Mackinnon over Malkin is the most nonsensical take possible. There is literally zero argument for it. Kucherov might have an argument after this year. But most people will still have Malkin ahead
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Mackinnon over Malkin is the most nonsensical take possible. There is literally zero argument for it. Kucherov might have an argument after this year. But most people will still have Malkin ahead
It’s funny how all the fans go after each other as if lifting one player up lowers another. Meanwhile at the ASG it looked like McDavid and Matthews get along quite well. Both push each other and are great for the game. Stuff like defensive play I get the debate but if you’re coming up with a way to discredit Matthews goal scoring that’s you not him
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Matthews is having an Espo kind of scoring season, minus the assists.
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I hate Matthews as much as anyone, but he did have a 100 prs season already
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When we start nitpicking about stuff like that is when we know the player is doing good stuff!
People cherry pick about Ovechkin being good on the PP and shooting a lot, like its not part of the game.
One thing I dont get, is why does Matthews struggle so much in the playoffs if hes so good ar ES? Not being snarky. The argument about Ovechkin being bad in the playoffs usually revolved around not enough PP in rhe playoffs!
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This is more in line with where I would understand why era adjusting would make some sort of sense.
If eras were separated into things like this
World war 2 - obviously different due to men going off to war
Post lockout and pre lockout - again obvious changes and differences here
But not where people take an outlier performance from a random year in 2022 and compare it to an outlier performance in a random year of 2013 (both post lockout) and make arguments based on league averages
The significance of Suter's hit on Gretzky
Gary Suter's hit on Wayne Gretzky is widely considered a watershed moment that forever altered Gretzky's career, basically ending his super-elite production, especially in terms of goal scoring. What is this claim based on? I haven't been able to find a video of the infamous hit. I read...forums.hfboards.com
How many points was Lemieux on pace for before he got Cancer?
His 160 in 60 was amazing, but I'm curious how many he was on pace fore before his diagnosis of cancer?
28 Years ago today, Mario Lemieux returned to play from cancer treatment
Memorable day for 66.
You didn’t answer the question, I’m not reading someone else not answering the question. I want you to answer the question
Also, those articles aren’t written to answer my question
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Mackinnon still has a lot of road left in his career, there won’t be many by the end of it who would take Malkin over Mackinnon, imo
But I think he’s better than Malkin right now anyway
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Like it or not, Crosby and Ovechkin/Malkin created this new era of Hockey. They made others want to train harder / play better. Besides, even if his era sucked, there was still way more physicality / fights to play through compared to now. An invisible stat that shouldn’t be overlooked (goons trying to take your head off every night). Not much of that today. So I’d call it closer to even than you think.
It’s amazing how quick people are to forget once a few new shiny ponies show up. 4 out of 5 Cups between the three of them. How many has Matthews and McDavid won?
By the way, Crosby is still performing quite well in this era. Where’s your answer for that?
Bottom line there was way more toughness and bullying towards rookies in his era. And he absolutely shined.
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Actually, you didn't ask me the question. You asked that question to someone else and I thought I'd be helpful with links that have discussed both items (and have done so in pretty decent detail along with other information that's kind of pertinent to the discussion you were having), but
Maybe learn how to distill information from something that's written, because the answers you're looking for are in all 3 of those threads along with some other information that might be important and it won't take more than about 3 minutes total to find both answers.
Or, quit being lazy and learn how to search on the internet and do your own research.
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Lol the difference in scoring among top scorers between 1992-93 and now is bigger than when Ovechkin had his 65 goals. Like a Matthews season scoring 75 this season would be equivalent to around 90 back then.
Ovechkin had 25% more goals than second and 51% more than 5th. Matthews has 26% more than second, and 39% more than 5th. However, Ovechkin was also 30th in assists while Matthews just barely makes 100th.
Ovechkin spent like 20 more games of ice time on the powerplay. Matthews has almost as many even strength goals as anyone else has total goals, and he scores at a higher rate than Ovechkin on the powerplay and plays a thing called defense at even strength
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Matthews’ season is still ongoing. I would hesitate to call judgment on final statistics versus a work in progress.
What I mean by that is, at a similar point in 2007-2008, this is what it looked like through 60 team games for Ovechkin.
His lead over #2 was 20% and his lead over #5 was 41.
Not too different from Matthews who is partaking in his team’s 60th game as of this posting and has the leads you stated (he has an assist as of now).
As a curio, Ovechkin was 55th in assists on the date of that screenshot (2/19/08). Ultimately the difference between where Matthews is in assists right now in 2024 to being 55th in the league with a quarter of a season to go like Ovechkin of 2007-2008 is a handful (this holds true since a handful less would have Ovechkin barely in the top 100 at that particular time). That’s it.
So, let’s continue to have fun and compare, but also acknowledge that the dust will have to settle on a complete season before drawing any real conclusions.
More powerplays with a lower PP% = higher pp toi, it's quite simple.
Caps had an 18.8% pp, good for 8th.
Leafs have a 28.9% pp, good for 2nd.
The Top pp producer in '08 had 47 in 82 games, in '24, Top guy has 43 in 61 so far.
Ovechkin was the top physical force then, and also a far better playmaker. Ovechkin created space, while Matthew's looks for space.
Matthews is every bit the goal scorer Ovechkin was if not better as a two-way center. That’s good enough for me
And his leafs always win on Saturdays
I find him to be a brat but it could be that he wears a Leafs jersey that clouds my judgement
That is 100% why, don’t know why anyone would describe him as a “brat”
LOL. Maybe in fantasy land.
Ovechkin actually SCORED the goals Matthews is projected to. Ovechkin also was a physical beast who ran guys into the boards.
Matthew is not good defensively. Always late getting back. He's a skating wrist shot. A great one, but that's it. Very one dimensional. As we've seen with his ghost-mode playoff appearances.
How much of that successful Leafs PP can be attributed to Matthews directly? I’d say quite a bit of it.
Matthews is good defensively. However he is always taking the late man when the play rushes back on defense. He plays deep in the offensive zone, but he also just doesn’t have the wheels that someone like McDavid contains, so maybe it doesn’t look like he is hustling back as hard.
Currently, 17 teams have a PP% of 21% or higher. In '08, 2 teams did. PP scoring % changes by era. This years leafs having 10% higher PP than '08 caps, I would attribute it 100% to era.
Though I'd be giving more credit to Nylander, and likely Marner as well for the PP than Matthews.
