It seems extremely plausible and the question is how high will he hit this season?
Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96
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Don't talk to me until he gets back to back to back hat tricks.
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Well we won't have to wait long to find out. Blues Tom at 1pm EST.
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Matthews GPG Playoffs – 2016/17 to 2022/23
All: 0.71, 0.67, 0.57, 0.45, 0.4, 0.14, 0.14
vs Vezina Winners: 0.71, 0.67, 0.57, 0.45, 0.14, 0.14
AVG vs Vezina Winners: 0.44
90% GP vs Vezina winners
Players X, Y, Z GPG Playoffs – 2016/17 to 2022/23
vs Vezina Winners: 0.5, 0.5, 0.33, 0.29, 0,25
AVG vs Vezina Winners: 0.37
16% GP vs Vezina winners
AVG vs non-Vezina: 0.65
Matthews clearly had two bad years. Versus Vezina goalies, he outproduced other players considered star playoff performers. On multiple occasions he topped any of their individual bests. On average, he was 18.9% better than them versus Vezina goalies. Curiously, that’s almost bang on the same percentage he is better than the field in GPG since he started (surely a fluke). They were lights out versus non-Vezina goalies mind you. Maybe one day we’ll find out. All messy and noise filled but apparently important to you.
Haha I saw nearly 15 pages had gone by since I had been active in the thread, so I was in need of an update as well. The fact that we have moved the goal posts is at least progress, and a sign we have reached some sort of consensus which is nice.
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It's only important to me in that this might be one of the worst presentations I've ever seen to support a claim - and I don't just mean on HF.
You don't break out details, you don't explain who X, Y and Z are, you treat "winning a Vezina" as some catch-all, "always a Vezina-caliber player that season and forever and ever, amen" thing, no one has any clue how many games are in each bucket to know whether we're comparing apples to apples or Texas to Rhode Island, ... I know I said "if someone wants to make that claim, present some data" but maybe leave this one to professionals who can do that and make it useful for others to look at and verify themselves if desired, instead of looking like you asked a 4-year old to scribble something on paper and then retyped it verbatim.
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Again, I don’t even care. I didn’t even bring Vezina into it (or how other stars do). If YOU want something analyzed then you need to set the parameters and variables. You don’t need the names or the bias. If being a Vezina goalie means anything (not sure it does), the first three names I pulled (all considered playoff studs) fared worse against Vezina winners. Carries zero scientific validity and I don’t intend to submit it for peer review. Do with it what you will. It is amusing listening to you ramble about the variables as if you are making a point I didn’t already bring up in my post that you quoted. Thanks Sherlock.
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I would love to see him go for Teemu’s 76, grab the highest goal scoring season since 93, and put himself in the top 5 goal scoring seasons all time.
If he scores 80 then he will have peaked as high as anybody to ever do it. Seems unlikely but who knows, any more games against the ducks this year?
Just kidding ducks fans, don’t come at me.
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He scores more goals than anybody but doesn’t score them against good enough goalies…
I love and hate this place.
I love and hate this place.
Haha love it, then you go into other threads and people are level headed about goalies being hot and cold, system dependent, and not worthy of big paydays due to such.
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Funny to see the gymnastics people are going to prove he is a good playoff performer. I still remember the year Plekanec got traded and outscored him in the playoffs. 44 points on 50 playoff games is a big drop from his amazing regular season paces. It's an awesome pace and he's amazing but his production drops in playoffs. He has over 600 points in over 500 regular season games. One is above .ppg and the other isn't.
Last two series have been better though! Maybe he keeps it going this playoffs. Just hope the goalie has never been nominated for a Vezina because that would be unfair lol
Last two series have been better though! Maybe he keeps it going this playoffs. Just hope the goalie has never been nominated for a Vezina because that would be unfair lol
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I can't believe how grossly wrong you are. After you normalize for playing against every goalie who's ever won a Vezina, whether that was in the current year or 20 years ago, and you cross-reference that with a random group of players, and adjust for what everyone else on his roster doesn't do and the crappy goaltending his team has always had and the times where his chi was disrupted because Saturn was in opposition to Aquarius while Mercury and Venus were in retrograde to Scorpio AND discount all those other guys for the advantages they had with all those things, his playoff performances aren't just all-time, all-world great. They're uber-hypergalactic great.
I'm sorry you don't understand, but I made a diagram to help you with that. You're welcome in advance.
[And for the record: I almost could not care less about this playoff performance discussion, but it's amusing - and by that, I mean cringeworthy - the lengths some people are going to defend 22-22-44 in 50 as not just as good as what other all-timers have done in the playoffs, but [far] superior. It ... really is OK to admit "look, he hasn't gotten there, he's got work to do."]
AM34 is the new Ovechkin. Scoring goals are not easy in the NHL and dude’s scoring b2b hattricks and almost scoring a goal a game. Think he will eclipses Ovi’s highest season (65 goals), could potentially touch 70. Insane!
Signed: Jealous Sens fan.
Signed: Jealous Sens fan.
It's funny people talking about playoffs when this post is clearly about back to back hattricks in the regular season.
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Some trivia - Matthews has already recorded six hat tricks this season. The last player to achieve that was Mario Lemieux (in 1996). The last time a player recorded more than six in a season was Alex Mogilny (seven in 1993).
In all of NHL history, only ten times has a player scored more hat tricks in a season than the six that Matthews already has.
In all of NHL history, only ten times has a player scored more hat tricks in a season than the six that Matthews already has.
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But @Despote thinks Stutzle is already just as good, younger, much cheaper and signed for longer. It's impossible to choose Matthews.
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You have a great point and I agree. However, I tuned in at page 23 and was reading a lot about playoffs. Also says 48 goals in 52 games which is more than back to back hattricks. I'm just following along. I actually don't see that many recent mentions on back to back hattricks at all tbh. I see stuff about ovi... Teemu and some amazing research into Vezina goalies.
Nonetheless... you are right and I will post this for you
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