Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

nhlfan9191

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Would've had 3 if not for a shortened year

Not like 05-09 was some dead puck era. High scoring league with tons of PP opportunities for the best PP player ever.
The best part of your comment, and every other comment that needs to nit pick a point, is that there was no incorrect comment. Matthews will still have more 60 goal seasons than anyone else since Pavel Bure.
Goal scoring peaked at 3.08 in Ovechkin’s rookie year and went below 3 until 2019, and was well below 3 in most of those seasons. That’s not nit picking unless you want to start comparing Matthews to goal scorers that were scoring 80-90 goals a season in the 80’s because the goals per game in the Gretzky era compared to Matthews 2021-2024 is pretty much as wide as it is Ovechkin’s era.
 

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Would've had 3 if not for a shortened year

Matthews, too. 42 in 56 is likely 60 in an 82 game season

Some posters who look at stats used to argue that season and last season meant Matthews was a 40 goal scorer lmao

Hfboards is hilarious
 

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You don't have to be able to identify specific goals to know that Matthews is benefiting from increased scoring levels.

How does league averages effect individual goal scoring?

Is it magic?

This era adjusting argument takes the worst the NHL product has been (the Crosby Ovechkin era) and uses it as a baseline for ‘level of difficulty’

Instead of just admitting that the era before and the era after are just better
 

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Show me the goals that shouldn’t have counted in 2003
The holes for scoring were smaller before the goalie pad size reductions. For example, goals that went over a goalie’s shoulder and next to his ear were more difficult before. Plus, those that went over the leg pad and under the glove. Add in the five hole. This would be true for all scorers though, so AM would still be the best - in relative terms.
Is stick technology improved? Not too certain on that.
 

nhlfan9191

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How does league averages effect individual goal scoring?

Is it magic?

This era adjusting argument takes the worst the NHL product has been (the Crosby Ovechkin era) and uses it as a baseline for ‘level of difficulty’

Instead of just admitting that the era before and the era after are just better
The era before Crosby/Ovechkin was the dead puck era. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about there. And it’s not magic. Changes to the game over time made scoring both easier or more difficult. Not sure what you don’t get about that.
 

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Goal scoring peaked at 3.08 in Ovechkin’s rookie year and went below 3 until 2019, and was well below 3 in most of those seasons. That’s not nit picking unless you want to start comparing Matthews to goal scorers that were scoring 80-90 goals a season in the 80’s because the goals per game in the Gretzky era compared to Matthews 2021-2024 is pretty much as wide as it is Ovechkin’s era.
Mhm, but still more 60 goal seasons than anyone since Bure. The rest is all feel good pedantic arguments.
 

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The holes for scoring were smaller before the goalie pad size reductions. For example, goals that went over a goalie’s shoulder and next to his ear were more difficult before. Plus, those that went over the leg pad and under the glove. Add in the five hole. This would be true for all scorers though, so AM would still be the best - in relative terms.
Is stick technology improved? Not too certain on that.

It’s impossible to factor in goalie skill, equipment size, power play time, skill of players on the ice, coaching changes, physicality, style of game, etc

It’s a joke to even try. That’s why we have a better system

We count the goals, it takes care of everything.

If Ovechkin scored 60 multiple times, he had that opportunity. No body stopped him, but your argument makes it sound like “if other players scored more, so would Ovechkin have!”

It’s a stupid argument

The era before Crosby/Ovechkin was the dead puck era. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about there. And it’s not magic. Changes to the game over time made scoring both easier or more difficult. Not sure what you don’t get about that.

Scoring doesn’t become ‘easier’ or ‘more difficult’ year on year. Players score more or they don’t.

There isn’t a baseline that we expect the league to score at. Averages go up and down by fractions of a goal year to year.

60 goals has meant 60 goals in 2003, in 1980 and in 2020
 

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It’s impossible to factor in goalie skill, equipment size, power play time, skill of players on the ice, coaching changes, physicality, style of game, etc

It’s a joke to even try. That’s why we have a better system

We count the goals, it takes care of everything.
It's even dumber to ignore those very real factors just because they are hard to quantity. You can perhaps disagree on the actual impact on a scorer like Matthews vs a scorer like Ovechkin, but it's not arguable that it's easier to score goals today than it was in Ovechkin's prime.
 

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Mhm, but still more 60 goal seasons than anyone since Bure. The rest is all feel good pedantic arguments.
Imo it’s a fool’s game to compare across generations. AM is the best goal scorer of his era. OV was the best during his best years.
It’s impossible to factor in goalie skill, equipment size, power play time, skill of players on the ice, coaching changes, physicality, style of game, etc

It’s a joke to even try. That’s why we have a better system

We count the goals, it takes care of everything.

If Ovechkin scored 60 multiple times, he had that opportunity. No body stopped him, but your argument makes it sound like “if other players scored more, so would Ovechkin have!”

It’s a stupid argument



Scoring doesn’t become ‘easier’ or ‘more difficult’ year on year. Players score more or they don’t.

There isn’t a baseline that we expect the league to score at. Averages go up and down by fractions of a goal year to year.

60 goals has meant 60 goals in 2003, in 1980 and in 2020
Understood. 60 goals is a great year in any era. But in the history of nhl scoring (which you include) it’s not anywhere close to what the greatest scorers put up. Maybe it’s okay to suggest AM is the best scorer of this era and leave it at that? Because comparing him to the greatest scorers makes his 60 look kind of out classed.
 

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Even if 60 is the new 50, it’s still very impressive because not everyone is doing it. Right now he’s the best sniper in the NHL. Although Pasta is right there with him, I give a slight edge to Matthews.

None of it really matters if he can’t, or worse, doesn’t want to do it in the playoffs.
 

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I guess that’s why he did last year

But not this year. So sandbagging, right? Same with the other great players like Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Draisaitl that are all way behind him in the goal scoring race. All just mailing it in this year? I mean, it's super easy to score goals now right? Shouldn't the best goal scorers in the game be racking 'em up?
 

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But not this year. So sandbagging, right? Same with the other great players like Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Draisaitl that are all way behind him in the goal scoring race. All just mailing it in this year? I mean, it's super easy to score goals now right? Shouldn't the best goal scorers in the game be racking 'em up?
Not everyone can have career high shooting percentages in the same season. Sam Reinhart has 48 goals.

But yeah, Matthews is very clearly among the best goal scorers of all time. I don't think many people dispute this. That doesn't change the fact that it's easier to score in today's NHL than it was in Ovechkin's prime.
 

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Imo it’s a fool’s game to compare across generations. AM is the best goal scorer of his era. OV was the best during his best years.

Understood. 60 goals is a great year in any era. But in the history of nhl scoring (which you include) it’s not anywhere close to what the greatest scorers put up. Maybe it’s okay to suggest AM is the best scorer of this era and leave it at that? Because comparing him to the greatest scorers makes his 60 look kind of out classed.
I agree. Just the same as it is stupid to argue against it. There’s no way to quantify it, for every argument for, there’s one against. You literally go in a circle.
 
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Also, the first Arizona born player to have 58 shots on goal in the NHL. He makes my state proud!
 

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But not this year. So sandbagging, right? Same with the other great players like Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Draisaitl that are all way behind him in the goal scoring race. All just mailing it in this year? I mean, it's super easy to score goals now right? Shouldn't the best goal scorers in the game be racking 'em up?
Goals carrer highs
This year: Mackinnon , Kucherov. Matthews
Last year : Mackinnon, McDavid, Pastrnak
2 years ago: Draisaitl, Matthews, McDavid
We obviously in high scoring era, nothing debatable about it.
 

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