Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[Rants Mulliniks]

Between 2005-2006 and 2018-2019 (14 seasons, 1 which was a shortened season) there were 22 total 50-goal seasons. 8 of those were Ovechkin. The entire league outside of Ovechkin averaged one 50-goal season per year for those 14 years.

Between 2021-2024 (3 seasons) there has been 12 total 50-goal seasons, 2 of those were Matthews. MacK, Pasta and Panarin might add to that number this year if they get hot in the last few games.

So between 10-13x 50-goal seasons outside of Matthews in 3 years compared to 14x 50-goal seasons outside of Ovechkin in 14 years.

This isn't opinion or speculation, scoring is massively up right now and 50-goal seasons are way more common than they were before.

Sorry, scoring right now isn’t close to peak.

I literally just showed you factual evidence as to how much scoring has increased.

I'm not saying it's increased 50%. But to act like 10-15% is not worth some consideration is completely ignorant.

Now try comparing it to before.

 

[BTO]

I don't understand these constant pissing matches (well of course I do understand them lol, but it's tedious nonetheless): I'm a Bruins fan and hate the leafs and Matthews, Marner, Nylander et al., but Matthews is the only current player with multiple 60-goal seasons and still has a shot at 70 (or more than 65 anyway). Who cares if it's better than OV's 65-goal season or about any other "era-adjusted" stats. It's impressive. Full stop. And I'm a Bruins fan.

Last year Pastrnak had 61-goals and I wasn't on here arguing that "era-adjusted" it would have been 66 or whatever. It was 61. Pretty good I'd say. And McD's 64 was better. And Matthew's 65 or 66 or whatever will be better than both. But I still hope he doesn't get 70. I do still "hate" him after all (But I was hoping for 66 and 156, or 70 and 160 for McD because I actually like him.)

Edit: I guess that “era-adjusted” Pasta’s would actually have been less lol. But see, Pasta had 61 goals, not “era-adjusted” 58 goals or whatever. It’s a meaningless “stat”. He had 61 goals. Full stop. It’s easy when you just count be actual #s lol.

 

[Incognito]

I've read a thousand posts on Matthews and his great scoring skills and feats.
Have not read one that included play offs.

You’re mistaken. Many people, including myself, have posted about the need for Matthews to up his game in the postseason.

 

[PaulD]

You’re mistaken. Many people, including myself, have posted about the need for Matthews to up his game in the postseason.

Yes that's one way to put it.
I was responding the greatest of all time scorers claim coming from many ( not all) leafers and Torinto based talking heads .
Until he scores like an elite scorer in the play offs biggest games .....he is not in the same category as OV , Stamps, McDavid, Draisaitl, and so on.
Plays off results matter when you are talking about GOATS.

 

[Acallabeth]

Who cares if it's better than OV's 65-goal season or about any other "era-adjusted" stats. It's impressive. Full stop.

We could stop at that, but the Leafs players are quick to proclaim that Matthews is the greatest goal scorer the league has ever seen and a future 1000+ goal scorer, which inevitably leads to some heated debate as these claims may be a little bit premature.

 

[umma gumma]

I don't understand these constant pissing matches (well of course I do understand them lol, but it's tedious nonetheless): I'm a Bruins fan and hate the leafs and Matthews, Marner, Nylander et al., but Matthews is the only current player with multiple 60-goal seasons and still has a shot at 70 (or more than 65 anyway). Who cares if it's better than OV's 65-goal season or about any other "era-adjusted" stats. It's impressive. Full stop. And I'm a Bruins fan.
Last year Pastrnak had 61-goals and I wasn't on here arguing that "era-adjusted" it would have been 66 or whatever. It was 61. Pretty good I'd say. And McD's 64 was better. And Matthew's 65 or 66 or whatever will be better than both. But I still hope he doesn't get 70. I do still "hate" him after all (But I was hoping for 66 and 156, or 70 and 160 for McD because I actually like him.)

You have no soul.

 

[TheFinalWord]

Yes that's one way to put it.
I was responding the greatest of all time scorers claim coming from many ( not all) leafers and Torinto based talking heads .
Until he scores like an elite scorer in the play offs biggest games .....he is not in the same category as OV , Stamps, McDavid, Draisaitl, and so on.
Plays off results matter when you are talking about GOATS.

The hate is strong with you. I guess it's good that Matthews career isn't over yet.

 

[The Podium]

Yes that's one way to put it.
I was responding the greatest of all time scorers claim coming from many ( not all) leafers and Torinto based talking heads .
Until he scores like an elite scorer in the play offs biggest games .....he is not in the same category as OV , Stamps, McDavid, Draisaitl, and so on.
Plays off results matter when you are talking about GOATS.

McDavid and Draisaitl haven’t won shit and Matthews has scored at a higher goal per game and point per game clip than Stamkos in the playoffs and is 0.04 goals per game fewer than Ovechkin.

 

[Regal]

Yes that's one way to put it.
I was responding the greatest of all time scorers claim coming from many ( not all) leafers and Torinto based talking heads .
Until he scores like an elite scorer in the play offs biggest games .....he is not in the same category as OV , Stamps, McDavid, Draisaitl, and so on.
Plays off results matter when you are talking about GOATS.

