’s usually a guy, or maybe two guys who run away with it by the end of the year. I think we’ll see all four of them get a handful of 1st place votes.
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91/92, Hull had 70 goals and #2 had 54. Hull had 109 pts and Lemieux lead the league with 131….so less of a gap vs this year. Hull was 4th in pts. He finished 3rd in Hart voting. Interestingly enough, Lemieux finished 5th in voting. Messier won it in a landslide.
 
MacMacandBarbie said:
That ice time stat is too flawed to even touch with a ten foot pole. Looks like he’s behind when adjusted for scoring, which was expected. Cool to see him hit 65, even if it’s in an easier era. Hope to see him hit 70.
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So ice time which is directly related to Matthews and Ovi, vs total scoring which is a product of every player in the league, isn’t as valid somehow? Interesting.

Neither will tell the whole story but I find it absolutely hilarious how people will pick random stats to make their guy look better but ignore the rest.
 
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Madap said:
So ice time which is directly related to Matthews and Ovi, vs total scoring which is a product of every player in the league, isn’t as valid somehow? Interesting.

Neither will tell the whole story but I find it absolutely hilarious how people will pick random stats to make their guy look better but ignore the rest.
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The ice time is only related to Matthews, where as the scoring environment applies to everyone in the league. The ice time stat is useless, while the scoring environment stat has some value.
 
The Podium said:
The problem is, with the season McDavid Makinnon and Kucherov are having they may split votes. Matthews is the only one doing something the rest of them are not.
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It's also not like goals are the only thing he has over them, he's pretty comfortably better defensively as well, especially over Kucherov.

MacMacandBarbie said:
The ice time is only related to Matthews, where as the scoring environment applies to everyone in the league. The ice time stat is useless, while the scoring environment stat has some value.
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It's related to Matthews and Ovechkin, the two players being compared.
 
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authentic said:
It's also not like goals are the only thing he has over them, he's pretty comfortably better defensively as well, especially over Kucherov.



It's related to Matthews and Ovechkin, the two players being compared.
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Kucherov is an abysmal defensive player, and at even strength, a huge liability on the ice.

authentic said:
I don't get why people are still going on like he didn't score 4 goals in 6 games as a rookie against Holtby and the president's trophy winning Capitals, who won the Cup the very next season, scored 5 goals in 7 games against Boston and matched up against Bergeron quite often (actually outscored Bergeron on the ice head to head), more goals and points than anyone on Tampa in both series they played, 4 goals and 9 points in 7 games against good Vasilevskiy and 5 goals and 9 points in 6 games against crappy Vasilevskiy, all while playing elite defense on top against Tampa.
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Because those same people were the ones to claim Matthews wasn't a 50 goal scorer or 60 goal scorer after only doing it once. Their reasoning was that "anyone can do it once as a fluke".

If he led his team to a championship, these same people would still deride it as a fluke thing that really was not merited.

There are too many idiotic people out there to actually care about their opinions - they're worthless anyway.
 
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MacMacandBarbie said:
The ice time is only related to Matthews, where as the scoring environment applies to everyone in the league. The ice time stat is useless, while the scoring environment stat has some value.
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I actually have no clue what the point you’re trying to make is.

Of course ice time is related to both Ovi and Matthews, who are being compared. Scoring environment applies to everyone, sure, but certainly not evenly. How much of the increase is is due to 3rd/4th line plugs being phased out of the league? Or a switch to higher scoring defencemen? You can’t just dismiss one stat because you feel like it.
 
34 said:
Matthews deserves it over them. Goals are way more exciting and important.
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I would give it to Kucherov this year, some of the assists this guy is getting are basically the same thing as scoring a goal, he might be the best playmaker in the league. He's like what 50+ points ahead of his closest teammate ? And dominates the puck whenever he's on the ice. If Matthews had like 10-15 ish more assists I think he would win it, there's just too much of a point difference between him and Kucherov.

Also the Hart is MVP to his team. With how big of a gap there is between Kuch and the next Lightning player, it's hard not to give it to him. It's between him and McDavid for me, but if the season ended today I have Kucherov slightly ahead.
 
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Rants Mulliniks said:
PP time when OV did it?


What exactly is the point of era adjusting?
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The point of era adjusting seems to be to prop up Crosby and Ovechkin and pull everyone else down

They don’t realize that hockey was amazing before and amazing again, and the outlier happens to be their favorite era

They can’t admit that the hockey was dog shit for 15-20 years and is just starting to heal
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
This man should win the Hart, he's not going to but he's playing at a higher level then he was when he did when he did win the Hart, he's got more goals and he's probably going to have more points.
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He's not really playing at a higher level than he did in 2022 at all.

In 2022 he had a dominant goalscoring year, was a decent bit behind McDavid in points, and only a small gap behind 2-5th in points. In points/gp, he was only a tiny bit behind #1 and #2.

In 2024 now, he's having a bit more of a dominant goalscoring year, yes. But he's also now being completely outclassed by 3 guys in both points and points/gp. Essentially, even without considering the big-3 right now, Panarin (4th in both points and points/gp) has the same point dominance over Matthews that McDavid did in 2022.

2022 - pointsvs Matthews2022 - p/gpvs Matthews
1​
123​
16%​
1​
1.54
6%​
2​
115​
8%​
2​
1.47
1%​
3​
115​
8%​
Matthews1.45
4​
110​
4%​
5​
108​
2%​
Matthews
106​

2024 - pointsvs Matthews2022 - p/gpvs Matthews
1​
136​
33%​
1​
1.79
33%​
2​
133​
30%​
2​
1.76
31%​
3​
130​
27%​
3​
1.71
27%​
4​
115​
13%​
4​
1.47
10%​
5​
107​
5%​
5​
1.37
2%​
Matthews
102​
Matthews1.34
 
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