Is that Stamkos? His playoff production isn’t very good though, and is a sore spot in terms of his all time ranking as a goal scorer

 

[authentic]

Meh. Scoring is at a crazy level, 60 today is like 50 ten years ago.

So dominating on the same level as Ovechkin's 65 goal season, which has been widely considered among if not arguably the best goal scoring season of all-time, is simply just meh? Some people are tough to please.

 

[PaulD]

McDavid and Draisaitl haven’t won shit and Matthews has scored at a higher goal per game and point per game clip than Stamkos in the playoffs and is 0.04 goals per game fewer than Ovechkin.

I'm talking scoring goals.
I never mentioned how Matthews Draisaitl and McDavid haven't won shit.
But 2 of those 3 have scored at good clip in play offs. Their stats don't nose dive.

 

[authentic]

I think he for sure has a question mark beside his name. His numbers have gone down in the playoffs more than any other current star. Everyone’s stats do to some extent, but in comparison to his peers his are worse. Not to mention they continue to make goalies look like prime Hasek every year. That’s a problem in itself.

But at the same time, we also can’t pretend he’s still ~20th in active player p/pg. That’s not nearly terrible, it’s just not what we’re used to seeing in the regular season. There have been playoff series that he was outright dominant and doesn’t have the points to back up just how good he was. The montreal series is a good example of that.

Go look at Kucherov’s game 7 stats. They’re horrid too. It’s a talking point you’re running with, because as you admit, you don’t watch the leafs in the playoffs.

I don't get why people are still going on like he didn't score 4 goals in 6 games as a rookie against Holtby and the president's trophy winning Capitals, who won the Cup the very next season, scored 5 goals in 7 games against Boston and matched up against Bergeron quite often (actually outscored Bergeron on the ice head to head), more goals and points than anyone on Tampa in both series they played, 4 goals and 9 points in 7 games against good Vasilevskiy and 5 goals and 9 points in 6 games against crappy Vasilevskiy, all while playing elite defense on top against Tampa.

 

[The Podium]

I'm talking scoring goals.
I never mentioned how Matthews Draisaitl and McDavid haven't won shit.
But 2 of those 3 have scored at good clip in play offs. Their stats don't nose dive.

You didn’t acknowledge that Matthews has scored at a higher rate (both goals and points) than Stamkos and is scoring 0.04 goals less per game (1 goal every 25 games) than Ovechkin in the playoffs

 

[authentic]

Is that Stamkos? His playoff production isn’t very good though, and is a sore spot in terms of his all time ranking as a goal scorer

Yeah Matthews has been twice as good as Stamkos has in the playoffs, can't remember a single series Stamkos has had that he played the way Matthews has against Tampa, especially when you bring defense into the equation.

 

[Regal]

You didn’t acknowledge that Matthews has scored at a higher rate (both goals and points) than Stamkos and is scoring 0.04 goals less per game (1 goal every 25 games) than Ovechkin in the playoffs

Playoff scoring rates have gone up though. Need to take that into account with Ovechkin who has certainly had higher highs than Matthews in the playoffs so far imo. Stamkos is a playoff dud though

 

[PaulD]

You didn’t acknowledge that Matthews has scored at a higher rate (both goals and points) than Stamkos and is scoring 0.04 goals less per game than Ovechkin.

Your right. Was just checking.
Stamps 123 game 45 goals
Matthews 50 games 22 goals.
OV I mentioned that it took him a long time to stop choking in play offs. But he did finally shake it and won a con Smythe and score some big goals along the way.
I believe Matthews will lose the play off choker handle before his career is up too. But until he does, no he's not legit in the conversation for the GOAT snipers.

 

[PaulD]

Playoff scoring rates have gone up though. Need to take that into account with Ovechkin who has certainly had higher highs than Matthews in the playoffs so far imo. Stamkos is a playoff dud though

like Matthew's. both averaging under half goal a game

 

[BlueAzN]

I'd still trade him for McJesus

 

[Divine]

Best Goal scoring season ive seen in years was CM97 last season. 64 !

Guess it's now Matthews' 65

 

[BTP]

65, ties Ovis best year ever.

Yeah, if he gets 70 GOALS, and ONLY 2 being an empty net goal - he deserves the Hart - End of story.

Those other guys with their dozens of secondary assists can f*** off.

Laugh emoji reaction if you agree

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Ties Ovechkin's best season. Incredible.

 

[NYR94]

65!

 

[34]

He has already won the Rocket again for the third time in 4 seasons. He is also going to win his second Hart trophy. Epic!

I'd still trade him for McJesus

No need, he is coming home when he is a UFA. Book it.

 

[Martin Skoula]

We could stop at that, but the Leafs players are quick to proclaim that Matthews is the greatest goal scorer the league has ever seen and a future 1000+ goal scorer, which inevitably leads to some heated debate as these claims may be a little bit premature.

Can you show me one post seriously saying he’s going to score 1000+?

 

[Regal]

like Matthew's. both averaging under half goal a game

I would say Stamkos’ have been decently worse though and with a lot more chances. But he also didn’t play much in the playoffs before his injuries. Would have been interesting to see actual peak Stamkos on the 2020-22 Bolts.